251205 - 05Dec25 session25-49

Parish Online user account management, including the setup of new user roles and access permissions. email services, workspace functionality, and tree mapping capabilities.

Demonstrations of how to add and manage tree data using aerial photography and GPS coordinates. The conversation ended with discussions about data sharing between councils, system upgrades, and the implementation of Parish Online for geographical information management, including the handling of assets and maintenance documentation.

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Presentation:

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Meeting Summary:

Dec 05, 2025 01:58 PM London ID: 897 5877 7706

Quick recap

The meeting began with introductions and discussions about Parish Online user account management, including the setup of new user roles and access permissions. The group explored various features of Parish Online, including email services, workspace functionality, and tree mapping capabilities, with demonstrations of how to add and manage tree data using aerial photography and GPS coordinates. The conversation ended with discussions about data sharing between councils, system upgrades, and the implementation of Parish Online for geographical information management, including the handling of assets and maintenance documentation.

Next steps

• James: Add new user (e.g., Chris Cooper) to Parish Online with "reader" access and update the "department" field as appropriate; consider starting with read-only and upgrading later as needed.

• James: Consider creating a generic read-only account (e.g., "Parish Councillor") for shared bookmarks and access for all councillors.

• James: Contact Ben (Saplings Arbaculture) to confirm if they can provide tree survey data in a format that can be imported into Parish Online, and if possible, arrange for a permanent data link or temporary user access for plotting layers.

• James: Follow up with Eastley Borough Council (using contact who is also a councillor) to request digital asset transfer data and facilitate connection with Parish Online help desk for direct data import, referencing the "Council Data" steps in the Knowledge Base.

• Susan: Check with Parish Online or relevant contacts to confirm that the clerk/admin will have full control over user accounts, passwords, and administration for the new email and workspace services.

• Cathy: Contact Kent County Council (and/or local footpath officer) to request digital public rights of way (PROW) data and/or TPO information for import into Parish Online.

• Cathy: When uploading maintenance manuals, risk assessments, or reports to Parish Online, ensure file names are descriptive and include relevant details (e.g., date) as file names cannot be changed after upload.

Summary

New Participants and User Rights

The meeting began with introductions, including two new participants, Chris and Klaudia, who joined the group. Richard, who was experiencing bandwidth issues, joined with his video off. James expressed interest in exploring the possibility of adding new users and sharing viewing rights without edit permissions. Graham confirmed that these functionalities were possible.

Parish Online User Account Setup

James demonstrated how to create a new user account in Parish Online, starting with Chris Cooper as a reader. Graham explained the different user roles, with readers having read-only access, editors able to make changes but not add new data, and data managers having full access except for billing details. James decided to start Chris as a reader to avoid accidental changes to the data he had carefully entered, with the possibility of upgrading his access later.

Parish Online Account Management

The group discussed Parish Online account management and access levels. Graham advised James on how to modify user permissions and suggested creating a read-only Parish Council account. They also discussed an upcoming parish-wide arboreal survey, with James learning that data from the survey could be directly linked to Parish Online either through the surveyors' own mapping system or by creating a temporary user account. The conversation concluded with Tristram inquiring about the surveyors' credentials, to which James confirmed they were professionals from a company called Saplings Arbaculture.

Parish Online Email and Workspace

The meeting discussed the implementation of Parish Online's email and workspace services by Hickson Parish Council. Susan reported that after 12 months of deliberation, they have finally placed a purchase order for the email service, which Chris confirmed has been running smoothly for a year. The council plans to use the workspace for a central filing system, allowing secure access and sharing of templates for various parish documents. The discussion clarified that while the clerk can request access, the login administration remains under the council's control, hosted on their servers.

User Account Management and Mapping

The group discussed the setup and control of user accounts, with Graham confirming that administrators can manage users independently. They explored the functionality of the workspace, comparing it to Google Docs and noting its integration with Zoho. Susan mentioned their existing use of Parish Online for asset mapping, and Chris recommended the Parish Online website service. Graham suggested using aerial photography for precise mapping of trees, and Chris offered to demonstrate this feature in Parish Online.

Tree Mapping with Parish Online

The group discussed using Parish Online to map and identify trees, with Chris demonstrating how to add tree features and view aerial photography. Susan raised a concern about accurately capturing tree coordinates, particularly when working in the field, and Graham suggested using a smartphone's GPS feature by taking photographs while standing near the trees to capture precise coordinates. Tristram noted that while this method can be accurate, he had experienced some discrepancies of up to 100 meters when plotting tree locations.

Tree Data Management and Mapping

The group discussed tree inspections and data management. Susan explained that they have trees inspected by a consultant, Rob Kiesel, who keeps a database of tree coordinates for those over 15 meters tall. Graham offered to help import this data into Parish Online, which would automatically sync with the consultant's records. James shared that they are having their mature trees surveyed due to legal requirements, and while not every tree will be assessed, their locations will be plotted in Parish Online to create a comprehensive map of all trees within the parish.

Map Asset Transfer Strategy Discussion

James discussed the challenge of transferring variously shaped and aged map assets into Parish Online, noting that the data was currently stored as scanned PDFs. Graham suggested that James contact the Borough Council to access their digital data system, providing a step-by-step guide in the Parish Online Knowledge Base. Graham emphasized the importance of obtaining the data before potential staff changes or devolution could lead to information loss. James acknowledged the potential resistance from the Borough Council but noted their willingness to assist with asset transfers.

Enhancing Data Sharing Collaboration

Graham explained to James that councils often lack awareness about the ease of sharing data, emphasizing that Geosphere can quickly access and provide information with minimal effort. James mentioned having a contact at Eastley Borough Council to potentially facilitate data access. Graham highlighted a successful example in Somerset where a unitary council now freely shares data, illustrating how collaboration and clear communication can lead to better data availability. James acknowledged the potential time-saving benefits of this process and expressed interest in exploring further opportunities.

Parish Online Implementation Strategy

Cathy discussed with Graham and others about implementing Parish Online, a geographical information system for their council. Graham advised Cathy to start by plotting assets like trees, benches, and public rights of way, as this would provide a sense of accomplishment and familiarity with the system. He suggested contacting the county council for existing data on public rights of way and trees with preservation orders, which could be easily imported into Parish Online. Graham also recommended exploring additional resources like Roam Kent for more detailed information on footpaths and features.

Parish Online System Updates

The group discussed Parish Online system features and upgrades, including the ability to attach maintenance manuals and reports to equipment as attachments, with Stuart emphasizing the importance of consistent file naming. Graham explained that Parish Online newsletters provide useful updates and information about system changes, while Chris inquired about tithe plot boundaries and table view upgrades, which Graham clarified were related to improved filtering performance. The conversation ended with a demonstration of the system's enhanced sorting capabilities, which now operates much more quickly than before.

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Chat:

00:28:25 Retired Clerk: Sorry, but our broadband not playing nicely today, we seem to be in the middle of a heavy down pour... I'll try and login to next week's meeting

01:03:37 Susan McKeown: Have a good Christmas, see you all next year.

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Audio-transcript (for AI search indexing):

63 00:05:21.270 --> 00:05:31.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, well, you and Klaudia: Goodday - are both relative newcomers, so you get the choice of saying if there's anything that you came on to particularly discuss.

64 00:05:33.340 --> 00:05:38.720 James Franklin: Yes, I came on… Specifically for…

65 00:05:39.280 --> 00:05:43.209 James Franklin: Having a look at adding new users, or…

66 00:05:43.930 --> 00:05:53.040 James Franklin: Being able to potentially share viewing rights to things where they can't make edits?

67 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:55.409 Graham Stoddart-Stones: All that is possible, yes.

68 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:01.710 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, let me just check with Klaudia while she's there. Klaudia, do you have anything specific you'd like to cover?

69 00:06:01.930 --> 00:06:11.320 Klaudia Pietrusiewicz: To be honest, this is my first time, so I just joined to listen and learn, so I don't have anything specific at this moment.

70 00:06:11.890 --> 00:06:15.329 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Have you even seen Parish online? You have had a chance to look at it?

71 00:06:15.330 --> 00:06:19.000 Klaudia Pietrusiewicz: Yes, I do, yes. I can log in. I was doing some…

72 00:06:19.190 --> 00:06:23.799 Klaudia Pietrusiewicz: bits, some bits, I would say, but I'm not a professional, let's say, so I'm just…

73 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:25.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, fine.

74 00:06:25.630 --> 00:06:31.839 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, let's go with James, then. James, are you in a position to A get into Paris Online, and B share your screen?

75 00:06:32.030 --> 00:06:32.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Please?

76 00:06:32.630 --> 00:06:34.410 James Franklin: Yes, bear with me one second.

77 00:06:34.410 --> 00:06:35.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

78 00:06:36.310 --> 00:06:37.170 James Franklin: I've been…

79 00:06:37.630 --> 00:06:43.569 James Franklin: demoted to the committee room, so I'm now on a computer that's got my screens in a different.

80 00:06:43.570 --> 00:06:47.949 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, you've got somebody on the naughty step, naughty step behind your right corner and right shoulder.

81 00:06:48.910 --> 00:06:49.490 James Franklin: Oh.

82 00:06:49.490 --> 00:06:51.059 Graham Stoddart-Stones: She's looking very dejected.

83 00:06:51.460 --> 00:06:52.510 James Franklin: Swear off.

84 00:06:52.770 --> 00:06:54.990 James Franklin: A lady who looks after our finance.

85 00:06:55.620 --> 00:06:58.019 James Franklin: Works, and she's an avid knitter.

86 00:06:58.480 --> 00:06:59.390 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, right.

87 00:06:59.390 --> 00:07:03.559 James Franklin: Many knitted things. Right. That's Parish Online.

88 00:07:04.290 --> 00:07:08.279 James Franklin: Now, is it gonna let me share the screen that is not…

89 00:07:09.100 --> 00:07:09.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Shit.

90 00:07:09.550 --> 00:07:10.960 James Franklin: this screen.

91 00:07:12.470 --> 00:07:16.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, you need to go to your Zoom screen to share. Yeah.

92 00:07:17.170 --> 00:07:21.820 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if you put your mouse on the middle of the bottom line, it turns into a green button.

93 00:07:23.730 --> 00:07:24.400 James Franklin: Shuh…

94 00:07:26.230 --> 00:07:26.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you click on.

95 00:07:26.910 --> 00:07:27.440 James Franklin: Huh.

96 00:07:27.440 --> 00:07:31.099 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then it tells you what you'd like to share, and you click on that and share again.

97 00:07:31.150 --> 00:07:33.899 James Franklin: There we go, I think I'm sharing screen 1.

98 00:07:34.490 --> 00:07:35.150 Chris Edwards: For real.

99 00:07:35.150 --> 00:07:36.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yup, yep, we can see it.

100 00:07:37.070 --> 00:07:45.049 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, if, in terms of users, if you want to go up to the cogwheel in the top right corner, and click on Administration.

101 00:07:45.050 --> 00:07:47.569 James Franklin: Oh, and that was a Christmas tree. Christmas mount.

102 00:07:47.570 --> 00:07:49.709 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, I thought that's very smart, isn't he?

103 00:07:49.710 --> 00:07:51.380 James Franklin: I noticed the Christmas time.

104 00:07:51.380 --> 00:07:54.930 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if you go over to the left-hand column, you've got users.

105 00:07:57.050 --> 00:07:58.060 James Franklin: users.

106 00:07:58.060 --> 00:08:02.699 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, and you've already got the admin, I take it as you, because you've been.

107 00:08:02.820 --> 00:08:08.110 James Franklin: Yeah, I was provided with a login and a password when I started, and I went, off you go.

108 00:08:08.740 --> 00:08:16.309 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, in order to add a new user, you can click on the plus sign at the top of the middle column.

109 00:08:16.310 --> 00:08:17.349 James Franklin: This one just here.

110 00:08:17.350 --> 00:08:21.730 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then, all the red boxes, you absolutely have to put something into.

111 00:08:22.490 --> 00:08:23.330 James Franklin: Okay.

112 00:08:23.770 --> 00:08:30.850 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you can just, as far as a username, you can just put Fred, or Sheila, or something, or you can put Clark, or…

113 00:08:31.020 --> 00:08:36.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Lynxman, whatever it happens to be. So it's either their name or their activity.

114 00:08:36.860 --> 00:08:41.840 James Franklin: I'm just gonna trial one now, because I know our chairperson…

115 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.309 James Franklin: has requested something, so I'm gonna add…

116 00:08:45.680 --> 00:08:49.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you… if you put him in his chair, then when he gets…

117 00:08:49.470 --> 00:08:54.089 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Moved on and somebody else comes in. They can still use the same, login.

118 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:58.470 James Franklin: Well, I would do that, except everyone at Botley has a specific…

119 00:09:00.060 --> 00:09:08.160 James Franklin: So, their email is their name at… Botley, so if…

120 00:09:08.710 --> 00:09:13.170 James Franklin: He moves on, whoever replaces him will have a different…

121 00:09:13.170 --> 00:09:13.620 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the editor.

122 00:09:13.620 --> 00:09:16.859 James Franklin: Email, different login information.

123 00:09:17.950 --> 00:09:23.389 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, you can always… you can leave it at the same position as chair, and no matter, that's fine.

124 00:09:23.760 --> 00:09:27.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, so he logs in as Chris, and his name is presumably Chris, first name.

125 00:09:28.270 --> 00:09:28.860 James Franklin: Yep.

126 00:09:39.340 --> 00:09:41.840 James Franklin: So then, I should be able to…

127 00:09:42.570 --> 00:09:48.090 Graham Stoddart-Stones: QBChris.cooper at… Botley.co.uk or .gov.uk or something.

128 00:09:48.090 --> 00:09:49.230 James Franklin: Oh, we've got…

129 00:09:50.180 --> 00:09:57.310 James Franklin: Someone in their infinite wisdom decided that it was a good idea to put a little dashy hyphen thing in the middle of our email.

130 00:09:57.490 --> 00:10:00.990 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Every time. On the school?

131 00:10:01.520 --> 00:10:03.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You may have too many cases.

132 00:10:03.350 --> 00:10:04.679 James Franklin: It's a one of those.

133 00:10:05.180 --> 00:10:07.329 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You may have too many Ks in Cooper.

134 00:10:08.690 --> 00:10:12.200 James Franklin: I have… Exactly, too many Ks.

135 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:26.180 James Franklin: Right.

136 00:10:26.430 --> 00:10:31.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, this is the interesting bit, the question about whether they could read only or not. So if you click on that one…

137 00:10:32.030 --> 00:10:40.560 Graham Stoddart-Stones: then a reader is exactly what it says it is. He can just, read and do nothing else, can't make any changes, but can see everything.

138 00:10:40.920 --> 00:10:45.309 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's a good one to be for anybody you don't expect to be putting data in.

139 00:10:46.270 --> 00:10:54.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones: An editor is somebody who can make changes to something that's already there, but he can't add a new layer of any sort.

140 00:10:54.250 --> 00:11:03.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones: To do that, you need to be a data manager, and the data manager can do everything except look at what your next bill is going to be.

141 00:11:04.110 --> 00:11:04.590 James Franklin: Okay.

142 00:11:04.590 --> 00:11:17.279 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I've never worked… oh, and also cannot add new users, so the admin at the bottom can do the whole lot, and the data manager can do everything that the admin can do, except add new users, and…

143 00:11:17.570 --> 00:11:18.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Look at the bidding.

144 00:11:19.790 --> 00:11:25.830 Graham Stoddart-Stones: details. So, I would start with Mr. Cooper, perhaps. She wants to be a reader, does he?

145 00:11:25.830 --> 00:11:27.430 tristram cary: No, he wants to be an editor, I think.

146 00:11:27.430 --> 00:11:28.250 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, right.

147 00:11:28.950 --> 00:11:29.580 tristram cary: Should be…

148 00:11:29.580 --> 00:11:31.080 James Franklin: He'd like to be an editor.

149 00:11:31.470 --> 00:11:37.920 James Franklin: However, I've spent a lot of man-hours communicating our parish online.

150 00:11:37.920 --> 00:11:39.030 tristram cary: Okay.

151 00:11:39.030 --> 00:11:40.669 James Franklin: everyone didn't mess it up.

152 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:47.039 James Franklin: he may… I might… so I could come and change this at a later date. Of course you can.

153 00:11:47.040 --> 00:11:47.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes.

154 00:11:47.950 --> 00:11:49.979 James Franklin: So if I start with a reader.

155 00:11:49.980 --> 00:11:50.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

156 00:11:50.930 --> 00:11:56.190 James Franklin: Until I find out exactly what he wants to do, because actually what he wants to do might… I don't want him…

157 00:11:57.680 --> 00:12:02.899 James Franklin: sounds mean, but I don't want to allow people access for them to undo the things that I've spent hours doing.

158 00:12:02.900 --> 00:12:04.499 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, that's true.

159 00:12:04.500 --> 00:12:05.580 James Franklin: And until then…

160 00:12:05.580 --> 00:12:09.170 Graham Stoddart-Stones: reasonable position, James, until they're a bit more familiar with the product.

161 00:12:09.170 --> 00:12:09.710 James Franklin: Yeah.

162 00:12:09.830 --> 00:12:12.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones: This way, there's no way they can do accidents.

163 00:12:13.050 --> 00:12:15.650 James Franklin: So I'm assuming it's just to create a user, and then…

164 00:12:15.650 --> 00:12:16.090 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes.

165 00:12:16.090 --> 00:12:17.110 James Franklin: Away we go.

166 00:12:17.110 --> 00:12:21.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, well, you want to ask him if you want to send him an email, which you do, really, so yes.

167 00:12:21.150 --> 00:12:21.930 James Franklin: We're going.

168 00:12:22.110 --> 00:12:26.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright. Is he the only one, or do you want to carry on with somebody else whilst we're here?

169 00:12:27.210 --> 00:12:28.910 James Franklin: Oh, he's the only one for now.

170 00:12:28.910 --> 00:12:29.590 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay.

171 00:12:29.590 --> 00:12:32.499 James Franklin: I'm assuming as soon as Chris gets access, though, and…

172 00:12:32.760 --> 00:12:39.599 James Franklin: the birds start singing. There'll be lots of other people that seem to want to be interested that currently aren't.

173 00:12:40.780 --> 00:12:46.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, and there are… there are a couple of things to bear in mind when creating users, so…

174 00:12:46.890 --> 00:12:51.880 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because there is a facility in Paris Online called Bookmarks.

175 00:12:52.000 --> 00:13:03.250 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which is a very good way of storing the details for any one particular product. You know, it saves the right number of layers, it saves the right zoom in, it saves the right scroll, so it's very convenient.

176 00:13:03.590 --> 00:13:05.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But bookmarks can…

177 00:13:05.210 --> 00:13:16.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: only be used by the person who logged into them. So, the way I get around that, so that everybody can see the bookmarks, is to create a generic account called something like Parish Councillor.

178 00:13:16.260 --> 00:13:25.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then anybody who's a parish councillor can come in and use the system and see the bookmarks that we've created for them.

179 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:25.909 James Franklin: Oh, okay.

180 00:13:25.910 --> 00:13:35.590 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's… so you might want to consider, just think about whether you want to have an all-singing, all-dancing account called Parish Council or something, which lets everybody in.

181 00:13:36.040 --> 00:13:41.410 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you can just make that a read-only as well. So I just throw that at you for the moment.

182 00:13:41.410 --> 00:13:48.389 James Franklin: So, how would I… say I want to modify Chris to upgrade his type from Green Day.

183 00:13:48.400 --> 00:13:53.569 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Click on his name to highlight it. Yeah. And then go up into… to click on it?

184 00:13:53.570 --> 00:13:55.010 Susan McKeown: I'm lying.

185 00:13:55.010 --> 00:13:58.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then if you look at the top right corner, you've got a little pencil There you go.

186 00:13:58.680 --> 00:13:59.950 Susan McKeown: That's me.

187 00:13:59.950 --> 00:14:00.600 James Franklin: And then I can…

188 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:01.990 Susan McKeown: background. Oh.

189 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.049 Susan McKeown: I put that background on.

190 00:14:04.400 --> 00:14:06.940 Susan McKeown: How do I get a pack of some feet?

191 00:14:08.110 --> 00:14:10.820 James Franklin: And I can change that. Oh, fantastic. Okay.

192 00:14:10.820 --> 00:14:12.060 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright? Yeah.

193 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:17.940 Chris Edwards: James, just one little thing. If you look at the middle column.

194 00:14:18.190 --> 00:14:20.830 Chris Edwards: It says the word department.

195 00:14:21.090 --> 00:14:21.780 James Franklin: Yes.

196 00:14:21.780 --> 00:14:27.790 Chris Edwards: It might help by saying, Councillor, or clerk, or whatever.

197 00:14:28.400 --> 00:14:31.190 James Franklin: Oh, putting in a responsibility title.

198 00:14:31.400 --> 00:14:31.860 Chris Edwards: Total.

199 00:14:31.860 --> 00:14:33.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's true.

200 00:14:33.010 --> 00:14:33.770 James Franklin: Okay.

201 00:14:36.040 --> 00:14:36.800 James Franklin: Okay.

202 00:14:36.800 --> 00:14:41.679 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you wanted to put against… you might put against Chris that he's a chairperson, for instance.

203 00:14:44.190 --> 00:14:45.700 James Franklin: Yeah, spare with me.

204 00:14:46.110 --> 00:14:51.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, if you go up to his pencil again, and click on it…

205 00:14:52.500 --> 00:14:55.059 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You can change his department to read chair.

206 00:14:58.810 --> 00:15:01.379 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, perfect. Okay, there you go.

207 00:15:02.110 --> 00:15:03.150 James Franklin: Marvelous.

208 00:15:03.650 --> 00:15:04.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes.

209 00:15:04.030 --> 00:15:07.230 James Franklin: My other question would be, we have…

210 00:15:07.410 --> 00:15:21.869 James Franklin: Now, I don't have any details to be able to set this person up yet, but we're having a parish-wide arboreal survey done, and as part of that arboreal survey quote, they've suggested they can plot everything

211 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:25.750 James Franklin: that they are doing on a layer for Parish Online.

212 00:15:25.750 --> 00:15:26.480 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Perfect.

213 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:37.390 James Franklin: do I need to give them access to my parish online for them to create a layer in here, or can they create a layer and then it be added to my parish online?

214 00:15:37.970 --> 00:15:42.330 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I imagine they're using a mapping system themselves, aren't they?

215 00:15:44.180 --> 00:15:47.249 James Franklin: I have no idea, I've just spoken to Ben.

216 00:15:47.250 --> 00:15:58.729 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There are two, yes, there are two ways around that. You can, if they're using their own mapping system, when then they've got all the details in it, you can ask them to get in touch with the

217 00:15:58.920 --> 00:16:03.169 Graham Stoddart-Stones: a Parish Online Help Desk, and they will just whiz the data in for you.

218 00:16:03.550 --> 00:16:04.180 James Franklin: Okay.

219 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:14.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because that keeps them out of your system. If they want to actually create the layer in Paris Online themselves, then, yeah, you can just create a temporary user for them.

220 00:16:14.940 --> 00:16:16.400 James Franklin: So that was kind of… so…

221 00:16:16.580 --> 00:16:24.480 James Franklin: if they've got that data link… if they're using their own mapping software and they have a data link with Parish Online, if they then

222 00:16:25.010 --> 00:16:29.829 James Franklin: For argument's sake, in two years' time, do another survey for me and update that data.

223 00:16:29.830 --> 00:16:32.249 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Will that just update the current…

224 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:33.810 James Franklin: layer I have.

225 00:16:33.980 --> 00:16:39.419 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If… yes, if they agree to have, Geosphere set it up as a permanent link, then yes.

226 00:16:39.420 --> 00:16:40.150 James Franklin: Okay, fantastic.

227 00:16:40.150 --> 00:16:48.869 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which is very nice, but it's very… that's how many of the layers in Paris Online do work, so you find that they're all being updated on a regular basis.

228 00:16:49.190 --> 00:16:49.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Without you.

229 00:16:49.860 --> 00:16:51.540 James Franklin: It's a really quick way to,

230 00:16:51.670 --> 00:16:55.820 James Franklin: It's a really quick way for him to win a contract, because I don't want to plot everything in front of them.

231 00:16:55.820 --> 00:17:02.569 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, that's a very good idea. Let me just say good afternoon to Susan, nice for you to join us.

232 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:04.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And… just…

233 00:17:04.910 --> 00:17:07.370 tristram cary: James, I just wanted to follow up.

234 00:17:07.780 --> 00:17:16.959 tristram cary: Are the people doing the tree survey professionals? Or might they… they are. They do it. Do you know who they… do you know what they're called?

235 00:17:18.250 --> 00:17:20.910 James Franklin: Bear with me one second.

236 00:17:22.300 --> 00:17:27.120 James Franklin: Oi… I definitely have emailed.

237 00:17:28.460 --> 00:17:33.650 James Franklin: Ben yesterday, so I'm sure he's got information on his email.

238 00:17:39.630 --> 00:17:41.699 James Franklin: Saplings Arbiculture.

239 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:43.250 tristram cary: Set things.

240 00:17:43.450 --> 00:17:45.950 James Franklin: Yeah, the fellow's called Ben Abbott.

241 00:17:47.710 --> 00:17:48.699 tristram cary: Okay, thanks.

242 00:17:50.490 --> 00:17:52.049 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Susan, good day to you.

243 00:17:53.650 --> 00:17:54.690 tristram cary: Sorry?

244 00:17:54.690 --> 00:17:59.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I was just talking, or trying to talk to Susan, but she's not listening or hearing.

245 00:17:59.990 --> 00:18:00.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you.

246 00:18:00.630 --> 00:18:05.099 Susan McKeown: Hello, sorry, Graham, sorry, I was letting Tristan.

247 00:18:05.810 --> 00:18:06.679 tristram cary: Thank you, I've done…

248 00:18:07.430 --> 00:18:08.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay.

249 00:18:08.540 --> 00:18:10.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm nothing like his polite.

250 00:18:12.500 --> 00:18:16.950 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Susan, I just want to check if you came in for a particular question to be answered.

251 00:18:17.410 --> 00:18:28.700 Susan McKeown: No, no, I've just realized that I haven't been with you for some time, so I was just checking in to see how everybody is, and just to inform you that,

252 00:18:28.940 --> 00:18:35.969 Susan McKeown: Hickson Barish Council has finally got over the line to… Have,

253 00:18:36.130 --> 00:18:41.320 Susan McKeown: Pash Online email service and workspace.

254 00:18:41.700 --> 00:18:42.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right?

255 00:18:43.130 --> 00:18:43.930 Graham Stoddart-Stones: for you.

256 00:18:44.190 --> 00:18:49.259 Susan McKeown: Yeah? But we'll see. It's early days yet, we haven't moved everything over, but…

257 00:18:49.260 --> 00:18:58.589 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just so that you're aware, Chris Edwards, who's online, is a user of the mail service, and actually the website service, so…

258 00:18:59.130 --> 00:19:03.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You can always chat to him and find out what he thinks it really is like.

259 00:19:03.210 --> 00:19:04.659 Susan McKeown: Alright, okay.

260 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:05.460 Chris Edwards: We've been.

261 00:19:05.460 --> 00:19:06.829 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So moving on then, James.

262 00:19:06.830 --> 00:19:07.780 Chris Edwards: service.

263 00:19:07.910 --> 00:19:09.960 Chris Edwards: For a year now.

264 00:19:12.030 --> 00:19:20.079 Chris Edwards: Yeah, we would recommend that as our email service. So, you know, good luck when you join up.

265 00:19:20.610 --> 00:19:38.780 Susan McKeown: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, we've sent a purchase order, so we've started the book. We've gone through 12 months of, sort of, as it does with parish councils, dizzard along and, you know, not, well, shall we do it, shan't we do it, shall we get another pricing? Anyway, finally, finally, we've got the,

266 00:19:39.140 --> 00:19:47.850 Susan McKeown: a purchase order out to, Parish Online, and I saw Chris at, Utoxita the other day.

267 00:19:48.020 --> 00:19:49.069 Susan McKeown: He was there.

268 00:19:49.180 --> 00:19:58.189 Susan McKeown: doing something for the, Suffordshire Parish Council Association. I think he was doing a demo for them. So, that was good.

269 00:19:59.460 --> 00:19:59.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good.

270 00:19:59.810 --> 00:20:02.160 Chris Edwards: You mentioned the word workspace.

271 00:20:02.600 --> 00:20:03.420 Susan McKeown: Yes.

272 00:20:04.590 --> 00:20:09.740 Chris Edwards: that I'm… I'm familiar with the word workspace, but what is workspace? Could you.

273 00:20:09.740 --> 00:20:13.799 Susan McKeown: Right, work… yeah, workspace, what we've wanted for some time.

274 00:20:14.070 --> 00:20:18.680 Susan McKeown: Is a, central filing system.

275 00:20:19.530 --> 00:20:20.110 Chris Edwards: Yep.

276 00:20:20.390 --> 00:20:28.109 Susan McKeown: So, all… because, as you know, with parish councils, with smaller ones, somebody's… the class got the information on…

277 00:20:28.790 --> 00:20:33.160 Susan McKeown: their PC, but it's not,

278 00:20:33.560 --> 00:20:40.130 Susan McKeown: been able to see by everyone. So, what we've thought was it would be good to have

279 00:20:40.780 --> 00:20:43.709 Susan McKeown: You know, this central filing system.

280 00:20:43.950 --> 00:21:03.910 Susan McKeown: And you can also do, like, in certain areas, you can say, only the clerk can change these things, but you could view them, so let's sort of that. And what we wanted to do also is put templates up there as well, like templates for, parish meetings, minutes.

281 00:21:04.090 --> 00:21:19.470 Susan McKeown: Purchase orders, invoices, all that kind of stuff. So, we've got templates up there that people can just pick them up and use them. Not necessarily invoices, but you know what I mean. So, templates and all our other information that we've got.

282 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.869 Susan McKeown: So that's what we've been looking for for quite some time.

283 00:21:24.220 --> 00:21:41.989 Susan McKeown: And when Chris was saying that this is what service they could offer, we thought, yeah, that's great. We haven't gone yet for the website, because we've still got up with Staffordshire County Council, and I didn't want to put everything in one basket at the minute.

284 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:42.980 Chris Edwards: Yeah.

285 00:21:42.990 --> 00:21:52.039 Susan McKeown: So, we are going for this, let's say the emails, and you say that it works, it works fine.

286 00:21:52.560 --> 00:22:00.450 Susan McKeown: and also the workspace. Can I just ask you one question about, then, the, Emails.

287 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:05.389 Chris Edwards: Obviously, who's the administrator for giving,

288 00:22:05.770 --> 00:22:06.930 Susan McKeown: Passwords.

289 00:22:07.870 --> 00:22:09.559 Chris Edwards: Well, that's normally the clerk.

290 00:22:09.560 --> 00:22:12.430 Susan McKeown: It is the clerk. Asks? Who asks?

291 00:22:12.610 --> 00:22:16.820 Susan McKeown: But the administrator of it is Parish Online, I would imagine.

292 00:22:18.060 --> 00:22:18.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, you're.

293 00:22:18.700 --> 00:22:19.360 Susan McKeown: Mark will ask.

294 00:22:19.360 --> 00:22:21.880 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You administer your own copy.

295 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:23.839 Susan McKeown: The clerk will ask.

296 00:22:24.620 --> 00:22:33.499 Susan McKeown: But it… I think, is it not, Pash Online, who look after the login, the passwords? I know you have your own passwords.

297 00:22:33.500 --> 00:22:35.650 tristram cary: They didn't set them there, Susan.

298 00:22:35.800 --> 00:22:36.220 Susan McKeown: Yes.

299 00:22:36.220 --> 00:22:38.550 tristram cary: I think they're under your control.

300 00:22:38.850 --> 00:22:44.390 tristram cary: quite where they are physically, I… I don't know, but it might be on… it might be on…

301 00:22:44.430 --> 00:22:47.659 Graham Stoddart-Stones: GSVS servers, servers, or something.

302 00:22:47.710 --> 00:22:52.229 tristram cary: But I don't think so, I think it's all… all… Yours, I thought.

303 00:22:52.300 --> 00:22:52.850 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It is.

304 00:22:52.850 --> 00:23:04.729 Susan McKeown: Okay, well, this is one of the questions I'm… so you're saying it could be something like Paris Online that you just showed us there, where you can set up your own users and control it in that way? Is that what you're saying?

305 00:23:04.730 --> 00:23:06.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, exactly. Yes.

306 00:23:06.790 --> 00:23:10.020 Susan McKeown: Okay, so it's not… it's under the control of…

307 00:23:10.260 --> 00:23:22.700 Susan McKeown: the par… yeah, the clerk, or whoever is the administrator. Okay, but I'll… I'll certainly check that one out if that's what you're saying, or, I mean, it would… would seem…

308 00:23:22.870 --> 00:23:25.650 Susan McKeown: the right way, but I'll check it out.

309 00:23:25.790 --> 00:23:39.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I have a question for Christian. Is the workspace is… is it a bit like Google Docs? You can do multiple users in a document at the same time? Yeah, I don't use Google Docs much, but yes, I'm… I'm completely the wrong person to ask, but yes, that's.

310 00:23:39.370 --> 00:23:40.120 tristram cary: Anyway…

311 00:23:40.120 --> 00:23:56.699 Graham Stoddart-Stones: strikes me as an obvious choice, but it's a fabulously useful facility if you're working online or not with other people. And there are a lot of tools, too, to help with all sorts of things, and calendars and setting up meetings and stuff, so it's very… it seems very rich.

312 00:23:56.840 --> 00:23:59.659 tristram cary: Again, since if you're due to it, I do suggest you…

313 00:23:59.660 --> 00:24:00.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There you go.

314 00:24:00.020 --> 00:24:11.549 tristram cary: think about training, or… I think there are a lot of e… there's a lot of videos and guides about how to do things. But when it's been presented to me, I thought, it's very rich, but it must be quite difficult to get your… get a handle on.

315 00:24:12.600 --> 00:24:17.499 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It is, Rich, but just, it's just a, your white-label copy of Zoho.

316 00:24:17.510 --> 00:24:18.710 tristram cary: Yeah, exactly.

317 00:24:19.600 --> 00:24:21.469 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, so…

318 00:24:21.470 --> 00:24:22.110 Chris Edwards: Sorry. I'm sorry.

319 00:24:22.110 --> 00:24:24.239 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, yours now, go back to you.

320 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:30.069 Chris Edwards: Susan, just a bit of information. Our parish council,

321 00:24:30.320 --> 00:24:34.169 Chris Edwards: have gone in with the Parish Online website service.

322 00:24:34.300 --> 00:24:38.369 Chris Edwards: And it's… it's a very good service, so I'd recommend.

323 00:24:38.970 --> 00:24:49.359 Susan McKeown: Yeah, we've got perish online for, you know, what you're just setting up there. We've had that for some time, you know, where you can plot your assets on. We've had that.

324 00:24:49.470 --> 00:25:04.520 Susan McKeown: for quite some time, but it's these extra services that they were offering that we would like to take advantage of, which we are now. If you like, every now and again, I'll pop into this

325 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:08.660 Susan McKeown: Group, and let you know where we're getting on.

326 00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:09.840 tristram cary: Thank you.

327 00:25:09.840 --> 00:25:10.560 Chris Edwards: Oh, yeah.

328 00:25:10.750 --> 00:25:12.350 Susan McKeown: Thank you.

329 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:25.330 Susan McKeown: A question about… when you're saying about trees, because we've plotted all our trees on Parish Online, on the assets part of it, but we did it by…

330 00:25:25.430 --> 00:25:29.569 Susan McKeown: Well, I did it, by just guessing where the trees were.

331 00:25:30.540 --> 00:25:36.029 Susan McKeown: You know, a good, a good guess, a good estimate, but not precise.

332 00:25:36.250 --> 00:25:39.360 Susan McKeown: Are you saying we can do it precisely now?

333 00:25:39.810 --> 00:25:44.539 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The precise way to do it is to use the aerial photography. Susan, are you familiar with that?

334 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:46.029 Susan McKeown: No.

335 00:25:46.490 --> 00:25:47.080 tristram cary: And I'm sure.

336 00:25:47.080 --> 00:25:50.909 Susan McKeown: You probably told me before, aerial photography.

337 00:25:51.260 --> 00:25:56.600 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, so have you got a parish online there? And James, are we stuck in the middle of something for you?

338 00:25:59.700 --> 00:26:02.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, I was just talking to James, who we were being.

339 00:26:02.130 --> 00:26:02.640 Susan McKeown: Oh, rightly.

340 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:07.200 Graham Stoddart-Stones: in the middle of working with him, and then things broke off. I want to make sure he doesn't feel left out.

341 00:26:08.330 --> 00:26:10.539 James Franklin: Oh, no, I'm just… I'm… I'm fine.

342 00:26:10.840 --> 00:26:13.190 James Franklin: Okay, so… I'm just… Listen.

343 00:26:13.190 --> 00:26:14.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let me go.

344 00:26:15.010 --> 00:26:15.930 Graham Stoddart-Stones: He ate…

345 00:26:15.930 --> 00:26:23.719 James Franklin: I'm coming up with a question currently, but I'm just trying to see if I can work out what I'm doing before I ask that question, but carry on, carry on, I'll come back to you.

346 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.820 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you in Paris Online?

347 00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:31.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Susan?

348 00:26:31.570 --> 00:26:35.260 Susan McKeown: Sorry, yeah, sorry, would you repeat, sorry.

349 00:26:36.100 --> 00:26:37.840 Susan McKeown: Am I in post online now? Yes.

350 00:26:37.840 --> 00:26:38.800 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you running it?

351 00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:41.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, would you like to?

352 00:26:42.670 --> 00:26:55.039 Susan McKeown: If you could just share it on your screen, where, where, where I go, to aerial view and whatever to do it, that would be good. If somebody else wants… I don't want to take up any space, or…

353 00:26:55.040 --> 00:26:57.400 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Chris, is that something you'd like to have a go at?

354 00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:00.010 Chris Edwards: Yes, I can, do that, yep.

355 00:27:00.730 --> 00:27:01.700 Susan McKeown: Thank you.

356 00:27:01.700 --> 00:27:05.239 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just… So I can attack my coffee with gusto.

357 00:27:06.980 --> 00:27:08.639 Chris Edwards: So, here we go.

358 00:27:09.010 --> 00:27:10.780 Chris Edwards: This is our little parish.

359 00:27:11.040 --> 00:27:16.620 Chris Edwards: Somewhere, I have got… Trees…

360 00:27:17.420 --> 00:27:18.070 Susan McKeown: Yeah.

361 00:27:18.070 --> 00:27:19.210 Chris Edwards: If you see tree.

362 00:27:19.210 --> 00:27:20.020 tristram cary: Pretty easy.

363 00:27:20.020 --> 00:27:21.160 Susan McKeown: Yep, yep, yep.

364 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.369 Chris Edwards: Okay, so for instance, if I zoom in…

365 00:27:26.330 --> 00:27:30.579 Chris Edwards: I've listed the principal trees in our central area here.

366 00:27:30.940 --> 00:27:34.010 Chris Edwards: And, let's go into this.

367 00:27:34.430 --> 00:27:47.289 Chris Edwards: we've got a group of 6 trees here, so if you click on each one, it comes… oh, yeah, it comes up with the tree ID, what the variety is, and when it was planted, and so on.

368 00:27:47.460 --> 00:27:51.169 Chris Edwards: Anyway, just going back to the…

369 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:56.970 Chris Edwards: aerial photography. If you look on the left-hand side, aerial photography.

370 00:27:56.970 --> 00:27:58.500 Susan McKeown: Yeah, yeah, got it, yep.

371 00:27:58.500 --> 00:28:02.949 Chris Edwards: Click on that. Click on the next one down, which is the latest version.

372 00:28:03.130 --> 00:28:04.310 Susan McKeown: Okay, yep.

373 00:28:04.760 --> 00:28:07.039 Chris Edwards: And hey, presto, you could actually see

374 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:14.670 Chris Edwards: the aerial shot. So, to look at that more closely, go back to the Ordnance Survey PSGA,

375 00:28:15.020 --> 00:28:18.049 Chris Edwards: And let's turn down…

376 00:28:20.800 --> 00:28:28.029 Chris Edwards: that almost nothing. So you can see, here's a couple of houses, here's a house.

377 00:28:28.590 --> 00:28:29.010 Susan McKeown: Yeah.

378 00:28:29.010 --> 00:28:36.289 Chris Edwards: And this helps you enormously with looking to see where the trees are. I'm going to zoom out a bit more.

379 00:28:36.990 --> 00:28:41.680 Chris Edwards: So, here's the church. There's obviously a few mature trees here.

380 00:28:41.850 --> 00:28:48.750 Chris Edwards: But at least, you could actually pinpoint with the coordinates that…

381 00:28:49.280 --> 00:28:55.940 Chris Edwards: They… the positioning of that exact tree, and that tree, and… this tree.

382 00:28:56.390 --> 00:28:59.109 Chris Edwards: So it's very easy to build up a location.

383 00:28:59.110 --> 00:28:59.640 Susan McKeown: Hmm.

384 00:29:00.030 --> 00:29:09.319 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just as an example to show people, Chris, could you go into your trees layer and just add a feature temporarily and put in that big tree next to the church?

385 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:27.880 Susan McKeown: I mean, I get all of that, what I think, because I've got them on page online, but it's the exact position. I thought you'd said something where you can actually say you've got something on your phone, you could say, this is the exact position.

386 00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:32.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, yeah, let's get that to… let's let Chris do his bit for the moment.

387 00:29:32.790 --> 00:29:37.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So he's… Gonna choose a tree and add it.

388 00:29:37.210 --> 00:29:42.890 Chris Edwards: So I'm just going to go back. I've gone down to my tree layer, For example.

389 00:29:43.180 --> 00:29:46.069 Chris Edwards: the cogwheel, I go to add a feature.

390 00:29:46.070 --> 00:29:46.860 Susan McKeown: Yep.

391 00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:53.320 Chris Edwards: And then, I can put tree ID, a… fees.

392 00:29:53.320 --> 00:29:54.799 Susan McKeown: Yeah, I've got… yep.

393 00:29:54.970 --> 00:30:01.870 Chris Edwards: And I can click on that tree there, And save it.

394 00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:03.220 Susan McKeown: Yes.

395 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:12.170 Susan McKeown: I've done that, but what I think you might be missing. What I was saying is putting it in the exact position, like, giving it coordinates.

396 00:30:12.170 --> 00:30:19.319 Chris Edwards: Yes, I'm looking at the bottom of my screen. I thought, let me just get rid of that.

397 00:30:24.790 --> 00:30:29.809 Chris Edwards: Unfortunately, I've… I can't see the coordinates at the bottom of my…

398 00:30:29.970 --> 00:30:33.710 Chris Edwards: Parish Online screen, because I'm screen sharing.

399 00:30:34.060 --> 00:30:43.120 Chris Edwards: But at the bottom, I'm sure that you'll be able to get the coordinates. Graham, can you see coordinates?

400 00:30:43.320 --> 00:30:45.179 Chris Edwards: Because I'm… you're not screwed up.

401 00:30:45.180 --> 00:30:45.980 Graham Stoddart-Stones: true moon's.

402 00:30:45.980 --> 00:30:46.589 Chris Edwards: be sharing.

403 00:30:46.590 --> 00:30:49.429 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Can you move your mouse over one of the trees, Chris?

404 00:30:50.590 --> 00:30:51.180 Chris Edwards: Yeah.

405 00:30:52.060 --> 00:30:54.239 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There it is. So.

406 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:57.050 tristram cary: No, one of the trees you've actually put in, I think.

407 00:30:57.050 --> 00:31:01.520 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, no, but if you… where his mouse is, is the precise location of the tree.

408 00:31:01.710 --> 00:31:02.650 tristram cary: Okay.

409 00:31:02.650 --> 00:31:06.869 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, and those coordinates are down the bottom, Susan, if you wanted them.

410 00:31:06.870 --> 00:31:11.190 Susan McKeown: Yeah, that's… but that's because the coordinates are in, you know…

411 00:31:11.620 --> 00:31:19.680 Susan McKeown: I was probably not explaining myself. When I'm… I've done all that, and it does show coordinates on it.

412 00:31:19.820 --> 00:31:31.369 Susan McKeown: But that's only where I've estimated to put the tree. What I'm trying to think, is there a way that you can be out in the field and say, right.

413 00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:45.390 Susan McKeown: click, this is where this tree is, and this is the proper coordinates, because when I put the trees on, I've sort of, as you said, I've tried to guess them as accurately as can, and it does provide coordinates, but they're not the true coordinates.

414 00:31:45.580 --> 00:31:47.720 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, there is a facility…

415 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:48.360 James Franklin: Cool.

416 00:31:48.630 --> 00:31:52.390 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There is a facility in your, telephone.

417 00:31:52.580 --> 00:31:56.560 Graham Stoddart-Stones: for showing your GPS coordinate of where you're standing. So if you'.

418 00:31:56.560 --> 00:31:57.600 Susan McKeown: Alright.

419 00:31:57.600 --> 00:31:59.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You're standing right in front of a tree.

420 00:32:00.100 --> 00:32:02.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then you can get the coordinates of the tree.

421 00:32:03.040 --> 00:32:11.340 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the simplest thing to do is to take a photograph, and make sure you've got store coordinates set as one of the settings on your camera.

422 00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:16.389 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then each picture you have of each tree will have the coordinates for it.

423 00:32:16.390 --> 00:32:18.630 tristram cary: Of where you're standing, love the corners of where you're standing.

424 00:32:18.630 --> 00:32:27.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's what I'm saying, she can just… she can stand next to the tree and take a wonderful picture of the bark, or something. Yep. The closer you stand to the tree, the more accurate.

425 00:32:27.050 --> 00:32:27.580 Susan McKeown: Okay.

426 00:32:27.850 --> 00:32:41.550 tristram cary: But I tell you, I just want to say, I tried to do that in our parish, and I took photographs of trees and stood under them, and when I plotted them out, they weren't at all accurate, and they were up to, I think, about 100 yards, 100 meters out, sometimes.

427 00:32:41.550 --> 00:32:44.210 Susan McKeown: A lot, isn't it? Yeah. 100 meters is a lot.

428 00:32:44.210 --> 00:32:45.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You have a very cheap phone.

429 00:32:46.470 --> 00:32:46.830 tristram cary: Hi, dude.

430 00:32:46.830 --> 00:33:01.840 Susan McKeown: I'm just asking, I've got them on, and I've got the trees on, and we also have them inspected by a consultant, Rob Kiesel, which is local to our area.

431 00:33:02.220 --> 00:33:21.370 Susan McKeown: And they do… but they've also got a database that they keep the information in. I suppose we might look at if… because they will have… they have the facility to put the coordinates in of the trees that we want. We only have trees inspected that are over, 15 meters high.

432 00:33:22.300 --> 00:33:23.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's Susan.

433 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.330 Susan McKeown: So we don't have all the trees inspected.

434 00:33:25.860 --> 00:33:28.229 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's very easy for…

435 00:33:28.310 --> 00:33:47.609 Graham Stoddart-Stones: parish online to import data into your parish layer for you, which contains the tree ID plus the coordinates of where it is. So if your consultants or your tree people have already got that information, then they should just export it to you.

436 00:33:47.610 --> 00:33:53.060 Susan McKeown: Okay, okay, and every time they do an inspect… because we're on their second inspection now.

437 00:33:53.360 --> 00:33:59.029 Susan McKeown: We try to get them to come out every 3 years. So, yeah, okay.

438 00:33:59.030 --> 00:34:06.969 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Before you arrived, we were having the conversation with James about sharing data with his tree surgeons and so forth.

439 00:34:07.210 --> 00:34:08.899 Susan McKeown: Alright, yeah, that's why I picked it up.

440 00:34:08.900 --> 00:34:19.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's very simple to have the information linked between their computers and Parish Online, so that whenever they make a change to their record of your tree, it updates.

441 00:34:20.219 --> 00:34:21.799 Graham Stoddart-Stones: copy of Bash online.

442 00:34:21.799 --> 00:34:22.469 Susan McKeown: Yes.

443 00:34:22.469 --> 00:34:31.179 James Franklin: That's exactly why we're going for that service. We're having our mature trees surveyed

444 00:34:31.809 --> 00:34:37.859 James Franklin: Because of a legal requirement, but as they're doing that, we're asking them, or we're paying them, to plot

445 00:34:38.409 --> 00:34:41.159 James Franklin: every other tree as well, so…

446 00:34:41.409 --> 00:34:47.359 James Franklin: Effectively, if you looked at our parish online, it would be a plot of every single

447 00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:51.379 James Franklin: tree that stands in Botley, and they're going to every location in the parish.

448 00:34:51.689 --> 00:34:55.199 James Franklin: So, oh, sorry, everything that we are responsible for within.

449 00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:56.809 Susan McKeown: Yeah.

450 00:34:57.980 --> 00:35:00.819 James Franklin: So they may not be doing a survey on a younger tree, but they're going to.

451 00:35:00.820 --> 00:35:19.650 Susan McKeown: Yeah, and we haven't got them to do every tree, because there's quite a lot, but we did make a distinction. We wanted to have a look at the ones that were either 15 meters tall, or were next to a property, where if there was any, you know, damage, so that's how, you know.

452 00:35:19.650 --> 00:35:20.250 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's smooth.

453 00:35:20.250 --> 00:35:21.500 Susan McKeown: remake food.

454 00:35:21.500 --> 00:35:29.870 James Franklin: Yeah, I completely agree with you on that reasoning, but as they're doing the survey, they're not assessing every tree we have, they're just

455 00:35:30.080 --> 00:35:33.190 James Franklin: Plotting the location of every tree there is.

456 00:35:33.610 --> 00:35:33.990 Susan McKeown: Maybe.

457 00:35:33.990 --> 00:35:37.680 James Franklin: assessing 30% of the trees, but they're going to log

458 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.619 James Franklin: the data for 100% of freeze, so then that I can see everything on Parish Online.

459 00:35:42.620 --> 00:35:43.840 Susan McKeown: Yeah, yeah.

460 00:35:44.540 --> 00:35:52.400 Chris Edwards: I'll stop sharing in a second, but, just moving on from trees, speed indicator devices.

461 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:53.690 Susan McKeown: Oh, yes.

462 00:35:53.690 --> 00:36:02.500 Chris Edwards: Think, if I click… on table view, Somewhere, yeah.

463 00:36:02.500 --> 00:36:04.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Roll to the right. Yep.

464 00:36:04.650 --> 00:36:06.039 Chris Edwards: There would be…

465 00:36:06.040 --> 00:36:06.940 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There you go.

466 00:36:11.100 --> 00:36:13.090 tristram cary: Yeah, there you are, going around.

467 00:36:13.090 --> 00:36:13.639 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Dental X.

468 00:36:13.640 --> 00:36:15.939 Chris Edwards: So you could do that for trees, of course.

469 00:36:16.270 --> 00:36:16.880 Susan McKeown: Yeah.

470 00:36:17.350 --> 00:36:18.090 Susan McKeown: Yeah.

471 00:36:18.610 --> 00:36:24.020 Chris Edwards: Yeah, okay, so let me just close that down, and I'll stop sharing.

472 00:36:26.220 --> 00:36:26.980 Susan McKeown: Thank you.

473 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:27.950 Chris Edwards: Pleasure.

474 00:36:28.700 --> 00:36:32.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, let's come back to you, James. You said you were plotting another question.

475 00:36:35.210 --> 00:36:38.410 James Franklin: So, it's, it's not.

476 00:36:38.720 --> 00:36:44.569 James Franklin: really a question. I've… so we're going through quite a lot of asset transfer currently.

477 00:36:44.740 --> 00:36:53.200 James Franklin: And I've… received from the local borough council that… local borough council that should…

478 00:36:53.590 --> 00:36:56.219 James Franklin: Be no more in 2028.

479 00:36:56.710 --> 00:37:01.350 James Franklin: All the red line drawings of assets that are to be transferred.

480 00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:20.949 James Franklin: I wanted to know if there was a… so they don't have data to share with me, I wanted to know if there was a simpler way of adding these into Paris Online. I don't think there will be, it's just… and they're all across different varieties and ages of maps, and weird things from the land registry, and…

481 00:37:21.080 --> 00:37:25.209 James Franklin: I'm looking at one at the moment that's just a drawing, I think.

482 00:37:25.430 --> 00:37:30.609 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But do they have these, stored digitally, or are they stored as,

483 00:37:30.610 --> 00:37:32.850 James Franklin: Oh, these look like they're scanned.

484 00:37:33.250 --> 00:37:35.759 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right. From a hard copy.

485 00:37:36.260 --> 00:37:43.959 James Franklin: But they're all… There's a majority of what I'd call, like, green finger areas, they're not…

486 00:37:44.580 --> 00:37:53.909 James Franklin: a nice rectangular playing field, it's little silly bits of verge, and… and they're just gonna be a massive…

487 00:37:54.230 --> 00:38:05.799 James Franklin: palava to try and input it into… because I've made, in my parish layers, asset transfer phase one, two, and three layers to start putting them onto it.

488 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:06.340 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

489 00:38:06.340 --> 00:38:10.600 James Franklin: they're just really funny shapes, and I wanted to know if there was an easier way of doing it, but I don't…

490 00:38:10.600 --> 00:38:25.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There is a much easier way of doing it. So, the chances are very strong, I'm going to make a sort of a sweeping statement here, James, but the chances are very strong that there is a computer system at your borough council level where they are storing this data.

491 00:38:25.720 --> 00:38:26.380 James Franklin: Yes.

492 00:38:26.380 --> 00:38:34.249 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it's literally a piece of cake to get that data out of their system into yours without you having to lift a finger.

493 00:38:35.110 --> 00:38:43.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay. And the step to go is, if you go up to your help menu in Parish Online.

494 00:38:44.140 --> 00:38:44.940 James Franklin: Yes.

495 00:38:45.450 --> 00:38:47.800 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and click on Knowledge Base.

496 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:48.480 James Franklin: Yes.

497 00:38:48.660 --> 00:38:51.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and type in the words Council Data.

498 00:38:58.620 --> 00:39:00.269 Susan McKeown: Repeat that again, please.

499 00:39:00.950 --> 00:39:03.730 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, go into the knowledge base, Susan, which is under.

500 00:39:03.730 --> 00:39:04.770 Susan McKeown: Oh, yes, yes, no.

501 00:39:04.770 --> 00:39:05.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do you think?

502 00:39:06.020 --> 00:39:06.570 Susan McKeown: Yep.

503 00:39:06.940 --> 00:39:09.639 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Type in the words Council Data.

504 00:39:10.190 --> 00:39:10.650 James Franklin: Yep.

505 00:39:10.650 --> 00:39:29.540 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And what it gives you is a whole set of steps to follow to make it very much easier and faster for Parish Online to get the data for you. So, the first thing that's really crucial is to establish the name of the person that they need to be talking to at the Borough Council level.

506 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:30.400 James Franklin: Okay.

507 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:36.940 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and then just put them in touch with each other, and Geosphere will bring the data down to your parish layers.

508 00:39:37.340 --> 00:39:50.819 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it saves you the most enormous amount of time, because instead of you having to plot, 500 little verges and pieces of grass, which are all different shapes, they just stick it straight into Paris Online for you, and they're already there.

509 00:39:51.370 --> 00:39:51.990 James Franklin: Okay.

510 00:39:51.990 --> 00:39:52.600 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And…

511 00:39:52.770 --> 00:40:03.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It would be very unusual and very 19th century for Botley Borough Council to not have a computer system that's got this data stored in it.

512 00:40:03.680 --> 00:40:04.509 James Franklin: Like, I suppose.

513 00:40:04.510 --> 00:40:05.060 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Can't believe it.

514 00:40:05.060 --> 00:40:06.670 James Franklin: East, it's East Ibarican.

515 00:40:06.670 --> 00:40:08.139 tristram cary: East New York, yeah.

516 00:40:08.140 --> 00:40:08.800 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, well…

517 00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:15.950 James Franklin: I'm sure they must have something, but what I've received is… 6 PDFs with a little…

518 00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, and the reason for that is that most

519 00:40:20.050 --> 00:40:29.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Councils above the parish and town level have got no concept of you having what's known as a geographical information system that can cope.

520 00:40:29.730 --> 00:40:46.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, the vast majority of questions they get have to be answered by sending people pieces of paper. Yeah. The word hasn't got through yet on a global level that parish councils who are using something like Parish Online can cope with all the data that they've got.

521 00:40:46.580 --> 00:40:56.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the easiest way for them to give you the information is digitally, but they're not aware of that. So you need to make them aware of the fact that you've got

522 00:40:56.110 --> 00:41:05.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: a geographical information system, a GIS, is the vernacular to use, and that all they need to do is to get in touch

523 00:41:05.290 --> 00:41:11.219 Graham Stoddart-Stones: or you to put them in touch with Parish Online's help desk, and it'll go… they'll go from there.

524 00:41:11.980 --> 00:41:13.529 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, marvellous, I will…

525 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:16.840 tristram cary: I think it's very generous of you to say that they're

526 00:41:17.070 --> 00:41:25.230 tristram cary: they want to help, and they just don't realize. It also happens that they sometimes don't want to help very much, because they don't like the idea of parishes doing things.

527 00:41:25.230 --> 00:41:25.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But they're all.

528 00:41:25.580 --> 00:41:27.660 tristram cary: So you might get some resistance.

529 00:41:29.460 --> 00:41:35.199 James Franklin: My experience with Eastleigh hasn't been massively they want to help, but with the unification of

530 00:41:35.430 --> 00:41:37.759 James Franklin: government, I think they are…

531 00:41:38.540 --> 00:41:47.049 James Franklin: They're keen for the asset transfers to go ahead, so I think if they can provide something that will help us do that.

532 00:41:47.200 --> 00:41:50.790 James Franklin: then… Oh, they're only scratching their own back, aren't they?

533 00:41:50.790 --> 00:41:57.449 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The other thing is, with all this devolution, the evidence is extremely clear that a lot of information is going to get lost.

534 00:41:57.690 --> 00:41:58.220 James Franklin: Yes.

535 00:41:58.220 --> 00:42:08.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The corporate knowledge of where the information is stored, and who put it there, and how it got there is going to disappear as people get fired, or they move to different job.

536 00:42:08.550 --> 00:42:20.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: whatever it happens to be. So, it's really a huge advantage to you if you can get the data out to you now, before the person who runs it disappears.

537 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:21.070 Susan McKeown: Yes.

538 00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:22.850 Susan McKeown: Good advice.

539 00:42:22.850 --> 00:42:31.199 Graham Stoddart-Stones: going to be a major issue over the next 2 or 3 years, and the best solution is to get the data into Paris Online, now, whilst you can.

540 00:42:31.710 --> 00:42:38.280 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the… the other thing, if you're having trouble getting information out of the Council.

541 00:42:38.300 --> 00:42:54.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones: then you might wish, and this is sort of more or less a last resort, you might wish to go to the person there who's got a job title, something like Head of Customer Service, or Client Relationship Manager, or something like that, because they have got

542 00:42:54.160 --> 00:43:01.820 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the clout. They've been given the authority to bash heads together to give you the information that you want, because guess what? You are their customer.

543 00:43:01.820 --> 00:43:05.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they are obliged to give you the service that you're asking for.

544 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:12.210 James Franklin: Well, I'm quite lucky that someone links with our council is a councillor at Eastleighborough Council, so hopefully I can…

545 00:43:13.560 --> 00:43:16.830 James Franklin: Backdoor, and bend his ear and find out how to get that going.

546 00:43:17.490 --> 00:43:33.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I think that, I think, to be fair to most councils, it's a matter of ignorance and lack of education rather than bloody-mindedness. I mean, I agree with you, there are some councils which are totally bloody-minded from the top down. It's sort of a…

547 00:43:33.570 --> 00:43:44.709 Graham Stoddart-Stones: throughout the whole corporation is. There's no reason to help people, but I think a lot of them are getting the message, and a lot of them just don't know that you can take the data off their hands.

548 00:43:44.710 --> 00:43:47.489 James Franklin: I'm sure the process isn't that painful for them, is it?

549 00:43:47.900 --> 00:44:03.460 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's not painful at all. It's mind-bogglingly fast. It's literally just a few seconds of Geosphere's time. Once they know where to go, and they've been given the authorization to go there… I mean, I have actually been on a…

550 00:44:03.600 --> 00:44:06.129 Graham Stoddart-Stones: A call with one of the engineers at…

551 00:44:06.160 --> 00:44:24.159 Graham Stoddart-Stones: parish online, where I said, I'm desperate to get information out of the Isle of Wight Parish Council, and he said, well, what do you want? And I said, well, the footpaths would be golly good. And he said, do you mean these? And there they appeared on my screen, literally within a couple of seconds. It was extraordinary. So, it's not hard…

552 00:44:24.220 --> 00:44:29.990 Graham Stoddart-Stones: For them to do, and bearing in mind that they do this every day of the year, they're very good at it.

553 00:44:29.990 --> 00:44:45.990 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they… it's… you get all sorts of excuses from the council, like, well, we'd love to help you, but we don't have the manpower, we don't have the time, we don't have the resources, and we certainly don't have the money. To which you retort, it doesn't cost you anything, Geosphere do all the work, and they do it for free.

554 00:44:46.640 --> 00:44:55.819 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, they don't have really any leg to stand on, but they're not aware they don't have a leg to stand on until you make it clear that you're not taking no for an answer.

555 00:44:56.110 --> 00:45:02.120 James Franklin: Well, definitely as part of this, asset transfer business, would make…

556 00:45:02.370 --> 00:45:05.750 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I would suggest a good 40% of my life easier.

557 00:45:06.740 --> 00:45:12.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, it saves you a huge amount of time. There's no point in you duplicating work that somebody else did 5 years ago.

558 00:45:12.890 --> 00:45:21.419 James Franklin: Yeah, there's a lot of weirdness that I'm definitely not going to be able to get out of, but creating maps is one of the things that I'd happily let them…

559 00:45:21.560 --> 00:45:22.820 James Franklin: Get me out, so…

560 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, we do have an example,

561 00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:35.149 Graham Stoddart-Stones: in Somerset, went from being a county council with five divisions, or sort of district councils, to being a unitary.

562 00:45:35.150 --> 00:45:55.859 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And by huge good fortune, the guy who'd been in charge of one of the GIS sections became the head of GIS in the new council, and we managed to, sort of, gang up on him to the point where he started issuing data, and now you almost can't stop him. They're pouring data out, which is wonderful.

563 00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:09.569 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, I mean, the classic example was, all the parish councils were asked if they take over bin collection, and they're emptying, and they all said, so where are these bins? And no one would tell them. But now, they're…

564 00:46:09.680 --> 00:46:20.460 Graham Stoddart-Stones: awash in information about where every bin in the country is, in summers, which is wonderfully helpful, because the data is all there somewhere, it just needs to be got out.

565 00:46:20.570 --> 00:46:27.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you need to bash people's head to get the information out, because they're not familiar with the fact that you can take it in the form that they've got it.

566 00:46:28.790 --> 00:46:47.290 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes. And then they think, because they're used to IT departments who move at rather less speed than most glaciers, they think it'll take forever to get the answer out, and the answer is that if Geosphere do it for you, it'll take literally no more than a second or two. It's quite extraordinary.

567 00:46:48.080 --> 00:46:50.060 James Franklin: Marvellous. Well, we'll look into that, and…

568 00:46:50.060 --> 00:47:03.490 Graham Stoddart-Stones: do take that away, because that's going to save you literally thousands of hours of work. It definitely feels like a Monday morning sort of job. So, is there anything else you need to see, James?

569 00:47:03.490 --> 00:47:09.270 James Franklin: No, that's all my questions answered for today. Thank you for your time, and…

570 00:47:09.470 --> 00:47:12.720 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that's the wrong answer, because now I've got to think up something to say.

571 00:47:12.720 --> 00:47:13.330 James Franklin: Wow.

572 00:47:14.190 --> 00:47:14.620 tristram cary: Mmm.

573 00:47:14.620 --> 00:47:18.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Klaudia, nothing has occurred to you yet that you want to see, particularly.

574 00:47:19.470 --> 00:47:29.820 Klaudia Pietrusiewicz: No, thank you, I think I'm fine, but I learned a bit. No, honestly, I learned a bit, which I wasn't aware about, so it was very useful, I must admit, so…

575 00:47:30.040 --> 00:47:30.930 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

576 00:47:30.930 --> 00:47:35.220 Klaudia Pietrusiewicz: Next time, I'm gonna prepare some questions for the next time, so…

577 00:47:35.220 --> 00:47:37.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Look, Kathy's arrived. Good day, Kathy!

578 00:47:37.950 --> 00:47:38.560 Cathy Wynne: Hello.

579 00:47:39.460 --> 00:47:40.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nice to see you, or hear you, Lee.

580 00:47:41.100 --> 00:47:41.910 Cathy Wynne: Yes.

581 00:47:42.890 --> 00:47:43.810 Cathy Wynne: I,

582 00:47:44.700 --> 00:47:51.820 Cathy Wynne: Didn't arrive right at the beginning, but I caught up with you while you were talking about the trees, which was interesting.

583 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.410 Cathy Wynne: Great, just so to put you in the picture, Graeme, Noah.

584 00:47:55.690 --> 00:48:01.829 Cathy Wynne: Our council haven't yet got a Parrot Online site, but we're looking at it, to…

585 00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:05.230 Cathy Wynne: As something to invest in in the near future.

586 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:16.550 Cathy Wynne: kind of gave me a little demonstration the other day, and of course, after the demonstration, there was a few little queries, questions, so I thought I'd pop…

587 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:20.290 Cathy Wynne: pop in when I could today, and see if,

588 00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:26.229 Cathy Wynne: they either come up, or I could ask them. One very, very simple question.

589 00:48:26.510 --> 00:48:32.000 Cathy Wynne: Which you must all know, is if we've got the system, is there a limit on the number of users?

590 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:33.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yo.

591 00:48:34.540 --> 00:48:38.570 Cathy Wynne: No, good. I didn't think you'd said there was, but that's,

592 00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:48.510 Cathy Wynne: Feeding back, really, from your experience of when you first took this on, What is the,

593 00:48:49.810 --> 00:48:54.080 Cathy Wynne: How is the best way to actually start putting in your information?

594 00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.589 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It all depends what information you want to put in, but…

595 00:48:58.590 --> 00:48:59.219 Cathy Wynne: As much.

596 00:48:59.220 --> 00:49:13.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: By far the simplest solution is to take the really superb set of training lessons that somebody somewhere gives you. But apart from that, it really is just a matter of working out which ones you want to do first.

597 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:14.100 tristram cary: That's funny.

598 00:49:14.100 --> 00:49:16.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because they all have a different way of dealing with them.

599 00:49:17.890 --> 00:49:19.079 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I find that…

600 00:49:19.340 --> 00:49:27.850 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's a learning curve to Paris Online, which is quite steep for the first couple of hours, but once you've got the hang of it, it then becomes very intuitive.

601 00:49:28.040 --> 00:49:46.730 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the knowledge base, as I think I pointed out to you on Wednesday, is a very good one. So, most of the information that you need to know, if you can't find it instantly, is in the knowledge base. And if you can't find it there, then a ticket to the support desk will usually give you the answer very quickly.

602 00:49:47.130 --> 00:49:47.830 Cathy Wynne: Vista.

603 00:49:47.830 --> 00:49:52.800 tristram cary: Isn't it also true that the most important thing is to plot the assets?

604 00:49:53.130 --> 00:50:01.419 tristram cary: So I'd suggest you go through all your assets, and trees, and signposts, or benches, or whatever it is, and…

605 00:50:01.540 --> 00:50:03.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Put your data into those layers.

606 00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.019 Cathy Wynne: I mean, that's really what I was wondering.

607 00:50:07.700 --> 00:50:18.659 Cathy Wynne: Where do you start? Yes, where do you start? There's so much to put on, which is… which is the most… which, from your experience, is the most logical place to start. So, yes, the assets, the…

608 00:50:19.490 --> 00:50:22.950 Cathy Wynne: limited building, the… the land we…

609 00:50:22.950 --> 00:50:24.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think one of the…

610 00:50:24.740 --> 00:50:25.090 Cathy Wynne: kind.

611 00:50:25.090 --> 00:50:43.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which gives you the confidence level, is to plot either your allotments or your graveyard or cemetery, because the overhead photography shows you where everything is, and it's a piece of cake, and very rewarding to just put a dot on each one, and then say, here we are, we've got everything.

612 00:50:44.240 --> 00:50:47.110 Cathy Wynne: They are actually two things we don't actually have.

613 00:50:47.640 --> 00:50:49.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No one dies in your negligence?

614 00:50:49.870 --> 00:50:56.859 Cathy Wynne: Well, the local church maintains the Glebe field and the churchyard, so it's not a parish.

615 00:50:58.300 --> 00:51:00.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And nobody digits for victory.

616 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:02.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It'll work.

617 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:05.799 Cathy Wynne: Well, we have allotments, but again, it's a private organization that

618 00:51:06.150 --> 00:51:11.039 Cathy Wynne: opened up land for it, rather than the parish council. We have a lot of woodland.

619 00:51:11.290 --> 00:51:16.879 Cathy Wynne: which were maintained, which at the moment, with the ash dieback, is… because that's how I was interested in the trees.

620 00:51:18.940 --> 00:51:23.280 Cathy Wynne: And also a lot of, hedgerows, trees with…

621 00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.399 Cathy Wynne: preservation orders on. So, I mean, that's…

622 00:51:26.900 --> 00:51:31.089 Cathy Wynne: Which ones have and which haven't is, something that we…

623 00:51:31.090 --> 00:51:34.800 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, going back to your next layer of government up.

624 00:51:34.990 --> 00:51:43.929 Graham Stoddart-Stones: your district council, or your county council, or your unitary, depending on which you are, will almost certainly have the TPO information.

625 00:51:43.930 --> 00:51:45.330 Cathy Wynne: And, yes, hopefully.

626 00:51:45.330 --> 00:51:48.710 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Digital form, and they should be able to export it to you.

627 00:51:48.710 --> 00:51:49.489 Cathy Wynne: As a hope.

628 00:51:49.490 --> 00:51:53.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Easily and very quickly, and it's going to save you a ton of time and work.

629 00:51:53.510 --> 00:51:54.220 Cathy Wynne: Yes.

630 00:51:54.220 --> 00:51:59.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it's always much better if someone else has already done the work, for you just to have it slipped in.

631 00:51:59.830 --> 00:52:01.150 Cathy Wynne: Indeed.

632 00:52:01.150 --> 00:52:03.710 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Reservation orders is an obvious one.

633 00:52:03.710 --> 00:52:04.960 Cathy Wynne: Yes, yeah.

634 00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:06.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: They're easy, and they're very useful.

635 00:52:06.810 --> 00:52:10.750 Cathy Wynne: Cool. And the same, would that be, our local

636 00:52:11.270 --> 00:52:15.840 Cathy Wynne: County Council, maintain the public footpaths and things.

637 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:16.500 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Thank you.

638 00:52:16.500 --> 00:52:19.910 Cathy Wynne: They call them public rights of way. Yes, yes.

639 00:52:19.910 --> 00:52:21.219 Graham Stoddart-Stones: P-R-O-W that you.

640 00:52:21.220 --> 00:52:21.870 Cathy Wynne: Yes.

641 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:23.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You're in Kent, aren't you?

642 00:52:23.890 --> 00:52:24.530 Cathy Wynne: Yes.

643 00:52:25.300 --> 00:52:31.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I don't know how good Kent is. I think we looked through your layers and couldn't see anything from Kent, could we?

644 00:52:31.710 --> 00:52:40.160 Cathy Wynne: No, no, he couldn't. All you could see was the flooding, which tends to cover a great swathe.

645 00:52:42.160 --> 00:52:57.839 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it's really worthwhile, you having the same issue that James has got, you need to educate the County Council that you've got a geographical information system, and you need the information that they've got, and the public rights-of-way, the footpaths, is a wonderful place to start.

646 00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:58.660 Cathy Wynne: Yeah.

647 00:52:58.660 --> 00:53:02.769 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because they show up brilliantly on the parish online.

648 00:53:03.810 --> 00:53:08.480 Cathy Wynne: So I thought it might be one of the easiest ones if we could import it, and it'd all be there.

649 00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:18.830 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It is, and usually the council people have a footpath officer, so most councils I know have a footpath, so it's easy to identify the guy that you want to talk to.

650 00:53:18.830 --> 00:53:28.779 Cathy Wynne: Yes, yes, we've been in touch with him recently. Maintenance, just because there's been complaints about maintenance of a style, which is probably why it's in my mind at the moment.

651 00:53:28.990 --> 00:53:30.319 Cathy Wynne: But.

652 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:54.959 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's also… there are two forms of information. So, there's the, county council, or whatever records they've got, and they've got the public rights-of-way information, but then a lot of councils have something called Rome, so roam.kent is a good thing for you to put into Google and see what comes up with, but they often have very much more detailed information on the footpaths. So, what the county council keep

653 00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:57.139 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's just where the footpaths are.

654 00:53:57.140 --> 00:54:02.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But the roam.kent, or explore.kent is the other name for it.

655 00:54:02.610 --> 00:54:11.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Tends to keep details of every style, every bridge, every gate, and you can identify those.

656 00:54:11.580 --> 00:54:20.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It sometimes can be very disappointing to look at them, because you see the last time they were looked at was somewhere last century, but they do at least have the information.

657 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:21.520 Cathy Wynne: Yes.

658 00:54:21.730 --> 00:54:31.020 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I know in Somerset it's called explorer.sumerset or roam.somerset, and I think it's sort of more or less the same across each county.

659 00:54:31.020 --> 00:54:31.520 Cathy Wynne: Okay.

660 00:54:31.520 --> 00:54:44.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So it's… that's much more detailed information, and depending on how your council has been set up, they may or may not have anything whatsoever to do with the county council. It might be an entirely separate organization.

661 00:54:44.730 --> 00:54:45.160 Cathy Wynne: Yeah.

662 00:54:45.160 --> 00:54:47.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But it's worth checking out both.

663 00:54:47.230 --> 00:54:48.390 Cathy Wynne: Indeed.

664 00:54:48.390 --> 00:54:50.609 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Council will definitely have your footpath information.

665 00:54:50.610 --> 00:54:51.620 Cathy Wynne: else, yeah.

666 00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:55.130 Cathy Wynne: When you were talking about assets,

667 00:54:56.710 --> 00:55:05.780 Cathy Wynne: We maintain or have two particular buildings. Sorry, the play equipment. We have them on two different sites.

668 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:14.390 Cathy Wynne: Can you, within the layers, You mentioned about,

669 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:24.920 Cathy Wynne: keeping copies of risk assessments and things like that. But also, different pieces of equipment have different maintenance manuals. Can that all be layered in on those little.

670 00:55:25.410 --> 00:55:29.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, you can… We reference to it. …add them as attachments to each one.

671 00:55:29.780 --> 00:55:30.190 Cathy Wynne: them as a.

672 00:55:30.190 --> 00:55:36.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Each swing, each roundabout, each slide, whatever it is, can have its own document attached to it.

673 00:55:36.600 --> 00:55:42.470 Cathy Wynne: With maintenance manuals, and also then… When they've had.

674 00:55:42.680 --> 00:55:53.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: work done on them. Maintenance done, yes. Well, there's usually a maintenance report, isn't there? Yeah. You can put the report there, which is wonderful for giving you a track record of what's happened over the years.

675 00:55:53.030 --> 00:55:54.110 Cathy Wynne: Yes, yes.

676 00:55:54.710 --> 00:56:09.479 Stuart Bacon: The important thing with doing that is just the way you store the file name when you first put it in, because the file name can't be amended when you attach it afterwards. So you've got to save it… you've got to save it as the,

677 00:56:09.940 --> 00:56:24.409 Stuart Bacon: maintenance log, or whatever, with a date to it, if that's what you're uploading, or if you're, sort of, putting in, sort of the manual, then just the instruction manual for installation, or whatever, for that piece of kit, yeah.

678 00:56:24.750 --> 00:56:25.590 Cathy Wynne: Okay, so…

679 00:56:25.590 --> 00:56:26.610 Stuart Bacon: That's the following.

680 00:56:27.030 --> 00:56:41.250 Cathy Wynne: Yes, that's useful to note. We've got to think about the name before we put it in, because you can't alter it. To make it consistent over the years, if you could look back later, isn't it? You need the description.

681 00:56:41.410 --> 00:56:44.350 Cathy Wynne: To be very clear what it is. Yeah, thanks.

682 00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:48.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nice to have you with us, Stuart. Good day.

683 00:56:49.450 --> 00:56:52.609 Stuart Bacon: Good day. Sorry, I've been,

684 00:56:54.200 --> 00:57:00.679 Stuart Bacon: I've been remotely listening to most of the session, but dealing with the burial at the same time, so, yeah, sorry about that.

685 00:57:00.680 --> 00:57:03.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, one of the topics I have

686 00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:12.720 Graham Stoddart-Stones: set aside to talk about, if nothing else happens, is the last Parish Online newsletter that came out about a week and a half ago.

687 00:57:13.110 --> 00:57:28.730 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it made the point that we've been talking about today, that because of devolution, you really want to get the data from your next layer up, or the next two layers up of government, down into your system before all the devolution takes place.

688 00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:30.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because…

689 00:57:30.030 --> 00:57:31.480 Stuart Bacon: Apparently, they would give it.

690 00:57:31.780 --> 00:57:39.299 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, look at you, traveling in your automobile. You're not going very quickly, Stuart, that's very good news.

691 00:57:39.300 --> 00:57:43.470 Stuart Bacon: Oh, no, no, no, I'm not currently sitting anywhere, I'm just a sap.

692 00:57:47.430 --> 00:57:48.470 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay.

693 00:57:48.470 --> 00:57:50.269 Cathy Wynne: A cozy office, obviously.

694 00:57:51.200 --> 00:57:52.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, exactly.

695 00:57:53.530 --> 00:57:54.820 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So…

696 00:57:54.820 --> 00:57:55.420 Stuart Bacon: Nice.

697 00:57:55.600 --> 00:57:56.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: when you.

698 00:57:56.080 --> 00:57:56.940 Stuart Bacon: Well, no.

699 00:57:56.940 --> 00:58:13.539 Graham Stoddart-Stones: copy of Parish Online, Cathy, the, one of the first things it invites you to do is to sign up for the newsletter, and I recommend that, because the newsletter is usually full of quite useful information. Little tips, yeah. Well, it also lets you know what they recently changed.

700 00:58:13.990 --> 00:58:15.569 Cathy Wynne: Yeah, it's always useful.

701 00:58:15.570 --> 00:58:20.489 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or updates, or updates that they've brought in, new features, so that's… it's good to do.

702 00:58:21.220 --> 00:58:25.049 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And here's a question from Chris.

703 00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:31.400 Chris Edwards: Well, Graham, regarding your mention of the newsletter,

704 00:58:31.700 --> 00:58:37.140 Chris Edwards: In that newsletter, there was a bit about tithe plot boundaries.

705 00:58:37.790 --> 00:58:43.230 Chris Edwards: Is that the same as cadastral parcels, or something completely different?

706 00:58:43.230 --> 00:58:53.689 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Now, it's what you get in your parish online under Somerset HER, the tithe maps of the tithe maps as they used to be back in the 19th century.

707 00:58:53.690 --> 00:58:54.320 Chris Edwards: Nope.

708 00:58:54.320 --> 00:59:08.709 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And what they're really good for is, as you've experienced yourself, is showing you where the water flooded 150 years ago, and why there should be no reason for it not to flood out all those houses that have been built since.

709 00:59:08.710 --> 00:59:09.080 Chris Edwards: jump.

710 00:59:09.080 --> 00:59:14.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So the tithe maps are really useful, but they tend to be quite old.

711 00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:17.690 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's more than 100 years old, I think, most of them.

712 00:59:17.690 --> 00:59:18.410 Chris Edwards: Okay.

713 00:59:18.930 --> 00:59:19.750 Chris Edwards: Thank you.

714 00:59:19.750 --> 00:59:20.759 Graham Stoddart-Stones: They're good stuff.

715 00:59:20.950 --> 00:59:21.520 Chris Edwards: Yep.

716 00:59:21.520 --> 00:59:24.770 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And really useful for tracking down,

717 00:59:25.260 --> 00:59:35.620 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Why does water suddenly start come pouring out of my basement walls or something? You can point to the fact that you built your house on top of a well-known stream.

718 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:36.550 Chris Edwards: True.

719 00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:37.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And…

720 00:59:38.790 --> 00:59:46.019 Chris Edwards: And one other question, if you don't mind. Table view upgrades. Do you know what upgrades they're referring to?

721 00:59:46.820 --> 00:59:53.759 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, they actually did point it out, didn't they, in the newsletter? Let me drag… you've got the newsletter online? Can you just share your screen?

722 00:59:55.040 --> 00:59:55.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: more than…

723 00:59:55.380 --> 00:59:58.409 Chris Edwards: No, because it's gonna… no, it's gonna take me ages.

724 00:59:58.410 --> 01:00:01.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, okay, well, let's go look at mine, hang on a second.

725 01:00:03.110 --> 01:00:05.000 Chris Edwards: I mean, while you're doing that.

726 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:06.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. I'll just…

727 01:00:07.330 --> 01:00:09.220 Chris Edwards: Go… Oop.

728 01:00:11.820 --> 01:00:19.409 Chris Edwards: I've lost… I, I've, I've… I've lost my maps.

729 01:00:24.370 --> 01:00:25.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do you remember the goon show?

730 01:00:26.580 --> 01:00:27.390 tristram cary: Yes.

731 01:00:27.670 --> 01:00:32.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There was a lovely issue when they were doing a balloon trip across Africa.

732 01:00:32.270 --> 01:00:43.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they hadn't been going for more than a few days when the food ran out, and then you could hear this little thing running away into the distance, and Eddie Seagoon calling back, come back, food!

733 01:00:45.070 --> 01:00:50.139 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So when you say your maps have disappeared, Chris, I wonder whether they just run out on you.

734 01:00:50.850 --> 01:00:53.200 tristram cary: That's very odd, where have they gone?

735 01:00:53.550 --> 01:00:56.100 Chris Edwards: I don't know, I mean, you can, you can, you can see…

736 01:00:56.580 --> 01:00:58.130 tristram cary: It's very pure.

737 01:00:58.350 --> 01:00:58.870 Chris Edwards: Yeah.

738 01:00:58.870 --> 01:01:01.179 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you, are you sharing your screen? I haven't looked.

739 01:01:01.380 --> 01:01:02.080 Chris Edwards: Yes.

740 01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:04.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I was going to…

741 01:01:04.500 --> 01:01:05.500 Chris Edwards: go to…

742 01:01:05.500 --> 01:01:10.149 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, because you turned down… it's because you turned down the transparency. No, it does.

743 01:01:10.150 --> 01:01:12.520 tristram cary: No, no, no, it's up from Baxom.

744 01:01:12.700 --> 01:01:17.800 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. Oh, it is maximum, okay. Do a regular refresh, then.

745 01:01:18.140 --> 01:01:19.470 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Andrew will come back then.

746 01:01:19.470 --> 01:01:21.650 Cathy Wynne: belongs, I mean? Yeah.

747 01:01:22.160 --> 01:01:23.069 Cathy Wynne: Should be finished.

748 01:01:23.070 --> 01:01:23.879 Chris Edwards: Oh, there we are.

749 01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:24.970 Cathy Wynne: Well, yeah, for me.

750 01:01:25.220 --> 01:01:33.519 Chris Edwards: So, if I very quickly go into, We've got my… the synths.

751 01:01:33.980 --> 01:01:36.750 Chris Edwards: And we go into… sorry, table view.

752 01:01:41.810 --> 01:01:47.559 Chris Edwards: So here's table view, but I wouldn't know what upgrades

753 01:01:47.770 --> 01:01:58.280 Chris Edwards: I'm looking for it, but I seem to remember they said that they were doing a much better job on the filtering. So if you look at something like addresses, that's a 50MB file.

754 01:01:58.290 --> 01:02:06.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: or 50 gigawatt, it's pretty huge, and taking… putting a filter on and so forth took a lot of time.

755 01:02:06.020 --> 01:02:08.700 Chris Edwards: Should I be seeing the word addresses here?

756 01:02:09.580 --> 01:02:11.289 tristram cary: I know you had the dresses back in the beginning.

757 01:02:11.970 --> 01:02:13.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm just looking to see.

758 01:02:14.530 --> 01:02:15.200 Chris Edwards: Yeah?

759 01:02:20.270 --> 01:02:21.510 tristram cary: I can't hear anybody now.

760 01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:28.730 Chris Edwards: I thought you were talking about, like, a column which said addresses.

761 01:02:29.600 --> 01:02:31.159 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Earlier the address space.

762 01:02:31.300 --> 01:02:32.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So…

763 01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:36.520 Chris Edwards: I'll come out of that.

764 01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:40.039 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think… If you had…

765 01:02:41.100 --> 01:02:45.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Gone. If you can choose the layer in the top left corner, Chris.

766 01:02:45.560 --> 01:02:51.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just… You should go in there as a table view.

767 01:02:52.350 --> 01:02:53.979 Chris Edwards: Yeah, I've just been in there.

768 01:02:53.980 --> 01:02:57.189 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, now go up to the top where it says Layer, top left corner.

769 01:02:57.830 --> 01:03:02.669 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Top left corner, and change that, yeah, change that to address space.

770 01:03:03.230 --> 01:03:09.069 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So it says address space plus points, last one down there? Yeah, just select the bottom one, that one.

771 01:03:09.350 --> 01:03:20.509 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, so there's now 3 million records there, and putting a filter on those used to take quite a while. I think what they've done is really speed up the time that the filter takes to work.

772 01:03:20.510 --> 01:03:22.219 Chris Edwards: Oh, I see. Yup.

773 01:03:22.220 --> 01:03:27.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it's just a… I think it's generally a speed-up. I don't think it's anything particularly new. Let me just… I'm just reading the…

774 01:03:30.230 --> 01:03:33.030 Chris Edwards: So, if I was to sort of narrow that down.

775 01:03:33.350 --> 01:03:35.709 Chris Edwards: I'm looking for the word parish.

776 01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:37.650 Chris Edwards: I can't find it.

777 01:03:39.380 --> 01:03:43.789 tristram cary: Well, parish… well… Parish might be an address point.

778 01:03:46.220 --> 01:03:47.690 Chris Edwards: Let's just see…

779 01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:57.029 Chris Edwards: Let's just see… No, I've still got other stuff.

780 01:03:57.030 --> 01:04:05.309 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, no, no, you haven't clicked on the sort yet. Click on the bottom one. Go back up to the value, yes, come down one to the drop-down there, click on that.

781 01:04:05.750 --> 01:04:07.280 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That'll do it for you.

782 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:09.049 Chris Edwards: Oh, yes, there we are.

783 01:04:09.050 --> 01:04:11.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I was very impressed to see how fast that was.

784 01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:18.629 Graham Stoddart-Stones: that sorted 37 million records in… down to 39 in a fraction of a second. It was very good.

785 01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:19.880 Chris Edwards: There we go.

786 01:04:20.350 --> 01:04:21.890 Chris Edwards: Thanks to the tip, that's great.

787 01:04:21.890 --> 01:04:22.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

788 01:04:23.660 --> 01:04:26.130 Chris Edwards: Right, I'll stop my screen share.

789 01:04:26.130 --> 01:04:30.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, so let me just check with everybody. Chris has still got his hand up, but that's the old leftover, is it?

790 01:04:30.900 --> 01:04:32.220 Chris Edwards: Oh, yep, sorry.

791 01:04:32.450 --> 01:04:36.329 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Is there anyone who has any other question that they'd like us to answer?

792 01:04:38.240 --> 01:04:41.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because otherwise, I'm going to formally declare that the weekend has started.

793 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I've got a Labrador, and he's walking…

794 01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:46.909 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Before the rain comes roaring in.

795 01:04:47.780 --> 01:04:54.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nobody else. Well, thank you all very much for your time. I hope it's been helpful. Stuart, I hope you're going to enjoy the fresh air out there.

796 01:04:55.160 --> 01:05:01.069 tristram cary: Nice. See you all next week, and thank you for coming. Thank you, thank you. Bye.