> For the complete documentation index, see [llms.txt](https://chagos.gitbook.io/parish-online/llms.txt). Markdown versions of documentation pages are available by appending `.md` to page URLs; this page is available as [Markdown](https://chagos.gitbook.io/parish-online/parish-online-banter-sessions/251205-05dec25-session25-49.md).

# 251205 - 05Dec25 session25-49

Parish Online user account management, including the setup of new user roles and access permissions. email services, workspace functionality, and tree mapping capabilities.

Demonstrations of how to add and manage tree data using aerial photography and GPS coordinates. The conversation ended with discussions about data sharing between councils, system upgrades, and the implementation of Parish Online for geographical information management, including the handling of assets and maintenance documentation.

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### Presentation:

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### Meeting Summary:

Dec 05, 2025 01:58 PM London ID: 897 5877 7706

### Quick recap

The meeting began with introductions and discussions about Parish Online user account management, including the setup of new user roles and access permissions. The group explored various features of Parish Online, including email services, workspace functionality, and tree mapping capabilities, with demonstrations of how to add and manage tree data using aerial photography and GPS coordinates. The conversation ended with discussions about data sharing between councils, system upgrades, and the implementation of Parish Online for geographical information management, including the handling of assets and maintenance documentation.

### Next steps

* [James: Add new user (e.g., Chris Cooper) to Parish Online with "reader" access and update the "department" field as appropriate; consider starting with read-only and upgrading later as needed.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=QESYZDBySyaBvkrZy7Ga%2BA%3D%3D\&stepId=9be547f1-d1eb-11f0-8392-02a5d7d2ca1d)
* [James: Consider creating a generic read-only account (e.g., "Parish Councillor") for shared bookmarks and access for all councillors.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=QESYZDBySyaBvkrZy7Ga%2BA%3D%3D\&stepId=9be550fd-d1eb-11f0-82c3-02a5d7d2ca1d)
* [James: Contact Ben (Saplings Arbaculture) to confirm if they can provide tree survey data in a format that can be imported into Parish Online, and if possible, arrange for a permanent data link or temporary user access for plotting layers.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=QESYZDBySyaBvkrZy7Ga%2BA%3D%3D\&stepId=9be5556e-d1eb-11f0-93a7-02a5d7d2ca1d)
* [James: Follow up with Eastley Borough Council (using contact who is also a councillor) to request digital asset transfer data and facilitate connection with Parish Online help desk for direct data import, referencing the "Council Data" steps in the Knowledge Base.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=QESYZDBySyaBvkrZy7Ga%2BA%3D%3D\&stepId=9be5592f-d1eb-11f0-934e-02a5d7d2ca1d)
* [Susan: Check with Parish Online or relevant contacts to confirm that the clerk/admin will have full control over user accounts, passwords, and administration for the new email and workspace services.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=QESYZDBySyaBvkrZy7Ga%2BA%3D%3D\&stepId=9be55cdc-d1eb-11f0-8549-02a5d7d2ca1d)
* [Cathy: Contact Kent County Council (and/or local footpath officer) to request digital public rights of way (PROW) data and/or TPO information for import into Parish Online.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=QESYZDBySyaBvkrZy7Ga%2BA%3D%3D\&stepId=9be56055-d1eb-11f0-9b6b-02a5d7d2ca1d)
* [Cathy: When uploading maintenance manuals, risk assessments, or reports to Parish Online, ensure file names are descriptive and include relevant details (e.g., date) as file names cannot be changed after upload.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=QESYZDBySyaBvkrZy7Ga%2BA%3D%3D\&stepId=9be563d6-d1eb-11f0-90c5-02a5d7d2ca1d)

### Summary

#### New Participants and User Rights

The meeting began with introductions, including two new participants, Chris and Klaudia, who joined the group. Richard, who was experiencing bandwidth issues, joined with his video off. James expressed interest in exploring the possibility of adding new users and sharing viewing rights without edit permissions. Graham confirmed that these functionalities were possible.

#### Parish Online User Account Setup

James demonstrated how to create a new user account in Parish Online, starting with Chris Cooper as a reader. Graham explained the different user roles, with readers having read-only access, editors able to make changes but not add new data, and data managers having full access except for billing details. James decided to start Chris as a reader to avoid accidental changes to the data he had carefully entered, with the possibility of upgrading his access later.

#### Parish Online Account Management

The group discussed Parish Online account management and access levels. Graham advised James on how to modify user permissions and suggested creating a read-only Parish Council account. They also discussed an upcoming parish-wide arboreal survey, with James learning that data from the survey could be directly linked to Parish Online either through the surveyors' own mapping system or by creating a temporary user account. The conversation concluded with Tristram inquiring about the surveyors' credentials, to which James confirmed they were professionals from a company called Saplings Arbaculture.

#### Parish Online Email and Workspace

The meeting discussed the implementation of Parish Online's email and workspace services by Hickson Parish Council. Susan reported that after 12 months of deliberation, they have finally placed a purchase order for the email service, which Chris confirmed has been running smoothly for a year. The council plans to use the workspace for a central filing system, allowing secure access and sharing of templates for various parish documents. The discussion clarified that while the clerk can request access, the login administration remains under the council's control, hosted on their servers.

#### User Account Management and Mapping

The group discussed the setup and control of user accounts, with Graham confirming that administrators can manage users independently. They explored the functionality of the workspace, comparing it to Google Docs and noting its integration with Zoho. Susan mentioned their existing use of Parish Online for asset mapping, and Chris recommended the Parish Online website service. Graham suggested using aerial photography for precise mapping of trees, and Chris offered to demonstrate this feature in Parish Online.

#### Tree Mapping with Parish Online

The group discussed using Parish Online to map and identify trees, with Chris demonstrating how to add tree features and view aerial photography. Susan raised a concern about accurately capturing tree coordinates, particularly when working in the field, and Graham suggested using a smartphone's GPS feature by taking photographs while standing near the trees to capture precise coordinates. Tristram noted that while this method can be accurate, he had experienced some discrepancies of up to 100 meters when plotting tree locations.

#### Tree Data Management and Mapping

The group discussed tree inspections and data management. Susan explained that they have trees inspected by a consultant, Rob Kiesel, who keeps a database of tree coordinates for those over 15 meters tall. Graham offered to help import this data into Parish Online, which would automatically sync with the consultant's records. James shared that they are having their mature trees surveyed due to legal requirements, and while not every tree will be assessed, their locations will be plotted in Parish Online to create a comprehensive map of all trees within the parish.

#### Map Asset Transfer Strategy Discussion

James discussed the challenge of transferring variously shaped and aged map assets into Parish Online, noting that the data was currently stored as scanned PDFs. Graham suggested that James contact the Borough Council to access their digital data system, providing a step-by-step guide in the Parish Online Knowledge Base. Graham emphasized the importance of obtaining the data before potential staff changes or devolution could lead to information loss. James acknowledged the potential resistance from the Borough Council but noted their willingness to assist with asset transfers.

#### Enhancing Data Sharing Collaboration

Graham explained to James that councils often lack awareness about the ease of sharing data, emphasizing that Geosphere can quickly access and provide information with minimal effort. James mentioned having a contact at Eastley Borough Council to potentially facilitate data access. Graham highlighted a successful example in Somerset where a unitary council now freely shares data, illustrating how collaboration and clear communication can lead to better data availability. James acknowledged the potential time-saving benefits of this process and expressed interest in exploring further opportunities.

#### Parish Online Implementation Strategy

Cathy discussed with Graham and others about implementing Parish Online, a geographical information system for their council. Graham advised Cathy to start by plotting assets like trees, benches, and public rights of way, as this would provide a sense of accomplishment and familiarity with the system. He suggested contacting the county council for existing data on public rights of way and trees with preservation orders, which could be easily imported into Parish Online. Graham also recommended exploring additional resources like Roam Kent for more detailed information on footpaths and features.

#### Parish Online System Updates

The group discussed Parish Online system features and upgrades, including the ability to attach maintenance manuals and reports to equipment as attachments, with Stuart emphasizing the importance of consistent file naming. Graham explained that Parish Online newsletters provide useful updates and information about system changes, while Chris inquired about tithe plot boundaries and table view upgrades, which Graham clarified were related to improved filtering performance. The conversation ended with a demonstration of the system's enhanced sorting capabilities, which now operates much more quickly than before.

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### Chat:

00:28:25 Retired Clerk: Sorry, but our broadband not playing nicely today, we seem to be in the middle of a heavy down pour... I'll try and login to next week's meeting <br>

01:03:37 Susan McKeown: Have a good Christmas, see you all next year.

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James Franklin: Yes, I came on… Specifically for…

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James Franklin: Having a look at adding new users, or…

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James Franklin: Being able to potentially share viewing rights to things where they can't make edits?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: All that is possible, yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, let me just check with Klaudia while she's there. Klaudia, do you have anything specific you'd like to cover?

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Klaudia Pietrusiewicz: To be honest, this is my first time, so I just joined to listen and learn, so I don't have anything specific at this moment.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Have you even seen Parish online? You have had a chance to look at it?

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Klaudia Pietrusiewicz: Yes, I do, yes. I can log in. I was doing some…

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Klaudia Pietrusiewicz: bits, some bits, I would say, but I'm not a professional, let's say, so I'm just…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, let's go with James, then. James, are you in a position to A get into Paris Online, and B share your screen?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Please?

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James Franklin: Yes, bear with me one second.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

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James Franklin: I've been…

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James Franklin: demoted to the committee room, so I'm now on a computer that's got my screens in a different.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, you've got somebody on the naughty step, naughty step behind your right corner and right shoulder.

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James Franklin: Oh.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: She's looking very dejected.

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James Franklin: Swear off.

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James Franklin: A lady who looks after our finance.

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James Franklin: Works, and she's an avid knitter.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, right.

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James Franklin: Many knitted things. Right. That's Parish Online.

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James Franklin: Now, is it gonna let me share the screen that is not…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Shit.

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James Franklin: this screen.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, you need to go to your Zoom screen to share. Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if you put your mouse on the middle of the bottom line, it turns into a green button.

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Chris Edwards: For real.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, if, in terms of users, if you want to go up to the cogwheel in the top right corner, and click on Administration.

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James Franklin: Oh, and that was a Christmas tree. Christmas mount.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, I thought that's very smart, isn't he?

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James Franklin: I noticed the Christmas time.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if you go over to the left-hand column, you've got users.

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James Franklin: users.

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James Franklin: Yeah, I was provided with a login and a password when I started, and I went, off you go.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, in order to add a new user, you can click on the plus sign at the top of the middle column.

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James Franklin: Okay.

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James Franklin: has requested something, so I'm gonna add…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Moved on and somebody else comes in. They can still use the same, login.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: the editor.

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James Franklin: Email, different login information.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, you can always… you can leave it at the same position as chair, and no matter, that's fine.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, so he logs in as Chris, and his name is presumably Chris, first name.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: QBChris.cooper at… Botley.co.uk or .gov.uk or something.

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James Franklin: Someone in their infinite wisdom decided that it was a good idea to put a little dashy hyphen thing in the middle of our email.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Every time. On the school?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You may have too many cases.

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James Franklin: It's a one of those.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You may have too many Ks in Cooper.

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James Franklin: I have… Exactly, too many Ks.

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James Franklin: Right.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: then a reader is exactly what it says it is. He can just, read and do nothing else, can't make any changes, but can see everything.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's a good one to be for anybody you don't expect to be putting data in.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: An editor is somebody who can make changes to something that's already there, but he can't add a new layer of any sort.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: To do that, you need to be a data manager, and the data manager can do everything except look at what your next bill is going to be.

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James Franklin: Okay.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Look at the bidding.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: details. So, I would start with Mr. Cooper, perhaps. She wants to be a reader, does he?

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tristram cary: Should be…

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James Franklin: He'd like to be an editor.

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James Franklin: However, I've spent a lot of man-hours communicating our parish online.

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James Franklin: everyone didn't mess it up.

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James Franklin: he may… I might… so I could come and change this at a later date. Of course you can.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes.

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James Franklin: So if I start with a reader.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

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James Franklin: Until I find out exactly what he wants to do, because actually what he wants to do might… I don't want him…

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James Franklin: sounds mean, but I don't want to allow people access for them to undo the things that I've spent hours doing.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, that's true.

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James Franklin: And until then…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: reasonable position, James, until they're a bit more familiar with the product.

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James Franklin: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: This way, there's no way they can do accidents.

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James Franklin: So I'm assuming it's just to create a user, and then…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes.

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James Franklin: Away we go.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, well, you want to ask him if you want to send him an email, which you do, really, so yes.

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James Franklin: We're going.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright. Is he the only one, or do you want to carry on with somebody else whilst we're here?

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James Franklin: Oh, he's the only one for now.

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James Franklin: the birds start singing. There'll be lots of other people that seem to want to be interested that currently aren't.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, and there are… there are a couple of things to bear in mind when creating users, so…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because there is a facility in Paris Online called Bookmarks.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which is a very good way of storing the details for any one particular product. You know, it saves the right number of layers, it saves the right zoom in, it saves the right scroll, so it's very convenient.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But bookmarks can…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: only be used by the person who logged into them. So, the way I get around that, so that everybody can see the bookmarks, is to create a generic account called something like Parish Councillor.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then anybody who's a parish councillor can come in and use the system and see the bookmarks that we've created for them.

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James Franklin: Oh, okay.

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Susan McKeown: Hickson Barish Council has finally got over the line to… Have,

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Susan McKeown: a purchase order out to, Parish Online, and I saw Chris at, Utoxita the other day.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you in Paris Online?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Susan?

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Susan McKeown: Sorry, yeah, sorry, would you repeat, sorry.

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Susan McKeown: Am I in post online now? Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you running it?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, would you like to?

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Susan McKeown: If you could just share it on your screen, where, where, where I go, to aerial view and whatever to do it, that would be good. If somebody else wants… I don't want to take up any space, or…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Chris, is that something you'd like to have a go at?

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Chris Edwards: Yes, I can, do that, yep.

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Susan McKeown: Thank you.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just… So I can attack my coffee with gusto.

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Chris Edwards: So, here we go.

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Chris Edwards: This is our little parish.

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Chris Edwards: Somewhere, I have got… Trees…

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Chris Edwards: I've listed the principal trees in our central area here.

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Chris Edwards: we've got a group of 6 trees here, so if you click on each one, it comes… oh, yeah, it comes up with the tree ID, what the variety is, and when it was planted, and so on.

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Chris Edwards: Anyway, just going back to the…

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Chris Edwards: aerial photography. If you look on the left-hand side, aerial photography.

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Susan McKeown: Yeah, yeah, got it, yep.

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Chris Edwards: Click on that. Click on the next one down, which is the latest version.

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Susan McKeown: Yeah.

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Chris Edwards: And this helps you enormously with looking to see where the trees are. I'm going to zoom out a bit more.

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Chris Edwards: So, here's the church. There's obviously a few mature trees here.

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Chris Edwards: So it's very easy to build up a location.

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Susan McKeown: I mean, I get all of that, what I think, because I've got them on page online, but it's the exact position. I thought you'd said something where you can actually say you've got something on your phone, you could say, this is the exact position.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, yeah, let's get that to… let's let Chris do his bit for the moment.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So he's… Gonna choose a tree and add it.

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Chris Edwards: So I'm just going to go back. I've gone down to my tree layer, For example.

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Susan McKeown: Yep.

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Chris Edwards: And then, I can put tree ID, a… fees.

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Susan McKeown: Yeah, I've got… yep.

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Chris Edwards: And I can click on that tree there, And save it.

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Susan McKeown: I've done that, but what I think you might be missing. What I was saying is putting it in the exact position, like, giving it coordinates.

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Chris Edwards: Yes, I'm looking at the bottom of my screen. I thought, let me just get rid of that.

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Chris Edwards: Unfortunately, I've… I can't see the coordinates at the bottom of my…

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Chris Edwards: Parish Online screen, because I'm screen sharing.

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Chris Edwards: But at the bottom, I'm sure that you'll be able to get the coordinates. Graham, can you see coordinates?

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Chris Edwards: Because I'm… you're not screwed up.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: true moon's.

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Chris Edwards: be sharing.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Can you move your mouse over one of the trees, Chris?

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Chris Edwards: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, no, but if you… where his mouse is, is the precise location of the tree.

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Susan McKeown: Yeah, that's… but that's because the coordinates are in, you know…

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Susan McKeown: I was probably not explaining myself. When I'm… I've done all that, and it does show coordinates on it.

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Susan McKeown: But that's only where I've estimated to put the tree. What I'm trying to think, is there a way that you can be out in the field and say, right.

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Susan McKeown: click, this is where this tree is, and this is the proper coordinates, because when I put the trees on, I've sort of, as you said, I've tried to guess them as accurately as can, and it does provide coordinates, but they're not the true coordinates.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, there is a facility…

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James Franklin: Cool.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There is a facility in your, telephone.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: for showing your GPS coordinate of where you're standing. So if you'.

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Susan McKeown: Alright.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You're standing right in front of a tree.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then you can get the coordinates of the tree.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the simplest thing to do is to take a photograph, and make sure you've got store coordinates set as one of the settings on your camera.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then each picture you have of each tree will have the coordinates for it.

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tristram cary: Of where you're standing, love the corners of where you're standing.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's what I'm saying, she can just… she can stand next to the tree and take a wonderful picture of the bark, or something. Yep. The closer you stand to the tree, the more accurate.

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Susan McKeown: A lot, isn't it? Yeah. 100 meters is a lot.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You have a very cheap phone.

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Susan McKeown: I'm just asking, I've got them on, and I've got the trees on, and we also have them inspected by a consultant, Rob Kiesel, which is local to our area.

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Susan McKeown: And they do… but they've also got a database that they keep the information in. I suppose we might look at if… because they will have… they have the facility to put the coordinates in of the trees that we want. We only have trees inspected that are over, 15 meters high.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's Susan.

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Susan McKeown: So we don't have all the trees inspected.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's very easy for…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: parish online to import data into your parish layer for you, which contains the tree ID plus the coordinates of where it is. So if your consultants or your tree people have already got that information, then they should just export it to you.

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Susan McKeown: Okay, okay, and every time they do an inspect… because we're on their second inspection now.

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Susan McKeown: We try to get them to come out every 3 years. So, yeah, okay.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Before you arrived, we were having the conversation with James about sharing data with his tree surgeons and so forth.

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Susan McKeown: Alright, yeah, that's why I picked it up.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's very simple to have the information linked between their computers and Parish Online, so that whenever they make a change to their record of your tree, it updates.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: copy of Bash online.

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Susan McKeown: Yes.

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James Franklin: That's exactly why we're going for that service. We're having our mature trees surveyed

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James Franklin: Because of a legal requirement, but as they're doing that, we're asking them, or we're paying them, to plot

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James Franklin: every other tree as well, so…

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James Franklin: Effectively, if you looked at our parish online, it would be a plot of every single

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James Franklin: tree that stands in Botley, and they're going to every location in the parish.

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James Franklin: So, oh, sorry, everything that we are responsible for within.

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Susan McKeown: Yeah.

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James Franklin: So they may not be doing a survey on a younger tree, but they're going to.

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Susan McKeown: Yeah, and we haven't got them to do every tree, because there's quite a lot, but we did make a distinction. We wanted to have a look at the ones that were either 15 meters tall, or were next to a property, where if there was any, you know, damage, so that's how, you know.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's smooth.

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Susan McKeown: remake food.

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James Franklin: Yeah, I completely agree with you on that reasoning, but as they're doing the survey, they're not assessing every tree we have, they're just

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James Franklin: Plotting the location of every tree there is.

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Susan McKeown: Maybe.

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James Franklin: assessing 30% of the trees, but they're going to log

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James Franklin: the data for 100% of freeze, so then that I can see everything on Parish Online.

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Susan McKeown: Yeah, yeah.

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Chris Edwards: I'll stop sharing in a second, but, just moving on from trees, speed indicator devices.

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Susan McKeown: Oh, yes.

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Chris Edwards: Think, if I click… on table view, Somewhere, yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Roll to the right. Yep.

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Chris Edwards: There would be…

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tristram cary: Yeah, there you are, going around.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Dental X.

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Chris Edwards: So you could do that for trees, of course.

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Susan McKeown: Yeah.

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Susan McKeown: Yeah.

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Chris Edwards: Yeah, okay, so let me just close that down, and I'll stop sharing.

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Susan McKeown: Thank you.

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Chris Edwards: Pleasure.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, let's come back to you, James. You said you were plotting another question.

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James Franklin: So, it's, it's not.

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James Franklin: really a question. I've… so we're going through quite a lot of asset transfer currently.

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James Franklin: And I've… received from the local borough council that… local borough council that should…

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James Franklin: Be no more in 2028.

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James Franklin: All the red line drawings of assets that are to be transferred.

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James Franklin: I wanted to know if there was a… so they don't have data to share with me, I wanted to know if there was a simpler way of adding these into Paris Online. I don't think there will be, it's just… and they're all across different varieties and ages of maps, and weird things from the land registry, and…

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James Franklin: I'm looking at one at the moment that's just a drawing, I think.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But do they have these, stored digitally, or are they stored as,

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James Franklin: Oh, these look like they're scanned.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right. From a hard copy.

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James Franklin: But they're all… There's a majority of what I'd call, like, green finger areas, they're not…

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James Franklin: a nice rectangular playing field, it's little silly bits of verge, and… and they're just gonna be a massive…

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James Franklin: palava to try and input it into… because I've made, in my parish layers, asset transfer phase one, two, and three layers to start putting them onto it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

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James Franklin: they're just really funny shapes, and I wanted to know if there was an easier way of doing it, but I don't…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There is a much easier way of doing it. So, the chances are very strong, I'm going to make a sort of a sweeping statement here, James, but the chances are very strong that there is a computer system at your borough council level where they are storing this data.

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James Franklin: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it's literally a piece of cake to get that data out of their system into yours without you having to lift a finger.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay. And the step to go is, if you go up to your help menu in Parish Online.

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James Franklin: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: and click on Knowledge Base.

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James Franklin: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: and type in the words Council Data.

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Susan McKeown: Repeat that again, please.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, go into the knowledge base, Susan, which is under.

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Susan McKeown: Oh, yes, yes, no.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do you think?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Type in the words Council Data.

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James Franklin: Yep.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And what it gives you is a whole set of steps to follow to make it very much easier and faster for Parish Online to get the data for you. So, the first thing that's really crucial is to establish the name of the person that they need to be talking to at the Borough Council level.

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James Franklin: Okay.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: and then just put them in touch with each other, and Geosphere will bring the data down to your parish layers.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it saves you the most enormous amount of time, because instead of you having to plot, 500 little verges and pieces of grass, which are all different shapes, they just stick it straight into Paris Online for you, and they're already there.

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James Franklin: Okay.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It would be very unusual and very 19th century for Botley Borough Council to not have a computer system that's got this data stored in it.

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James Franklin: Like, I suppose.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Can't believe it.

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James Franklin: East, it's East Ibarican.

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tristram cary: East New York, yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, well…

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James Franklin: I'm sure they must have something, but what I've received is… 6 PDFs with a little…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, and the reason for that is that most

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Councils above the parish and town level have got no concept of you having what's known as a geographical information system that can cope.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, the vast majority of questions they get have to be answered by sending people pieces of paper. Yeah. The word hasn't got through yet on a global level that parish councils who are using something like Parish Online can cope with all the data that they've got.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the easiest way for them to give you the information is digitally, but they're not aware of that. So you need to make them aware of the fact that you've got

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: a geographical information system, a GIS, is the vernacular to use, and that all they need to do is to get in touch

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: or you to put them in touch with Parish Online's help desk, and it'll go… they'll go from there.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, marvellous, I will…

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tristram cary: I think it's very generous of you to say that they're

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tristram cary: they want to help, and they just don't realize. It also happens that they sometimes don't want to help very much, because they don't like the idea of parishes doing things.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But they're all.

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tristram cary: So you might get some resistance.

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James Franklin: My experience with Eastleigh hasn't been massively they want to help, but with the unification of

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James Franklin: government, I think they are…

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James Franklin: They're keen for the asset transfers to go ahead, so I think if they can provide something that will help us do that.

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James Franklin: then… Oh, they're only scratching their own back, aren't they?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: The other thing is, with all this devolution, the evidence is extremely clear that a lot of information is going to get lost.

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James Franklin: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: The corporate knowledge of where the information is stored, and who put it there, and how it got there is going to disappear as people get fired, or they move to different job.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: whatever it happens to be. So, it's really a huge advantage to you if you can get the data out to you now, before the person who runs it disappears.

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Susan McKeown: Yes.

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Susan McKeown: Good advice.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: going to be a major issue over the next 2 or 3 years, and the best solution is to get the data into Paris Online, now, whilst you can.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the… the other thing, if you're having trouble getting information out of the Council.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: then you might wish, and this is sort of more or less a last resort, you might wish to go to the person there who's got a job title, something like Head of Customer Service, or Client Relationship Manager, or something like that, because they have got

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: the clout. They've been given the authority to bash heads together to give you the information that you want, because guess what? You are their customer.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they are obliged to give you the service that you're asking for.

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James Franklin: Well, I'm quite lucky that someone links with our council is a councillor at Eastleighborough Council, so hopefully I can…

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James Franklin: Backdoor, and bend his ear and find out how to get that going.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I think that, I think, to be fair to most councils, it's a matter of ignorance and lack of education rather than bloody-mindedness. I mean, I agree with you, there are some councils which are totally bloody-minded from the top down. It's sort of a…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: throughout the whole corporation is. There's no reason to help people, but I think a lot of them are getting the message, and a lot of them just don't know that you can take the data off their hands.

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James Franklin: I'm sure the process isn't that painful for them, is it?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's not painful at all. It's mind-bogglingly fast. It's literally just a few seconds of Geosphere's time. Once they know where to go, and they've been given the authorization to go there… I mean, I have actually been on a…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: A call with one of the engineers at…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: parish online, where I said, I'm desperate to get information out of the Isle of Wight Parish Council, and he said, well, what do you want? And I said, well, the footpaths would be golly good. And he said, do you mean these? And there they appeared on my screen, literally within a couple of seconds. It was extraordinary. So, it's not hard…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: For them to do, and bearing in mind that they do this every day of the year, they're very good at it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they… it's… you get all sorts of excuses from the council, like, well, we'd love to help you, but we don't have the manpower, we don't have the time, we don't have the resources, and we certainly don't have the money. To which you retort, it doesn't cost you anything, Geosphere do all the work, and they do it for free.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, they don't have really any leg to stand on, but they're not aware they don't have a leg to stand on until you make it clear that you're not taking no for an answer.

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James Franklin: Well, definitely as part of this, asset transfer business, would make…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I would suggest a good 40% of my life easier.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, it saves you a huge amount of time. There's no point in you duplicating work that somebody else did 5 years ago.

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James Franklin: Yeah, there's a lot of weirdness that I'm definitely not going to be able to get out of, but creating maps is one of the things that I'd happily let them…

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James Franklin: Get me out, so…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, we do have an example,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: in Somerset, went from being a county council with five divisions, or sort of district councils, to being a unitary.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And by huge good fortune, the guy who'd been in charge of one of the GIS sections became the head of GIS in the new council, and we managed to, sort of, gang up on him to the point where he started issuing data, and now you almost can't stop him. They're pouring data out, which is wonderful.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, I mean, the classic example was, all the parish councils were asked if they take over bin collection, and they're emptying, and they all said, so where are these bins? And no one would tell them. But now, they're…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: awash in information about where every bin in the country is, in summers, which is wonderfully helpful, because the data is all there somewhere, it just needs to be got out.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you need to bash people's head to get the information out, because they're not familiar with the fact that you can take it in the form that they've got it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes. And then they think, because they're used to IT departments who move at rather less speed than most glaciers, they think it'll take forever to get the answer out, and the answer is that if Geosphere do it for you, it'll take literally no more than a second or two. It's quite extraordinary.

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James Franklin: Marvellous. Well, we'll look into that, and…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: do take that away, because that's going to save you literally thousands of hours of work. It definitely feels like a Monday morning sort of job. So, is there anything else you need to see, James?

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James Franklin: No, that's all my questions answered for today. Thank you for your time, and…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that's the wrong answer, because now I've got to think up something to say.

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James Franklin: Wow.

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tristram cary: Mmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Klaudia, nothing has occurred to you yet that you want to see, particularly.

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Klaudia Pietrusiewicz: No, thank you, I think I'm fine, but I learned a bit. No, honestly, I learned a bit, which I wasn't aware about, so it was very useful, I must admit, so…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

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Klaudia Pietrusiewicz: Next time, I'm gonna prepare some questions for the next time, so…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Look, Kathy's arrived. Good day, Kathy!

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Cathy Wynne: Hello.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nice to see you, or hear you, Lee.

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Cathy Wynne: Yes.

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Cathy Wynne: I,

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Cathy Wynne: Didn't arrive right at the beginning, but I caught up with you while you were talking about the trees, which was interesting.

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Cathy Wynne: Great, just so to put you in the picture, Graeme, Noah.

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Cathy Wynne: Our council haven't yet got a Parrot Online site, but we're looking at it, to…

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Cathy Wynne: As something to invest in in the near future.

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Cathy Wynne: kind of gave me a little demonstration the other day, and of course, after the demonstration, there was a few little queries, questions, so I thought I'd pop…

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Cathy Wynne: pop in when I could today, and see if,

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Cathy Wynne: they either come up, or I could ask them. One very, very simple question.

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Cathy Wynne: Which you must all know, is if we've got the system, is there a limit on the number of users?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yo.

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Cathy Wynne: No, good. I didn't think you'd said there was, but that's,

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Cathy Wynne: Feeding back, really, from your experience of when you first took this on, What is the,

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Cathy Wynne: How is the best way to actually start putting in your information?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It all depends what information you want to put in, but…

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Cathy Wynne: As much.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: By far the simplest solution is to take the really superb set of training lessons that somebody somewhere gives you. But apart from that, it really is just a matter of working out which ones you want to do first.

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tristram cary: That's funny.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because they all have a different way of dealing with them.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I find that…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's a learning curve to Paris Online, which is quite steep for the first couple of hours, but once you've got the hang of it, it then becomes very intuitive.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the knowledge base, as I think I pointed out to you on Wednesday, is a very good one. So, most of the information that you need to know, if you can't find it instantly, is in the knowledge base. And if you can't find it there, then a ticket to the support desk will usually give you the answer very quickly.

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Cathy Wynne: Vista.

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tristram cary: Isn't it also true that the most important thing is to plot the assets?

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tristram cary: So I'd suggest you go through all your assets, and trees, and signposts, or benches, or whatever it is, and…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Put your data into those layers.

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Cathy Wynne: I mean, that's really what I was wondering.

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Cathy Wynne: Where do you start? Yes, where do you start? There's so much to put on, which is… which is the most… which, from your experience, is the most logical place to start. So, yes, the assets, the…

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Cathy Wynne: limited building, the… the land we…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think one of the…

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Cathy Wynne: kind.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which gives you the confidence level, is to plot either your allotments or your graveyard or cemetery, because the overhead photography shows you where everything is, and it's a piece of cake, and very rewarding to just put a dot on each one, and then say, here we are, we've got everything.

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Cathy Wynne: They are actually two things we don't actually have.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: No one dies in your negligence?

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Cathy Wynne: Well, the local church maintains the Glebe field and the churchyard, so it's not a parish.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And nobody digits for victory.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It'll work.

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Cathy Wynne: Well, we have allotments, but again, it's a private organization that

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Cathy Wynne: opened up land for it, rather than the parish council. We have a lot of woodland.

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Cathy Wynne: which were maintained, which at the moment, with the ash dieback, is… because that's how I was interested in the trees.

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Cathy Wynne: And also a lot of, hedgerows, trees with…

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Cathy Wynne: preservation orders on. So, I mean, that's…

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Cathy Wynne: Which ones have and which haven't is, something that we…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, going back to your next layer of government up.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: your district council, or your county council, or your unitary, depending on which you are, will almost certainly have the TPO information.

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Cathy Wynne: And, yes, hopefully.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Digital form, and they should be able to export it to you.

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Cathy Wynne: As a hope.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Easily and very quickly, and it's going to save you a ton of time and work.

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Cathy Wynne: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it's always much better if someone else has already done the work, for you just to have it slipped in.

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Cathy Wynne: Indeed.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Reservation orders is an obvious one.

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Cathy Wynne: Yes, yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: They're easy, and they're very useful.

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Cathy Wynne: Cool. And the same, would that be, our local

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Cathy Wynne: County Council, maintain the public footpaths and things.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Thank you.

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Cathy Wynne: They call them public rights of way. Yes, yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: P-R-O-W that you.

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Cathy Wynne: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You're in Kent, aren't you?

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Cathy Wynne: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I don't know how good Kent is. I think we looked through your layers and couldn't see anything from Kent, could we?

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Cathy Wynne: No, no, he couldn't. All you could see was the flooding, which tends to cover a great swathe.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it's really worthwhile, you having the same issue that James has got, you need to educate the County Council that you've got a geographical information system, and you need the information that they've got, and the public rights-of-way, the footpaths, is a wonderful place to start.

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Cathy Wynne: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because they show up brilliantly on the parish online.

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Cathy Wynne: So I thought it might be one of the easiest ones if we could import it, and it'd all be there.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It is, and usually the council people have a footpath officer, so most councils I know have a footpath, so it's easy to identify the guy that you want to talk to.

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Cathy Wynne: Yes, yes, we've been in touch with him recently. Maintenance, just because there's been complaints about maintenance of a style, which is probably why it's in my mind at the moment.

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Cathy Wynne: But.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's also… there are two forms of information. So, there's the, county council, or whatever records they've got, and they've got the public rights-of-way information, but then a lot of councils have something called Rome, so roam.kent is a good thing for you to put into Google and see what comes up with, but they often have very much more detailed information on the footpaths. So, what the county council keep

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's just where the footpaths are.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But the roam.kent, or explore.kent is the other name for it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Tends to keep details of every style, every bridge, every gate, and you can identify those.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It sometimes can be very disappointing to look at them, because you see the last time they were looked at was somewhere last century, but they do at least have the information.

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Cathy Wynne: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I know in Somerset it's called explorer.sumerset or roam.somerset, and I think it's sort of more or less the same across each county.

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Cathy Wynne: Okay.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So it's… that's much more detailed information, and depending on how your council has been set up, they may or may not have anything whatsoever to do with the county council. It might be an entirely separate organization.

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Cathy Wynne: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But it's worth checking out both.

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Cathy Wynne: Indeed.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Council will definitely have your footpath information.

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Cathy Wynne: else, yeah.

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Cathy Wynne: When you were talking about assets,

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Cathy Wynne: We maintain or have two particular buildings. Sorry, the play equipment. We have them on two different sites.

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Cathy Wynne: Can you, within the layers, You mentioned about,

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Cathy Wynne: keeping copies of risk assessments and things like that. But also, different pieces of equipment have different maintenance manuals. Can that all be layered in on those little.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, you can… We reference to it. …add them as attachments to each one.

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Cathy Wynne: them as a.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Each swing, each roundabout, each slide, whatever it is, can have its own document attached to it.

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Cathy Wynne: With maintenance manuals, and also then… When they've had.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: work done on them. Maintenance done, yes. Well, there's usually a maintenance report, isn't there? Yeah. You can put the report there, which is wonderful for giving you a track record of what's happened over the years.

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Cathy Wynne: Yes, yes.

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Stuart Bacon: The important thing with doing that is just the way you store the file name when you first put it in, because the file name can't be amended when you attach it afterwards. So you've got to save it… you've got to save it as the,

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Stuart Bacon: maintenance log, or whatever, with a date to it, if that's what you're uploading, or if you're, sort of, putting in, sort of the manual, then just the instruction manual for installation, or whatever, for that piece of kit, yeah.

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Cathy Wynne: Okay, so…

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Stuart Bacon: That's the following.

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Cathy Wynne: Yes, that's useful to note. We've got to think about the name before we put it in, because you can't alter it. To make it consistent over the years, if you could look back later, isn't it? You need the description.

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Cathy Wynne: To be very clear what it is. Yeah, thanks.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nice to have you with us, Stuart. Good day.

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Stuart Bacon: Good day. Sorry, I've been,

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Stuart Bacon: I've been remotely listening to most of the session, but dealing with the burial at the same time, so, yeah, sorry about that.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, one of the topics I have

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: set aside to talk about, if nothing else happens, is the last Parish Online newsletter that came out about a week and a half ago.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it made the point that we've been talking about today, that because of devolution, you really want to get the data from your next layer up, or the next two layers up of government, down into your system before all the devolution takes place.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because…

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Stuart Bacon: Apparently, they would give it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, look at you, traveling in your automobile. You're not going very quickly, Stuart, that's very good news.

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Stuart Bacon: Oh, no, no, no, I'm not currently sitting anywhere, I'm just a sap.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay.

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Cathy Wynne: A cozy office, obviously.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, exactly.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So…

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Stuart Bacon: Nice.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: when you.

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Stuart Bacon: Well, no.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: copy of Parish Online, Cathy, the, one of the first things it invites you to do is to sign up for the newsletter, and I recommend that, because the newsletter is usually full of quite useful information. Little tips, yeah. Well, it also lets you know what they recently changed.

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Cathy Wynne: Yeah, it's always useful.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or updates, or updates that they've brought in, new features, so that's… it's good to do.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And here's a question from Chris.

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Chris Edwards: Well, Graham, regarding your mention of the newsletter,

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Chris Edwards: In that newsletter, there was a bit about tithe plot boundaries.

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Chris Edwards: Is that the same as cadastral parcels, or something completely different?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Now, it's what you get in your parish online under Somerset HER, the tithe maps of the tithe maps as they used to be back in the 19th century.

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Chris Edwards: Nope.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And what they're really good for is, as you've experienced yourself, is showing you where the water flooded 150 years ago, and why there should be no reason for it not to flood out all those houses that have been built since.

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Chris Edwards: jump.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So the tithe maps are really useful, but they tend to be quite old.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's more than 100 years old, I think, most of them.

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Chris Edwards: Okay.

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Chris Edwards: Thank you.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: They're good stuff.

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Chris Edwards: Yep.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And really useful for tracking down,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Why does water suddenly start come pouring out of my basement walls or something? You can point to the fact that you built your house on top of a well-known stream.

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Chris Edwards: True.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And…

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Chris Edwards: And one other question, if you don't mind. Table view upgrades. Do you know what upgrades they're referring to?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, they actually did point it out, didn't they, in the newsletter? Let me drag… you've got the newsletter online? Can you just share your screen?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: more than…

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Chris Edwards: No, because it's gonna… no, it's gonna take me ages.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, okay, well, let's go look at mine, hang on a second.

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Chris Edwards: I mean, while you're doing that.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. I'll just…

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Chris Edwards: Go… Oop.

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Chris Edwards: I've lost… I, I've, I've… I've lost my maps.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do you remember the goon show?

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tristram cary: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There was a lovely issue when they were doing a balloon trip across Africa.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they hadn't been going for more than a few days when the food ran out, and then you could hear this little thing running away into the distance, and Eddie Seagoon calling back, come back, food!

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So when you say your maps have disappeared, Chris, I wonder whether they just run out on you.

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tristram cary: That's very odd, where have they gone?

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Chris Edwards: I don't know, I mean, you can, you can, you can see…

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tristram cary: It's very pure.

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Chris Edwards: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you, are you sharing your screen? I haven't looked.

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\
Chris Edwards: Yes.

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\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: I was going to…

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\
Chris Edwards: go to…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, because you turned down… it's because you turned down the transparency. No, it does.

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tristram cary: No, no, no, it's up from Baxom.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. Oh, it is maximum, okay. Do a regular refresh, then.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Andrew will come back then.

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Cathy Wynne: belongs, I mean? Yeah.

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Cathy Wynne: Should be finished.

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Chris Edwards: Oh, there we are.

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Cathy Wynne: Well, yeah, for me.

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Chris Edwards: So, if I very quickly go into, We've got my… the synths.

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Chris Edwards: And we go into… sorry, table view.

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Chris Edwards: So here's table view, but I wouldn't know what upgrades

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Chris Edwards: I'm looking for it, but I seem to remember they said that they were doing a much better job on the filtering. So if you look at something like addresses, that's a 50MB file.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: or 50 gigawatt, it's pretty huge, and taking… putting a filter on and so forth took a lot of time.

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Chris Edwards: Should I be seeing the word addresses here?

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tristram cary: I know you had the dresses back in the beginning.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm just looking to see.

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Chris Edwards: Yeah?

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tristram cary: I can't hear anybody now.

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Chris Edwards: I thought you were talking about, like, a column which said addresses.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Earlier the address space.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So…

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Chris Edwards: I'll come out of that.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think… If you had…

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\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Gone. If you can choose the layer in the top left corner, Chris.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just… You should go in there as a table view.

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Chris Edwards: Yeah, I've just been in there.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, now go up to the top where it says Layer, top left corner.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Top left corner, and change that, yeah, change that to address space.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So it says address space plus points, last one down there? Yeah, just select the bottom one, that one.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, so there's now 3 million records there, and putting a filter on those used to take quite a while. I think what they've done is really speed up the time that the filter takes to work.

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Chris Edwards: Oh, I see. Yup.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it's just a… I think it's generally a speed-up. I don't think it's anything particularly new. Let me just… I'm just reading the…

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Chris Edwards: So, if I was to sort of narrow that down.

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Chris Edwards: I'm looking for the word parish.

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Chris Edwards: I can't find it.

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tristram cary: Well, parish… well… Parish might be an address point.

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Chris Edwards: Let's just see…

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Chris Edwards: Let's just see… No, I've still got other stuff.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, no, no, you haven't clicked on the sort yet. Click on the bottom one. Go back up to the value, yes, come down one to the drop-down there, click on that.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That'll do it for you.

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Chris Edwards: Oh, yes, there we are.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I was very impressed to see how fast that was.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: that sorted 37 million records in… down to 39 in a fraction of a second. It was very good.

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Chris Edwards: There we go.

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Chris Edwards: Thanks to the tip, that's great.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

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Chris Edwards: Right, I'll stop my screen share.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, so let me just check with everybody. Chris has still got his hand up, but that's the old leftover, is it?

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Chris Edwards: Oh, yep, sorry.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Is there anyone who has any other question that they'd like us to answer?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because otherwise, I'm going to formally declare that the weekend has started.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I've got a Labrador, and he's walking…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Before the rain comes roaring in.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nobody else. Well, thank you all very much for your time. I hope it's been helpful. Stuart, I hope you're going to enjoy the fresh air out there.

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tristram cary: Nice. See you all next week, and thank you for coming. Thank you, thank you. Bye.

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