Normal questions having been answered, Graham takes us on the step-by-step actions known to have the best chance of getting data from Local Authorities (District and County Councils, Unitaries)
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00:50:21 Graham Stoddart-Stones: This is where to find previous sessions: https://chagos.gitbook.io/parish-online/
00:54:13 David Newman: What are the INSPIRE download and view services?
01:14:35 David Newman: bye got another Zoom to go to.
01:15:49 Charlotte Tayor: Thank you everyone, it has been really useful. I have to go to another meeting now,
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52 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:06.419 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It should be. We're just hanging on a bit because there should be a few more people threatening to join, at least, if not actually showing up.
53 00:06:14.790 --> 00:06:20.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Perhaps whilst we're waiting, Claire, you suggested yesterday you had something you'd like help with.
54 00:06:20.910 --> 00:06:49.635 Claire Mann: Yes, please. So I need to divide the area of Malsbury up into similar size chunks to do an audit on signs. Signage. You know, just this general stage of in condition of things, and when I tried to do it kept sort of changing the scale. You know, if I, and and overlapping. So I just wasn't sure if there was like an easy way to do that.
55 00:06:50.741 --> 00:06:56.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones: This is probably our expert in this area. Is John. Are you interested in taking this one on John.
56 00:06:57.830 --> 00:06:58.420 John Roberts: Huh!
57 00:06:58.620 --> 00:07:02.540 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I knew there was a reason why I had been here for a couple of weeks.
58 00:07:03.450 --> 00:07:04.630 John Roberts: Hello, Claire.
59 00:07:04.830 --> 00:07:05.930 Claire Mann: Hi.
60 00:07:05.930 --> 00:07:08.269 John Roberts: Say you want to divide it up. In what way.
61 00:07:08.780 --> 00:07:26.400 Claire Mann: So I want to print off map areas like street areas, and you know each. So there's I think there's about 8 councillors, and that there's going to be a load of volunteers doing it as well, just so that we can like Mark off who's looked at what and what's been checked over.
62 00:07:27.100 --> 00:07:29.380 John Roberts: Right. Okay? Bearing in mind that
63 00:07:29.670 --> 00:07:34.079 John Roberts: my village of Nether Stowe is considerably smaller than Malmesbury.
64 00:07:35.590 --> 00:07:37.920 John Roberts: I'll share my screen a moment, if I may.
65 00:07:38.170 --> 00:07:39.256 Claire Mann: Thank you.
66 00:07:44.080 --> 00:07:47.149 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm just gonna go and have a look and see who else we're waiting for.
67 00:07:48.210 --> 00:07:53.169 John Roberts: Right. I'm assuming that you are now looking at my parish online map. Yes.
68 00:07:53.170 --> 00:07:53.695 Claire Mann: Yes.
69 00:07:54.220 --> 00:07:58.669 John Roberts: Because the unfortunate thing with Zoom. I can't see what you can know.
70 00:07:59.810 --> 00:08:05.240 John Roberts: What we we had a similar thing where? Because we've got a small medieval village.
71 00:08:06.230 --> 00:08:13.690 John Roberts: I wanted to know how different properties interlace with each other, and
72 00:08:16.620 --> 00:08:22.229 John Roberts: all of this leads to that. And basically it's polygons.
73 00:08:23.710 --> 00:08:26.699 John Roberts: I'll go through. How you do it in a minute. But.
74 00:08:29.690 --> 00:08:33.669 Claire Mann: Oh, yeah, I have. I have done something similar to that before. Yeah.
75 00:08:33.950 --> 00:08:37.160 John Roberts: And then, basically, I got I went.
76 00:08:38.450 --> 00:08:46.609 John Roberts: I did it by streets so that I could see how each one interacted with the rest.
77 00:08:47.497 --> 00:08:48.539 Claire Mann: Oh, right? Okay.
78 00:08:51.810 --> 00:08:57.810 John Roberts: I found Yard is a good example, which is this one. It goes back behind all these houses.
79 00:08:59.420 --> 00:09:00.240 Claire Mann: Yeah.
80 00:09:00.789 --> 00:09:05.969 John Roberts: So I I split the streets up into north and south or east and west, and did it that way.
81 00:09:06.630 --> 00:09:17.190 Claire Mann: Can I? Can I print those areas off separately? Or how would it just be you? I just show them that's their area to look at.
82 00:09:17.190 --> 00:09:24.880 John Roberts: No, you can do it in different colors, as I've done. Which, and Graham will probably laugh in a minute, because I'm 1 of the ones that's colorblind.
83 00:09:25.875 --> 00:09:30.059 John Roberts: But yeah, you can do it. And another.
84 00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:36.880 John Roberts: The way of distributing the whole lot is, if we then created
85 00:09:44.100 --> 00:09:46.710 John Roberts: I'm old fashioned. Don't worry about the way I'm doing it.
86 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:49.280 John Roberts: We then created a public map.
87 00:09:50.130 --> 00:09:53.469 John Roberts: Now I'm not sure now how I'm gonna show you, though.
88 00:09:57.460 --> 00:09:58.980 John Roberts: unless Graham helps me.
89 00:09:59.590 --> 00:10:06.329 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, you you've you've copied it. So just do a control. V. There in the new tab in the new tab. Do a control. V.
90 00:10:07.530 --> 00:10:10.220 John Roberts: Yeah, I I don't know if you can see it. That's what I was thinking.
91 00:10:10.220 --> 00:10:13.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, not yet. But you need to type it. It hasn't gone in.
92 00:10:14.070 --> 00:10:17.819 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There you go. So now press, enter. There we go. Yeah. Good. Well done.
93 00:10:17.820 --> 00:10:20.149 John Roberts: You actually, you can see that map as well. Now.
94 00:10:20.150 --> 00:10:20.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes.
95 00:10:20.530 --> 00:10:21.340 Claire Mann: Yeah.
96 00:10:21.340 --> 00:10:24.510 John Roberts: Right. So forget the stream.
97 00:10:25.400 --> 00:10:33.790 John Roberts: But then those layers you can ask the anybody who views that map can pick up or switch off those layers as they want to.
98 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:37.950 Claire Mann: So how? How did you do that then?
99 00:10:39.730 --> 00:10:40.440 John Roberts: Right?
100 00:10:40.740 --> 00:10:42.340 John Roberts: What create a public map.
101 00:10:42.674 --> 00:10:46.975 Claire Mann: Yeah. So I mean, I've got the idea of. I mean, I might have to come back to you on this
102 00:10:47.180 --> 00:10:51.170 John Roberts: No, that's okay. That's okay. That's what I'm here for.
103 00:10:51.190 --> 00:10:58.299 Claire Mann: So yeah, I can. I can do I've done a polygon. And I you know I've I've I've sussed that out before.
104 00:10:59.390 --> 00:11:00.070 Claire Mann: So it is.
105 00:11:00.450 --> 00:11:01.669 Claire Mann: This bit.
106 00:11:02.130 --> 00:11:04.209 John Roberts: Right. Hang on a minute. I'll go back to.
107 00:11:05.670 --> 00:11:08.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Could I just make a suggestion, John?
108 00:11:08.310 --> 00:11:09.779 John Roberts: Yeah. By all means, sir.
109 00:11:09.780 --> 00:11:11.332 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I just wondered if
110 00:11:12.770 --> 00:11:24.189 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Claire knows how she wants to divide Malmesbury up, I mean, is it so that each councillor has the same number of streets approximately, or do you just want them to each to a sort of a square kilometre, or something like that?
111 00:11:24.503 --> 00:11:31.089 Claire Mann: Yeah, I'd say the same kind of area. I haven't really given it a huge amount of thought. But this
112 00:11:31.830 --> 00:11:34.920 Claire Mann: this is kind of my starting point. Really.
113 00:11:35.280 --> 00:11:39.129 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, so I'm sorry, I interrupted. John. You carry on with your public mapping.
114 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:42.379 John Roberts: Right. Well, 1st of all, I was gonna go to
115 00:11:44.860 --> 00:11:48.199 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep, I'll I'll pick an easy one.
116 00:11:49.180 --> 00:11:54.289 John Roberts: One of the things I do is I've got layers that I can use as test layers.
117 00:11:55.150 --> 00:11:57.859 John Roberts: So I'm going to put a polygon around this field.
118 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:06.200 John Roberts: But all you need to do initially is, do a rough outline.
119 00:12:06.550 --> 00:12:09.280 Claire Mann: Quick and dirty was what Graham said to me before.
120 00:12:10.530 --> 00:12:11.863 John Roberts: That's it.
121 00:12:14.160 --> 00:12:16.130 John Roberts: But then that.
122 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:17.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, just save it.
123 00:12:17.570 --> 00:12:19.920 John Roberts: Yeah, no, I forgot to say, I always do that
124 00:12:21.140 --> 00:12:23.690 John Roberts: right. If I now click on that polygon.
125 00:12:27.880 --> 00:12:29.279 John Roberts: I can bring it up.
126 00:12:31.160 --> 00:12:36.599 John Roberts: Go to the little pencil, and I can pick that polygon up
127 00:12:37.820 --> 00:12:41.610 John Roberts: and actually then start defining it more accurately.
128 00:12:42.470 --> 00:12:44.729 John Roberts: And you can do that around the whole polygon.
129 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:53.370 Claire Mann: Which is a great interest to you, Claire. If you're trying to divide the system up into particular streets and so forth, you can put the down the street level.
130 00:12:54.070 --> 00:12:57.869 John Roberts: And it's easier to do as Graham says. Do it quick and dirty.
131 00:12:58.220 --> 00:13:00.310 John Roberts: and then spend a little bit of time.
132 00:13:02.010 --> 00:13:07.419 John Roberts: and wherever you put that mouse it will create somewhere where you can move the lines.
133 00:13:10.550 --> 00:13:16.069 John Roberts: So we did it quick and dirty. But now we've got it accurate, and we just press save.
134 00:13:17.290 --> 00:13:18.850 John Roberts: does that bit make sense.
135 00:13:18.850 --> 00:13:20.180 Claire Mann: Yes, I've got that.
136 00:13:20.180 --> 00:13:20.610 Claire Mann: Okay.
137 00:13:20.610 --> 00:13:21.210 Claire Mann: Phone.
138 00:13:21.210 --> 00:13:22.860 John Roberts: And okay, that's all right.
139 00:13:26.580 --> 00:13:28.240 John Roberts: With the public map. Okay.
140 00:13:31.460 --> 00:13:32.620 John Roberts: administration.
141 00:13:34.230 --> 00:13:35.880 Claire Mann: Sorry. Where? Where was that?
142 00:13:36.210 --> 00:13:37.640 John Roberts: Right. Hang on! I'll go back.
143 00:13:37.640 --> 00:13:38.380 Claire Mann: Sorry.
144 00:13:38.500 --> 00:13:42.610 John Roberts: No, no, no, no! I I tend to race away, and I do apologize.
145 00:13:43.150 --> 00:13:49.580 John Roberts: If you go up to the cogwheel at the top right hand corner, where my mouse is.
146 00:13:49.580 --> 00:13:54.799 Claire Mann: Yeah, I can't see it, because I've got people saying, okay, yes. Yeah. I see. Yeah.
147 00:13:55.710 --> 00:13:58.350 John Roberts: Click on that and go to administration.
148 00:13:58.820 --> 00:14:00.610 Claire Mann: Okay. Perfect maps.
149 00:14:00.810 --> 00:14:03.469 John Roberts: And then you'll get all your layers come up here.
150 00:14:04.170 --> 00:14:07.179 John Roberts: It can be a bit slow, but ignore that for a moment.
151 00:14:07.370 --> 00:14:08.960 John Roberts: Go to public maps.
152 00:14:10.040 --> 00:14:10.840 John Roberts: Add.
153 00:14:12.270 --> 00:14:17.579 John Roberts: it will then ask you what kind of map you want, and I normally choose the the one in the middle.
154 00:14:20.170 --> 00:14:21.370 John Roberts: Go next.
155 00:14:24.370 --> 00:14:29.480 John Roberts: You can then select the layers that you want to include on that map.
156 00:14:30.890 --> 00:14:34.280 John Roberts: And basically we go Castle Street north.
157 00:14:34.740 --> 00:14:39.860 John Roberts: and it goes it goes across. I don't know why, I'm pointing at the screen. It goes across the other side
158 00:14:40.640 --> 00:14:47.070 John Roberts: Castle Street, South Car Park, Shirt, Centreland. They're there.
159 00:14:48.550 --> 00:14:56.329 John Roberts: It will then say next, these are all all the layers that are not parish layers
160 00:14:57.770 --> 00:14:59.074 John Roberts: that are on
161 00:14:59.620 --> 00:15:04.499 John Roberts: parish online. And in your case. And in my case, we won't need any of those.
162 00:15:05.560 --> 00:15:07.060 John Roberts: So I go next.
163 00:15:12.680 --> 00:15:14.670 John Roberts: Take that as the center point.
164 00:15:18.090 --> 00:15:28.119 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just if I can add in a point, Claire, the the that purpose of that previous screen was just to determine what part of the map shows up when people 1st go into it.
165 00:15:28.250 --> 00:15:31.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: just so they can orient themselves.
166 00:15:31.810 --> 00:15:35.240 John Roberts: Right now on this bit map title.
167 00:15:36.060 --> 00:15:39.959 John Roberts: It pays to give it a name, otherwise you'll never find it again.
168 00:15:40.730 --> 00:15:47.970 John Roberts: And then you've got the tools you want. Layer control, which I've left switched on on mine so that people can switch layers on and off
169 00:15:49.050 --> 00:15:57.489 John Roberts: layer, query and postcode search which you may need on what you're doing. So people can actually search your map via the postcode.
170 00:15:59.100 --> 00:16:00.150 Claire Mann: Okay.
171 00:16:00.610 --> 00:16:02.680 John Roberts: And this, this is the layers we're looking at
172 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:08.469 John Roberts: once. You've done that and saved it.
173 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:12.510 John Roberts: You'll get the earl, which is what I use just now.
174 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:22.419 John Roberts: And you also get the embedded code which, if you want to, whoever does your website for you, they can embed that code within your website.
175 00:16:23.110 --> 00:16:27.250 John Roberts: So people can click on the link on your website, and it will bring up this public map.
176 00:16:27.930 --> 00:16:28.430 Claire Mann: Okay.
177 00:16:28.430 --> 00:16:34.069 John Roberts: Or or you copy the Earl, and you can email that earl to somebody.
178 00:16:34.750 --> 00:16:36.300 John Roberts: and then they can find it.
179 00:16:37.230 --> 00:16:39.349 John Roberts: So if we then go.
180 00:16:44.050 --> 00:16:46.480 John Roberts: That's the public map we've just created
181 00:16:46.750 --> 00:16:50.640 John Roberts: with the the areas we chose and.
182 00:16:50.640 --> 00:16:51.290 Claire Mann: Okay.
183 00:16:51.520 --> 00:16:56.379 John Roberts: We can then switch them on or off as we wish.
184 00:16:58.590 --> 00:17:01.640 John Roberts: So if if what sorry carry on.
185 00:17:01.870 --> 00:17:04.030 Claire Mann: No, I I said, brilliant, okay.
186 00:17:04.520 --> 00:17:07.910 John Roberts: So if you've got somebody you want them to do just that straight.
187 00:17:08.470 --> 00:17:10.229 John Roberts: you can just do that straight.
188 00:17:11.959 --> 00:17:19.946 Claire Mann: Okay? I mean, yeah. So my mine aren't gonna be houses per se. They are going to be streets and areas. So
189 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:24.859 Claire Mann: I mean, my polygons would just need to be really quite sort of basic.
190 00:17:25.821 --> 00:17:33.329 Claire Mann: But I I could see how you know, I I can do that quite simply, hopefully.
191 00:17:33.500 --> 00:17:36.790 John Roberts: And one aspect of doing what we've done.
192 00:17:37.330 --> 00:17:41.929 John Roberts: And this is something I just I, Graham, might have to help me. I sometimes get wrong.
193 00:17:43.410 --> 00:17:46.000 John Roberts: if we've got that area there.
194 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.880 John Roberts: So I can click on that area castle straight. No.
195 00:17:54.260 --> 00:17:56.359 John Roberts: that's why I'm looking for data extract.
196 00:18:03.350 --> 00:18:08.480 John Roberts: click on address points, postal address.
197 00:18:09.850 --> 00:18:12.259 John Roberts: no filter, and if I go run.
198 00:18:14.420 --> 00:18:16.330 John Roberts: there's all the addresses on that
199 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:19.510 John Roberts: side of the street that we've just done.
200 00:18:20.280 --> 00:18:23.470 Claire Mann: Oh, okay, and.
201 00:18:23.470 --> 00:18:25.949 John Roberts: It worked. It worked. For once. Graham.
202 00:18:25.950 --> 00:18:31.399 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, it's very good. What what I would point out for Claire is on the bottom left. There's an export button, which means.
203 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:32.980 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, I was getting there.
204 00:18:32.980 --> 00:18:34.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, I'll leave it to you.
205 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:36.610 John Roberts: With the export button.
206 00:18:39.120 --> 00:18:42.300 John Roberts: You can then download it as a Cf.
207 00:18:43.990 --> 00:18:46.130 John Roberts: I've forgotten Csv file.
208 00:18:46.360 --> 00:18:46.830 Claire Mann: Yeah.
209 00:18:46.830 --> 00:18:49.150 John Roberts: So you can put, you can then take it into a spreadsheet.
210 00:18:50.270 --> 00:18:52.570 John Roberts: Excellent. Okay. Thank you.
211 00:18:52.570 --> 00:18:55.850 John Roberts: Any area you create as a polygon
212 00:18:56.320 --> 00:18:58.689 John Roberts: wherever it is. If you go
213 00:18:59.530 --> 00:19:02.859 John Roberts: as I've just done with data extract, which is this one here.
214 00:19:03.900 --> 00:19:08.680 John Roberts: you can extract information from that area we've chosen addresses
215 00:19:09.197 --> 00:19:13.020 John Roberts: it, you can extract other data provided it's within parish online.
216 00:19:13.970 --> 00:19:15.850 Claire Mann: Lovely. Thank you very much.
217 00:19:15.850 --> 00:19:16.629 John Roberts: Is that okay?
218 00:19:16.660 --> 00:19:19.100 Claire Mann: I think so. Thank you very much. Yes.
219 00:19:19.100 --> 00:19:20.540 John Roberts: No no problem.
220 00:19:20.540 --> 00:19:35.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones: One other thing, Claire, that you can do is that you can then have people report back to with their spreadsheets, which streets they've done, or which ones they, whichever it is that you're are you passing out posters or canvassing support, or whatever it is you're doing, they can let you know.
221 00:19:36.260 --> 00:19:41.320 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you can also put it back into parish online if you want to.
222 00:19:41.570 --> 00:19:44.878 Graham Stoddart-Stones: if if that's useful, and the
223 00:19:46.050 --> 00:19:55.020 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the last thing I was going to mention is that once you've done a public map, then any changes you make to parish online after that.
224 00:19:55.180 --> 00:20:00.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: automatically get reflected on the public map, you don't need to update it. It updates itself.
225 00:20:01.010 --> 00:20:01.780 Claire Mann: Okay.
226 00:20:01.780 --> 00:20:05.220 John Roberts: If you, if you were to change any of the layers we've been looking at.
227 00:20:05.340 --> 00:20:08.859 John Roberts: If they're connected to the public map, the public map will change.
228 00:20:09.560 --> 00:20:14.390 John Roberts: So you're only working on the one map. You're not having to go through and change a lot of things.
229 00:20:14.970 --> 00:20:16.639 Claire Mann: Okay. Thank you.
230 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:19.020 John Roberts: But but
231 00:20:19.670 --> 00:20:24.230 John Roberts: feel, you know, if if you need to come back, and we can always go through it again.
232 00:20:24.650 --> 00:20:26.719 Claire Mann: Brilliant. Thank you very much for your help.
233 00:20:27.760 --> 00:20:38.309 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, let me say hello to new arrivals, David Chloe. And let me just check if anyone has any other questions, Helen, I'm coming to you shortly.
234 00:20:38.310 --> 00:20:39.460 Helen Davey: Okay. Thank you.
235 00:20:40.030 --> 00:20:41.169 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Anybody else.
236 00:20:41.560 --> 00:20:44.700 chris edwards: I've got a very quick query, Graham.
237 00:20:45.170 --> 00:20:46.699 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Go for it, Chris.
238 00:20:46.700 --> 00:20:51.990 chris edwards: Okay, so let me share my screen.
239 00:20:56.850 --> 00:21:05.659 chris edwards: Okay, my query is this, I want to introduce a new person to parish online within our parish.
240 00:21:05.830 --> 00:21:09.490 chris edwards: So I've got the details of the person here.
241 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:13.319 chris edwards: Let me get rid of the photographs of everybody
242 00:21:13.550 --> 00:21:16.670 chris edwards: on the right hand side. User details.
243 00:21:17.970 --> 00:21:27.669 chris edwards: Now, do I click on, send password, reset or click on, get password, reset link to set up.
244 00:21:28.587 --> 00:21:31.269 chris edwards: A new person on parish online.
245 00:21:31.950 --> 00:21:34.540 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You want them to set up the password, or do you.
246 00:21:34.540 --> 00:21:35.790 chris edwards: No, I usually do it.
247 00:21:35.790 --> 00:21:36.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Wouldn't.
248 00:21:36.210 --> 00:21:39.370 chris edwards: I usually do it. Send send
249 00:21:41.780 --> 00:21:46.619 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, in other words, when you create the record and you send the password reset, they get that.
250 00:21:47.080 --> 00:21:51.319 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and they they. They know that they have to change the password.
251 00:21:51.500 --> 00:22:01.389 chris edwards: Yes. So I've always come unstuck on this. So do I click on. Send password reset. I mean, I'm gonna send this to parish online. Of course.
252 00:22:02.600 --> 00:22:06.809 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, this is not no, it's not gonna go to parish online.
253 00:22:07.252 --> 00:22:16.619 chris edwards: All it does is send it to that email address. So it lets the new user you've created know that he's got an account. And what his login password is.
254 00:22:16.940 --> 00:22:19.579 chris edwards: So this, this is the one I click on.
255 00:22:19.580 --> 00:22:20.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes.
256 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:22.750 chris edwards: Okay, that's lovely. Thank you very much indeed.
257 00:22:22.750 --> 00:22:24.620 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm glad to be so useful.
258 00:22:25.011 --> 00:22:33.640 chris edwards: Now, can I? Can. I just come back with something for Claire if I go on to maps.
259 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:34.350 Helen Davey: Okay.
260 00:22:35.504 --> 00:22:40.150 chris edwards: Following on from what John said, here's my little parish.
261 00:22:40.380 --> 00:22:49.170 chris edwards: one little thing which I would mention if you go down to addresses and postcode areas.
262 00:22:52.410 --> 00:22:58.550 chris edwards: You know. Possibly somebody could do a couple of small postcode areas
263 00:22:58.950 --> 00:23:03.520 chris edwards: and then go on to one person doing that large postcode area
264 00:23:03.710 --> 00:23:08.880 chris edwards: and divide up the streets according to postcodes.
265 00:23:09.870 --> 00:23:11.420 chris edwards: Do you think that might work.
266 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:22.249 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I suspect that Martelsham has many more than 8 postcodes. But yes, I think it's a very easy way to section the city, because it's already done for you.
267 00:23:22.540 --> 00:23:23.430 chris edwards: Yeah, yeah.
268 00:23:23.980 --> 00:23:26.260 chris edwards: Anyway, that's just just a thought.
269 00:23:26.650 --> 00:23:29.079 chris edwards: So I'll stop sharing now.
270 00:23:29.490 --> 00:23:31.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It was a nice thought. Thanks, Chris.
271 00:23:31.070 --> 00:23:31.710 chris edwards: Cool.
272 00:23:31.710 --> 00:23:39.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Anybody else got anything before we move on to getting capsule data layers for you.
273 00:23:40.100 --> 00:23:42.220 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So let me share my screen.
274 00:23:45.080 --> 00:23:52.669 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and we're going to go through a presentation which will be on the wiki at the end of the show, or at least shortly after.
275 00:23:52.940 --> 00:23:57.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if it doesn't cover everything you want to know. Let me know.
276 00:23:58.100 --> 00:24:03.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So hopefully, everyone can see the screen that says we don't want you. Go away.
277 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:04.600 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Go away.
278 00:24:04.870 --> 00:24:06.869 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So this is how to get data.
279 00:24:09.390 --> 00:24:15.709 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I just sort of like to set the context for people who are not sure.
280 00:24:15.820 --> 00:24:31.269 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So the local authorities by which I mean District Councils, county Councils, unitaries, all collect all sorts of data already. They've already got it. So most of the stuff that you want is probably already on a computer somewhere.
281 00:24:31.760 --> 00:24:42.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and because it's all been paid for by public money, it's available to you, unless there's some personal information in there that the Council is not permitted to export. But.
282 00:24:44.660 --> 00:24:57.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the vast majority is available to you. It's stored digitally in a geographic information system, and therefore it's actually a piece of cake for them to export it to you, but they probably don't know that.
283 00:24:58.040 --> 00:25:08.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So they're not much into exporting data from their systems, and they certainly aren't used to parishes having facilities that are compatible with their systems.
284 00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:14.789 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you need to know that parish online is compatible with all Giss.
285 00:25:15.100 --> 00:25:19.789 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and that it's a piece of cake for them to export, but because they don't do it.
286 00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:28.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones: they're not familiar with that. And there's a lot of education involved in getting data out of local authorities. They need to be taught that
287 00:25:28.580 --> 00:25:33.969 Graham Stoddart-Stones: you have a use for the data, and you have a system that can work with theirs
288 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:48.710 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and a lot of them just simply don't realise how helpful the information they've got can be. So you wonder why they bother collecting all the public right of way information if they don't publicize it. But that's the way of the beast. Sometimes.
289 00:25:49.570 --> 00:26:08.929 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The other thing that's worth remembering is that geosphere is doing this every day of the week, and so they're very fast and very good at it, and you frequently get the complaint from the local authorities that they don't have the resources all the time to answer your query.
290 00:26:09.100 --> 00:26:10.829 Graham Stoddart-Stones: to which you retort
291 00:26:10.970 --> 00:26:16.129 Graham Stoddart-Stones: cheerfully that it doesn't matter, because it's all going to get done for them for free.
292 00:26:16.340 --> 00:26:19.349 Graham Stoddart-Stones: All they've got to do is be able to point
293 00:26:19.550 --> 00:26:22.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: parish online at the right address.
294 00:26:23.190 --> 00:26:29.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And there are problems with that. So again, this is an issue of our understanding as well as their understanding. So
295 00:26:31.070 --> 00:26:49.629 Graham Stoddart-Stones: when you start talking to people up at the local authority level, they often don't know a what data they've got or B, who owns it. I know that sounds weird, but there are all these sort of silos set up in any bureaucracy, and they seem to be particularly good at
296 00:26:50.140 --> 00:27:12.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones: local government level in this country that they just are not always knowledgeable of. You can't find a person who knows exactly where something is. So there may be a time involved whilst they identify who owns the data, and then, whether it's it's available to be published as it is, or whether they have to do something carefully, to make sure that no private data gets exported.
297 00:27:13.150 --> 00:27:15.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then we have run into issues where
298 00:27:16.110 --> 00:27:27.089 Graham Stoddart-Stones: highway information is a revenue generator for the Council, and they're a bit concerned that if they make it freely available via parish online, then it stops being a revenue generator.
299 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:33.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm not sure how valid that is, but I just let you know that we've come across these objections in the past.
300 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:42.439 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So the 1st question you have really is. Do we already get information from our local authority.
301 00:27:42.890 --> 00:27:47.939 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and the way to find that is, to look through your beige layers of
302 00:27:48.070 --> 00:27:53.620 Graham Stoddart-Stones: collections here to see if there's anything that resembles your local name.
303 00:27:53.720 --> 00:28:08.220 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and in our case in Somerset we've got stuff issued by the unitary. We've got stuff that's still issued and still updated by the District Council, even though in theory there isn't a District Council any longer. So that's South Somerset District Council.
304 00:28:09.860 --> 00:28:22.699 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and there are others that might be relevant which contain the same word. So you can always go up to the search button up here. The magnifying glass click on that type in the name of your
305 00:28:22.930 --> 00:28:31.349 Graham Stoddart-Stones: county or district, and see whether they are already exporting to parish online, because sometimes you just don't realise it's already there.
306 00:28:32.420 --> 00:28:36.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, assuming that they do export.
307 00:28:36.400 --> 00:29:00.849 Graham Stoddart-Stones: you may or may not get what you're looking for, and the amount of information that's exported varies quite a lot. Now this is a bit of an out of date slide, because I took it before the unitary in Somerset started grabbing all the information from what their ex districts were, and they started shipping that out. So the number of layers of data coming from Somerset unitary now is now a bit closer to 20.
308 00:29:01.210 --> 00:29:13.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The District Council, on the other hand, was much more amenable to exporting their data, and a lot of this had to do with the fact that they use Xmap, which is Parish online's elder brother
309 00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:22.039 Graham Stoddart-Stones: as their Gis. So it was just. The the 2 are almost permanently linked. So it's a piece of cake for them to say, yes, export all of this lot.
310 00:29:22.470 --> 00:29:26.340 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And there is a funny story associated with this
311 00:29:26.580 --> 00:29:51.099 Graham Stoddart-Stones: in that often the 1st question you get asked, and we'll be addressing this shortly is, what do you want? And because you've got no idea what they've got, you say, send me everything, and then they don't know what they've got or what they want to send you. So you go backwards and forwards, addressing so earlier on, or rather sorry later on, I suggest that we start very, very simply, with just 2 or 3 layers and go from there.
312 00:29:51.520 --> 00:30:01.099 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But you see, the Heritage department is quite handy. We've had a lot of fun with the tithe maps, which have been very helpful, particularly in Somerset, of
313 00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:14.169 Graham Stoddart-Stones: identifying flood areas which were flooded a hundred 50 years ago, and it comes as a vast surprise to modern councils that the fields that flooded a hundred 50 years ago are still prone to flooding now.
314 00:30:14.940 --> 00:30:22.600 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, depending on where you are around the country, you get very different results in terms of how many layers get exported to you.
315 00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:45.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So there are more than 400 being exported by Baines. You've got the numbers here coming from Somerset, and you've got plenty of counties that vie for the title of being the worst possible of all exports, because they don't send out anything, and you may well be in a county that does that. To which case, lucky you. You've got all this battle to go through.
316 00:30:45.850 --> 00:30:50.170 Graham Stoddart-Stones: all right. So what is the battle? Well, the very 1st step to take
317 00:30:50.570 --> 00:31:00.279 Graham Stoddart-Stones: is to make a list of the layers that you'd like to import and keep it short. So the stuff that you really do find useful but don't have at the moment
318 00:31:00.430 --> 00:31:10.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones: might be the the ones that they all have up at the upper layers are public rights of way. So your footpaths and your bridle paths, and so forth, which is very
319 00:31:11.110 --> 00:31:17.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones: useful to your villagers, who want to go hiking around the local footpaths and so forth.
320 00:31:18.360 --> 00:31:33.720 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's a good one to start with. We found recently that waste bins and gullies have been particularly helpful, particularly as the councils are running out of money, and they're trying to move the workload down to parish level.
321 00:31:33.810 --> 00:31:49.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and the 1st thing that the parishes say is, well, where are these waste bins? Where are the gullies that you want us to keep clear. So gullies and waste bins are a good choice, at least to get you started, because you know that they're going to have that data up there somewhere.
322 00:31:50.173 --> 00:32:06.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then we'll go into this in depth in a minute. But your your next step, once, you know, you've come up with 2 or 3 items that you really really want to get. And for those of you I forgot to mention that planning applications are obviously very interested
323 00:32:06.130 --> 00:32:08.849 Graham Stoddart-Stones: or interesting to people at the village level.
324 00:32:09.040 --> 00:32:16.759 Graham Stoddart-Stones: go to the appropriate page in the knowledge base in parish online and go through the steps in the
325 00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:19.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones: article called Council Data.
326 00:32:20.140 --> 00:32:43.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And we're going to go through those steps in a minute. So just note that this is the most important step you can make, and the second step you do after making your list is follow the steps of the knowledge base. And there are 2 reasons for this. One is that the knowledge base instructions are very clear on how you can help identify whether your local council is
327 00:32:43.370 --> 00:32:45.729 Graham Stoddart-Stones: exporting data already.
328 00:32:45.840 --> 00:33:07.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the second thing is that parish online won't help you until you have acknowledged that you've gone through these steps, by which point you should at least have been able to come up with the name of somebody for them to talk to. They're not in the business of finding out whom you should be talking to in the local council area. That's your job.
329 00:33:07.530 --> 00:33:14.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And these instructions in step 2 should help you identify that. So that's why we're going to go through them individually in a minute.
330 00:33:15.690 --> 00:33:24.229 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So there are 3 or 4 steps in the knowledge, base instruction, one of them will be applicable to you. So take the appropriate action.
331 00:33:24.650 --> 00:33:46.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and that should be in most cases all that you need to do, but if not, then you're going to have to work a little bit harder. You need to find the name of the person with whom to deal at your appropriate authority. That name may be listed on their website, such as the head of it, or the head of Gis, or whatever.
332 00:33:47.060 --> 00:33:57.739 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But if you can't find that, then you need to go to a person whose title is something along the line of director of client service, or they have a customer service department or something.
333 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:12.499 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and the point to remember from your point of view, is that you are one of their clients. They are obliged to give you service, and they're actually obliged by law to give you the information you're asking for, provided it isn't personal.
334 00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:33.639 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you might. You got right on your side, although you're often told that that's nonsense, but not to worry. It's worth remembering that the director of Client services or the Client Service department is mandated to help you. That's what they're there for, and and usually the head of that department. The director has the clout
335 00:34:33.750 --> 00:34:47.369 Graham Stoddart-Stones: to go with the job to knock the heads, the people who are not giving you the service that you require and say, Do it. So you go to these people. If you've not been able to get any help anywhere else like finding out who's the head of it, and asking them
336 00:34:50.590 --> 00:35:00.100 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So once you have the name of the person that you're looking for and email them and ask them for help with exporting those 2 or 3 layers you're asking for from their Gis.
337 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:01.500 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and
338 00:35:01.780 --> 00:35:28.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones: they should give you the name of the person who will actually help you with work. Once you have that person, then let him know again what you're involved with and send copy your email to support@geosphere.com, because they will take it from there because you identified the person. And you've identified the data, which is the specific information they're looking for. And remember, once they've got that information, a.
339 00:35:29.040 --> 00:35:33.670 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the time to import the data is astonishingly quick.
340 00:35:33.850 --> 00:35:36.819 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I mean it literally is no more than a minute or 2,
341 00:35:36.990 --> 00:35:40.129 Graham Stoddart-Stones: provided that they're pointed in the right direction
342 00:35:40.420 --> 00:35:51.089 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and B. It carries on forever. So once they've established the link, you will continue to get updates whenever the council updates their data a bit like a public map, if you will.
343 00:35:51.550 --> 00:35:52.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So
344 00:35:54.650 --> 00:36:07.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones: all the tools for the job which are needed by parish online. They provide, they provide them free of charge, and they provide the resource to the person to do the work free of charge, so there is no
345 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:29.400 Graham Stoddart-Stones: cost to the County Council or your District Council in doing this. It's just be aware they won't always have the answers to hand, because, you know, they've all got people who've left with essential knowledge, or they don't have the resources to man that department any longer, or whatever the reason is, but they do have the data. So it's worth keeping that in mind.
346 00:36:30.220 --> 00:36:36.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: All right. So I've said, we go in length through the the knowledge base bit.
347 00:36:36.450 --> 00:36:50.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So for those of you who don't remember, you can get to the knowledge base by clicking on the cogwheel in the top right corner, and the second item on the drop down list is help and support. And if you click on that, you come to this screen
348 00:36:51.330 --> 00:36:58.280 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and on the search bar. I've typed in the word Council data, and it comes up immediately
349 00:36:59.050 --> 00:37:05.609 Graham Stoddart-Stones: with 2 examples. And this is one, that sort of a worked example, if you will, of how it actually works.
350 00:37:05.810 --> 00:37:11.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But this one is the step that we're going to go through this afternoon. So we click on that one.
351 00:37:11.700 --> 00:37:13.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and that pops this page.
352 00:37:13.990 --> 00:37:30.759 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and it's worth noting. You need to go through each of these steps to work out which one is applicable. And again, I counsel you that if you don't go through these steps, then don't expect parish online to help you, because they've asked you to do this before you get in touch with them.
353 00:37:31.230 --> 00:37:40.289 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So the 1st thing you're going to check is to see whether the councils are already making data available for free in what's known as open data.
354 00:37:41.070 --> 00:37:48.170 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you can find out from this link here which data your councils are publishing.
355 00:37:48.340 --> 00:38:06.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It takes you through and asks you the name of the Council. It asks you any particular details that you're looking for, and it'll tell you whether they publish it. It's usually worth not putting in search information beyond the name of the Council, because it's worthwhile seeing if they are actually exporting anything at the moment.
356 00:38:06.988 --> 00:38:20.579 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And most do but a lot don't. So. The fact that you don't find anything here is not the end of the world. What it means is you don't need to carry on any further
357 00:38:20.990 --> 00:38:33.989 Graham Stoddart-Stones: with this step you go on to step 2, but if they do find something here, then this is how you do it. You know you put in the caution name. Then you click, apply filters, and up will come and tell you whether they
358 00:38:34.120 --> 00:38:35.250 Graham Stoddart-Stones: do anything.
359 00:38:35.640 --> 00:38:39.549 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I'm moving on to the second half of paragraph one. Now.
360 00:38:40.220 --> 00:38:44.240 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which is down here. They're just telling you again what to do
361 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:50.129 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and how you get the information into parish online, which is by sending an email to them.
362 00:38:50.500 --> 00:38:58.039 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, so that's step one. If step one has not identified any data for you, move on to step 2
363 00:38:58.530 --> 00:39:01.629 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and go to your local Council's website.
364 00:39:02.350 --> 00:39:06.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and then you can do a search on the words open data
365 00:39:07.010 --> 00:39:09.720 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and go through what comes up.
366 00:39:10.590 --> 00:39:18.830 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you find the data that you want. Then just again, email support at geosphere. Give them the information that you found
367 00:39:19.110 --> 00:39:26.299 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and the data leaks, and they'll go ahead and do it for you all right. If
368 00:39:26.610 --> 00:39:37.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones: neither of these 2 searches has helped you, then we need to go through this business of contacting the Council directly. And you'll see here. They're saying email customer service
369 00:39:37.900 --> 00:39:42.499 Graham Stoddart-Stones: or via one of the the contact us forms that you may find on the website.
370 00:39:42.700 --> 00:39:48.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you get given an example of the text to use oops. Sorry I've gone too far.
371 00:39:50.130 --> 00:39:53.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, okay, I didn't.
372 00:39:53.820 --> 00:40:00.390 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, I have got it. So I forgot to import it into this presentation. But the second part of this paragraph here
373 00:40:00.740 --> 00:40:14.419 Graham Stoddart-Stones: shows you what information to put in this email that you're going to send to their customer service department or their contact us form. Okay, so it is there in the website, the knowledge base.
374 00:40:14.600 --> 00:40:16.410 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it shows you what to do.
375 00:40:16.740 --> 00:40:25.770 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you need to go through steps 1 1st to see if you can find data. If you cannot find the data there, go through step 2,
376 00:40:25.950 --> 00:40:29.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and if you cannot find the data there you go through Step 3.
377 00:40:30.190 --> 00:40:38.500 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you only contact geosphere through the email addresses here. Once you found the data.
378 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:54.500 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and if there isn't any data being already publicized. Then this is where your request comes in. And again you should get the answer back. That will help you, and you you send that answer to the same address here.
379 00:40:54.919 --> 00:40:57.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones: To open a ticket, and they do the work.
380 00:40:58.590 --> 00:41:02.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I'm afraid it's quite a long procedure.
381 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:12.359 Graham Stoddart-Stones: particularly if they aren't already exporting data. Now, as I say, most of them will be exporting something, but there are those who don't export anything.
382 00:41:12.770 --> 00:41:23.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and to find out whether they are already exporting. You need to go through either step one or step 2, and please, please do not contact geosphere
383 00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:27.659 Graham Stoddart-Stones: until you've been through these 3 steps.
384 00:41:28.796 --> 00:41:35.719 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or at least sorry, until you've been through the step that either that finds you the data that you want.
385 00:41:36.230 --> 00:41:42.429 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So the reason that Gs here are so fast when they've got the information is that
386 00:41:42.740 --> 00:42:02.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones: they're already pointed in the right direction. There's no point in you emailing geosphere and saying, I understand. You can connect us to the right data. Please get me some that doesn't help anybody. So they're asking you in this knowledge base article, to go through the steps. Be very specific about what it is that you're looking for.
387 00:42:04.270 --> 00:42:05.880 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And we'll go from there.
388 00:42:06.510 --> 00:42:14.219 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So before I move on to Hazel, let me. Just ask if there are any questions on this step of the procedure.
389 00:42:15.210 --> 00:42:18.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And now stop sharing for a moment.
390 00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.850 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Welcome, Andrew. You made it back from Heathrow.
391 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:23.679 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well done.
392 00:42:23.680 --> 00:42:31.059 Malcolm Daniels: Just a quick question, Graham. I presume when you say contact the
393 00:42:33.150 --> 00:42:36.930 Malcolm Daniels: various samples, it would be better for the clerk to do it.
394 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:38.115 Malcolm Daniels: What is it.
395 00:42:39.630 --> 00:42:41.589 Graham Stoddart-Stones: As opposed to a counselor.
396 00:42:42.560 --> 00:42:51.379 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, I'm not sure how valid that is, Malcolm. I suspect it's like everything else. It depends on which county authority you're dealing with.
397 00:42:51.640 --> 00:42:58.299 Graham Stoddart-Stones: because some of them are really really very good. I mean, if you are looking for the top
398 00:42:59.243 --> 00:43:07.660 Graham Stoddart-Stones: organization in the country for being helpful in the case of parish online. Of course it's Bath and northeast Somerset. We've all known that for years.
399 00:43:07.770 --> 00:43:15.640 Graham Stoddart-Stones: but in terms of it generally, I found that Essex is amazingly switched on and very, very helpful.
400 00:43:15.750 --> 00:43:23.769 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and then other counties vary accordingly, somewhere between the 2. Obviously, I hope that helps.
401 00:43:24.390 --> 00:43:27.680 Malcolm Daniels: I was just wondering whether there's a tendency to think
402 00:43:27.810 --> 00:43:31.279 Malcolm Daniels: he's only a parish council. Why should we deal with him.
403 00:43:32.060 --> 00:43:42.699 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I suspect that again, it depends on which council you're talking to and who's who the individual is? It's very much a person thing, isn't it? Rather than a county thing?
404 00:43:42.700 --> 00:43:44.620 Malcolm Daniels: Right? Okay, thank you.
405 00:43:45.705 --> 00:43:49.059 Graham Stoddart-Stones: David, good afternoon to you, and how can we help.
406 00:43:50.930 --> 00:43:51.980 David Newman: Yes,
407 00:43:57.620 --> 00:44:05.779 David Newman: right, we've got open data. There's actually something called the ox open data and Oxfordshire data hub.
408 00:44:06.560 --> 00:44:15.210 David Newman: But that's limited. And I've got the contact details for the Gis person at the county. So
409 00:44:15.670 --> 00:44:18.439 David Newman: I'm thinking of, how do I?
410 00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:22.870 David Newman: How do you go through the process of narrowing down
411 00:44:23.070 --> 00:44:28.510 David Newman: what layers are going to be useful, and whether they have it, and who has it.
412 00:44:29.160 --> 00:44:44.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that's why I said, the 1st job you undertake, step one in this process is for you to identify what it is that's most useful to you, and we can all come up with a list of 20 or 30 items, but I suggest that at the starting level come up with 2 or 3,
413 00:44:45.310 --> 00:44:53.720 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and I suggested that it could be footpaths, or it could be gullies or waste bins. But you may have other priorities. It's a question.
414 00:44:53.720 --> 00:45:03.689 David Newman: Basically, mine is any any layers that might be useful in working on a neighborhood plan which is probably larger than what you just mentioned.
415 00:45:03.910 --> 00:45:09.770 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay. But then, what is it that you're specifically looking for? That helps you in the neighbourhood plan?
416 00:45:10.870 --> 00:45:14.880 David Newman: Economy, environment, transport, housing.
417 00:45:16.145 --> 00:45:17.000 David Newman: Nature!
418 00:45:17.530 --> 00:45:20.270 David Newman: I can see all of those enter into it.
419 00:45:20.610 --> 00:45:27.730 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, I think this is a great example. You did say that there is an Oxford open data site.
420 00:45:29.190 --> 00:45:34.299 David Newman: Yes, it's well, there's 2. There's a county one which has been going for years.
421 00:45:34.470 --> 00:45:42.940 David Newman: Yeah. Used to be called insights, and they actually have lots of stuff, although not everything is mapped.
422 00:45:43.640 --> 00:45:57.679 David Newman: And there's actually a project called Oxopen Data, which actually puts together lists of data they have from anyone, not just public authorities, but all they do is they list
423 00:45:58.680 --> 00:46:01.720 David Newman: what data? And who has it, and who to contact.
424 00:46:02.210 --> 00:46:06.269 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Is there anything in that list that's potentially of use to you?
425 00:46:09.220 --> 00:46:15.650 David Newman: Yes, some of the things are used to me, but of course there is the things of one's.
426 00:46:15.910 --> 00:46:19.040 David Newman: I think, in the mentioned, in the instructions.
427 00:46:19.780 --> 00:46:23.710 David Newman: It isn't automatic unless you have a
428 00:46:23.830 --> 00:46:28.090 David Newman: Psga license because they rely on ordinate survey.
429 00:46:28.910 --> 00:46:32.679 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right. But is there any reason why that you don't have a Psga license.
430 00:46:32.680 --> 00:46:37.540 David Newman: Oh, we do, but it isn't sort of. Here's the link you click on, and it's automatic.
431 00:46:38.530 --> 00:46:54.159 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, exactly, but that was the point of the article in the Knowledge base. Once you establish that they do publish the information, and you do state which piece of information is important to you. Then, sending that data to geosphere is all you need to do.
432 00:46:54.600 --> 00:46:55.080 David Newman: But.
433 00:46:55.080 --> 00:47:02.670 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I would propose to you that getting one layer in place 1st is a wonderful starting point for
434 00:47:02.980 --> 00:47:07.340 Graham Stoddart-Stones: trying to get them to introduce the layers that aren't readily available at the moment.
435 00:47:08.270 --> 00:47:10.190 David Newman: Yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense.
436 00:47:10.190 --> 00:47:17.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Think just getting the steps in place, and actually succeeded in getting a layer is is magnificent, and bring out champagne.
437 00:47:17.260 --> 00:47:21.910 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's a considerable step forward, all right, Susan.
438 00:47:22.350 --> 00:47:36.050 Susan McKeown: Hello, Graham! Hello, everyone! Can you just remind me how I access? The recordings of this group? Because what I'd like to do is obviously go through what you've said today.
439 00:47:37.070 --> 00:47:38.799 Susan McKeown: That's an easy one for you, is it?
440 00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:44.260 Susan McKeown: Hello!
441 00:47:48.990 --> 00:47:49.570 Malcolm Daniels: Okay.
442 00:47:52.770 --> 00:47:54.050 John Roberts: I think he's frozen.
443 00:47:54.050 --> 00:47:56.120 Helen Davey: He's either frozen or gone to sleep.
444 00:47:58.310 --> 00:47:59.660 Susan McKeown: I think he's frozen.
445 00:48:01.630 --> 00:48:06.990 Malcolm Daniels: His computer can't cope with video and typing at the same time.
446 00:48:15.700 --> 00:48:18.169 Susan McKeown: Does anybody else know how you get to the recording.
447 00:48:18.470 --> 00:48:20.090 Helen Davey: When you get your email.
448 00:48:20.640 --> 00:48:21.370 Susan McKeown: Yes.
449 00:48:21.630 --> 00:48:27.190 Helen Davey: There's a little highlighted word, wiki, is it? W.
450 00:48:27.350 --> 00:48:28.960 Susan McKeown: Wow! Good! Back!
451 00:48:29.100 --> 00:48:30.800 Graham Stoddart-Stones: What happened there but.
452 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:31.460 Helen Davey: I'll.
453 00:48:32.330 --> 00:48:34.120 John Roberts: We thought you you thought you'd gone to sleep.
454 00:48:35.940 --> 00:48:43.949 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That is so customary. Yes, I was about to say to Susan, I'll put the address in the chat for you.
455 00:48:44.650 --> 00:48:45.629 Malcolm Daniels: For you young men.
456 00:48:45.630 --> 00:48:46.880 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let me just work on that.
457 00:48:47.650 --> 00:48:48.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then.
458 00:48:48.350 --> 00:48:50.699 Malcolm Daniels: I have some water. Sorry.
459 00:48:51.428 --> 00:48:53.720 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hazel most. I'm doing that.
460 00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:57.559 Susan McKeown: Where would you put it? Where would you put that, Graham? Did you say in the.
461 00:48:57.560 --> 00:49:00.589 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Chat in the chat. Are you familiar with chat in zoom.
462 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.589 Susan McKeown: Oh, right? Yes. Okay. Thank you.
463 00:49:02.590 --> 00:49:12.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I'll put it in. There, Hazel, let me just check with you. That has this presentation helped you in your current situation, or do you think? Still not clear?
464 00:49:12.890 --> 00:49:15.430 Helen Davey: Yes, that's helping a lot. Thank you.
465 00:49:15.990 --> 00:49:23.689 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right? So there! There was a point in there which I felt particularly applicable in the in this instance that
466 00:49:24.020 --> 00:49:29.310 Graham Stoddart-Stones: it would help if you didn't go to geosphere until you have the answers that they're asking for.
467 00:49:29.310 --> 00:49:29.980 Helen Davey: Yes.
468 00:49:30.482 --> 00:49:34.800 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And let me just go zooming off to find this address for Susan.
469 00:49:37.300 --> 00:49:39.390 Malcolm Daniels: Thank you, Kath.
470 00:49:40.990 --> 00:49:43.530 Malcolm Daniels: Enjoy cheers.
471 00:49:43.730 --> 00:49:50.830 Claire Mann: While Graham's doing that. Can somebody please remind me how I edit a feature in a layer.
472 00:49:53.725 --> 00:49:57.079 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, I think that Chris is probably good for that one.
473 00:49:57.080 --> 00:49:58.270 chris edwards: Okay, yeah.
474 00:49:58.510 --> 00:50:02.649 chris edwards: So let me share my screen.
475 00:50:03.762 --> 00:50:14.070 chris edwards: So, for instance, let's go to one of my parish layers, and I'm gonna go down to
476 00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:24.840 chris edwards: right. If I click on. Let's say this item.
477 00:50:25.020 --> 00:50:27.949 chris edwards: which is a house with solar panels.
478 00:50:29.500 --> 00:50:38.480 chris edwards: and I want to alter the information or edit it. I go up to the pencil. Is that is that the sort of question you're after?
479 00:50:38.780 --> 00:50:55.590 Claire Mann: Well, I'm I'm so while you've been talking I've been I've done 2 polygons for this thing that I'm doing, and I've got them there, but I just want to change the shape of one of them. And I just can't remember how to do that. And as soon as.
480 00:50:55.590 --> 00:50:59.039 chris edwards: Okay. So if I go on to a layer with a polygon.
481 00:50:59.040 --> 00:51:01.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Could I suggest? Chris? One second.
482 00:51:01.430 --> 00:51:02.230 chris edwards: Yeah, yeah, sure.
483 00:51:02.230 --> 00:51:07.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Can I suggest? We actually asked Charmaine. Sorry, Claire, to put to share her screen.
484 00:51:07.630 --> 00:51:08.040 Claire Mann: Yeah.
485 00:51:08.040 --> 00:51:10.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then we can walk her through what she needs to do.
486 00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:13.795 Claire Mann: I I don't know how to do that.
487 00:51:14.150 --> 00:51:20.019 Claire Mann: So if you go to your zoom the screen, it's got zoom in it. Yeah, share screen.
488 00:51:20.020 --> 00:51:21.049 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's the one.
489 00:51:21.190 --> 00:51:32.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then it's a 2 step action. So share screen is the 1st step, and there comes a list of all the windows you've got open. You select the window you want to share, which is your parish online tab
490 00:51:32.720 --> 00:51:37.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and then click on the share button down to the bottom. Right there you go!
491 00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:48.509 Claire Mann: So yeah, it's it's this one on the right here I've I've I've gone quick and dirt. I've I've I've gone quick and dirty with it, and I just wanted to sort of tidy it up around these bits.
492 00:51:48.510 --> 00:51:50.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, absolutely.
493 00:51:50.510 --> 00:51:53.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So am I. Gonna hand back to John. Since this is his baby.
494 00:51:54.270 --> 00:51:55.960 Claire Mann: Thank you right, Claire.
495 00:51:56.410 --> 00:51:59.420 John Roberts: If if you click anywhere within that polygon.
496 00:51:59.660 --> 00:52:00.800 Claire Mann: Left click.
497 00:52:01.520 --> 00:52:02.630 John Roberts: Right? Click.
498 00:52:05.430 --> 00:52:06.720 John Roberts: Got a street audit.
499 00:52:09.890 --> 00:52:11.790 John Roberts: Click on the pet click, so.
500 00:52:12.030 --> 00:52:16.199 Claire Mann: Yeah, I don't know what. I just had a complete blank then. And yeah.
501 00:52:16.200 --> 00:52:20.310 John Roberts: You can edit that blue line if you zoom in.
502 00:52:20.310 --> 00:52:21.000 Claire Mann: Yeah.
503 00:52:21.720 --> 00:52:22.959 John Roberts: You'll find it easier.
504 00:52:23.180 --> 00:52:25.640 Claire Mann: Yeah, brilliant. Thank you very much. Sorry.
505 00:52:25.640 --> 00:52:28.179 John Roberts: And you can still move around that with your mouse.
506 00:52:29.006 --> 00:52:31.539 Claire Mann: Hold the mouse anywhere and move the screen.
507 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:34.080 John Roberts: That. Okay.
508 00:52:34.080 --> 00:52:36.530 Claire Mann: That's brilliant. Thank you.
509 00:52:36.530 --> 00:52:37.930 chris edwards: Forget to save it.
510 00:52:38.060 --> 00:52:40.319 Claire Mann: Yeah, I put that down there.
511 00:52:40.820 --> 00:52:42.169 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Sound. Nice. Yeah.
512 00:52:42.410 --> 00:52:44.529 Claire Mann: Thank you. I'll stop sharing now. Thank you.
513 00:52:44.530 --> 00:52:45.270 John Roberts: Okay.
514 00:52:47.270 --> 00:53:01.079 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Now we've we've reached the wonderful period in the afternoon when we've answered all the questions we've given the presentation. We've got some minutes to kill, and then we turn around and look for a victim to ask. So, Charlotte, how can we help you today?
515 00:53:03.063 --> 00:53:09.579 Charlotte Tayor: So nothing that I've got nothing specific. Really, I'm I'm quite new to it. So I just, I just wanted to kind of
516 00:53:09.780 --> 00:53:31.509 Charlotte Tayor: join and see what people are doing on it. I think I've probably I'm way behind in terms of my knowledge on the product. Given some of the discussions that have happened this afternoon. But it's really interesting. And I've just had a quick look online. And we do. I think our Council share public rights of way, but that's about it, by the looks of it. But that was good to know, because I didn't even know that. So thank you.
517 00:53:31.510 --> 00:53:33.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Google. I'm glad it's been helpful.
518 00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:37.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And there's a cat waving its hand.
519 00:53:38.650 --> 00:53:39.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Question. Andrew.
520 00:53:40.770 --> 00:53:41.450 Helen Davey: Okay.
521 00:53:42.940 --> 00:53:43.780 Helen Davey: Oh, no.
522 00:53:43.780 --> 00:53:46.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, actually, Chris does. So let me switch to Chris.
523 00:53:46.720 --> 00:53:53.750 chris edwards: Okay, could I ask for some tips if I share my screen?
524 00:53:56.220 --> 00:53:57.120 chris edwards: Right.
525 00:53:57.450 --> 00:54:05.509 chris edwards: This is a situation whereby we've got an open green field here, and we're going to plant some trees.
526 00:54:05.990 --> 00:54:11.029 chris edwards: So we've got people who've objected to us doing this.
527 00:54:11.370 --> 00:54:16.310 chris edwards: and if I was to click on this house.
528 00:54:19.040 --> 00:54:25.890 chris edwards: No, it's the wrong one. Sorry. Let me just go to that one there.
529 00:54:27.230 --> 00:54:31.809 chris edwards: No, what I was trying to do is bring bring up a photograph.
530 00:54:32.140 --> 00:54:34.060 chris edwards: I'm awfully sorry about this.
531 00:54:35.550 --> 00:54:39.570 chris edwards: Oh, it's not working. Okay.
532 00:54:39.780 --> 00:54:45.460 chris edwards: if I zoom in, we want to put a tree, let's say where I'm waggling my cursor.
533 00:54:47.660 --> 00:54:53.190 chris edwards: The people in this house are worried about the tree growing and growing and growing.
534 00:54:53.300 --> 00:54:56.669 chris edwards: and then shading their solar panels.
535 00:54:57.130 --> 00:55:06.640 chris edwards: and what I wanted to do is to try and work out how far away from the the border of the field I'd have to go into the field.
536 00:55:06.810 --> 00:55:14.470 chris edwards: so that if I put the tree over here, for instance, it wouldn't shade the person's solar panel.
537 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:16.049 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, I think.
538 00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:22.370 John Roberts: The 1st thing I would say, Chris, is, you need to establish what type of tree and how fast it grows.
539 00:55:22.690 --> 00:55:33.890 chris edwards: Yeah, yeah, of course, that will be in the equation, so to speak. And we're deliberately going to put in sort of smaller trees which don't have a huge height.
540 00:55:35.430 --> 00:55:38.069 chris edwards: That won't obviously convince
541 00:55:38.300 --> 00:55:46.739 chris edwards: 5, 4 of these homeowners with solar panels. So we're going to be very selective about that. And also.
542 00:55:46.740 --> 00:55:49.660 John Roberts: Are they? Are they houses or bungalows?
543 00:55:50.930 --> 00:55:56.109 chris edwards: This one's a house bungalow bungalow bungalow.
544 00:55:57.250 --> 00:55:58.380 John Roberts: Even so.
545 00:55:58.510 --> 00:56:03.990 John Roberts: the tree is going to have to be a tremendous height before it interferes with their solar panel.
546 00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:08.570 Helen Davey: That's what I thought. Yes, okay.
547 00:56:08.570 --> 00:56:16.139 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You can go back to trigonometry from your a level or O level Chris, and if you get the height of the solar panel.
548 00:56:16.290 --> 00:56:30.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and then take the lowest angle of the sun that they're going to be still useful to generate electricity. So I mean the sun. The sun isn't going to do any effect on them unless it's above a certain angle, anyway, and then.
549 00:56:30.140 --> 00:56:30.510 chris edwards: Sure.
550 00:56:30.510 --> 00:56:33.379 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Draw that angle from their roof house.
551 00:56:33.670 --> 00:56:34.030 chris edwards: Yes.
552 00:56:34.030 --> 00:56:40.499 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I think John's absolutely right. I think you need a 200 foot tree before it's really going to get in the way.
553 00:56:40.500 --> 00:56:41.400 chris edwards: Of course. Yes.
554 00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:50.579 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But it'd be very nice for you to demonstrate. You've done it trigonometrically, so that they know that you know what you're talking about, and that they're spouting rubbish.
555 00:56:50.580 --> 00:56:57.960 chris edwards: Yeah, exactly, exactly. In fact, while I'm sharing my screen just just for a second, let me.
556 00:57:01.900 --> 00:57:03.020 chris edwards: I'm hoping.
557 00:57:05.330 --> 00:57:06.750 chris edwards: Oh, blast.
558 00:57:07.230 --> 00:57:08.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So what you can do.
559 00:57:08.550 --> 00:57:14.779 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Go back to your parish online, go into table view, and it should tell you which records have got attachments.
560 00:57:15.160 --> 00:57:18.149 chris edwards: All right. Let me just get through. How do I get rid of that?
561 00:57:19.723 --> 00:57:22.950 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, you can go into your browser. There you go. Yeah.
562 00:57:25.130 --> 00:57:27.880 chris edwards: What! What? Sorry! Take me through that again, Graham.
563 00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:41.329 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, you open up! You've got the layer open so you now want to go into the table view of that layer you've got switched on the one, the handle, the houses with the solar panels. I think you just that one. Okay, so go into table view.
564 00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:46.239 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and that one number 10 has got an attachment.
565 00:57:46.240 --> 00:57:47.390 chris edwards: Oh!
566 00:57:47.710 --> 00:57:51.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if you will click on the text text, there you go. Yeah.
567 00:57:51.140 --> 00:57:57.170 chris edwards: Oh, this is the one that I was going to show you. Now, here's the solar panel. Of course
568 00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:12.249 chris edwards: we were thinking of putting the tree along this this sort of rough line here right now, you can see there's an existing tree here. I haven't got a clue. How tall that is so so.
569 00:58:12.550 --> 00:58:15.570 chris edwards: as I say, I just wanted a tip to find out
570 00:58:16.640 --> 00:58:21.809 chris edwards: that says a 90 foot tree at least, and it's not going to affect any of the solar panels more.
571 00:58:21.810 --> 00:58:22.869 chris edwards: Thank goodness for that!
572 00:58:22.870 --> 00:58:23.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, so.
573 00:58:23.890 --> 00:58:27.039 chris edwards: What I would like to do is is is.
574 00:58:27.650 --> 00:58:42.210 chris edwards: get out my paint box, so to speak, and put an imaginary tree here to see how tall it would be that might affect the shading of these panels. I think you said the word trigonometry, I mean
575 00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:46.929 chris edwards: I well, whether or not it's the right thing. I don't know, but.
576 00:58:48.160 --> 00:58:54.429 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you, for instance, draw an imaginary line from the nearest house there, that's got solar panels.
577 00:58:54.900 --> 00:59:00.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the nearest house to the tree, and draw a line from there to the crown of the tree.
578 00:59:00.610 --> 00:59:01.340 chris edwards: Yeah.
579 00:59:01.340 --> 00:59:05.059 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that will show you. You can measure that angle from a right angle.
580 00:59:05.060 --> 00:59:05.430 chris edwards: Yeah, yeah.
581 00:59:05.430 --> 00:59:08.750 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Is going to be approximately what? 30 degrees. Something like that?
582 00:59:09.615 --> 00:59:10.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.
583 00:59:10.720 --> 00:59:11.360 Malcolm Daniels: Shade it.
584 00:59:12.140 --> 00:59:15.599 Malcolm Daniels: Yeah, close to sunset. But, on the other hand.
585 00:59:15.790 --> 00:59:20.439 Malcolm Daniels: the amount of energy to the solar panel, when it's close to sunset is going to be nil.
586 00:59:20.630 --> 00:59:24.899 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, exactly. So. That's why I'm saying you only need to worry about the height of the sun somewhere between
587 00:59:25.700 --> 00:59:29.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: sort of 9 o'clock in the morning and 5 o'clock at night on in the summer.
588 00:59:29.680 --> 00:59:30.640 chris edwards: Yeah, yeah.
589 00:59:30.640 --> 00:59:40.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The other thing that I think John's point was the most valid one, which is that the tree you plant now isn't going to be of any height that's going to bother them for another 25 years.
590 00:59:41.490 --> 00:59:42.019 chris edwards: Yes.
591 00:59:42.020 --> 00:59:45.739 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Ask them if they're still gonna be in that house in 25 years time, and if so.
592 00:59:45.740 --> 00:59:48.120 chris edwards: Realised that already.
593 00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:49.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Steps.
594 00:59:49.270 --> 00:59:57.850 chris edwards: Yeah. 1 1 thing is, I don't know the height of a standard lamp post, so that would help
595 00:59:58.020 --> 01:00:09.159 chris edwards: if I could establish that rather than ask this this homeowner. Excuse me, can I measure the height of your solar panel, which I don't really want to do?
596 01:00:09.160 --> 01:00:13.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: John, beautifully. Because you're in parish online, you can measure that.
597 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:18.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if you go well.
598 01:00:18.610 --> 01:00:19.530 Andrew Clegg: You find.
599 01:00:19.720 --> 01:00:27.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Find the parish online street for that, and then turn on the aerial photography, and then you can do a link for that
600 01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.419 Graham Stoddart-Stones: thing. So go back and marsh online.
601 01:00:31.810 --> 01:00:32.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.
602 01:00:32.510 --> 01:00:35.060 chris edwards: Let's just Whoa!
603 01:00:35.060 --> 01:00:37.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So go back to the yeah.
604 01:00:37.190 --> 01:00:38.060 chris edwards: There you are!
605 01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:43.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Now I would suggest you turn on your overhead photography
606 01:00:59.100 --> 01:01:05.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones: good, and can you zoom in on the house where the the lamp?
607 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.629 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's a bit overhead, isn't it? There's no slant angle.
608 01:01:09.630 --> 01:01:10.250 chris edwards: No.
609 01:01:10.250 --> 01:01:12.330 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No. Okay. Well, it was a nice try.
610 01:01:12.730 --> 01:01:13.200 John Roberts: Yeah.
611 01:01:13.620 --> 01:01:13.990 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But.
612 01:01:14.595 --> 01:01:20.070 chris edwards: Just like Google, anyway. Thank you for your comments.
613 01:01:20.070 --> 01:01:29.480 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I'm sure you could find out what the height of that lamp post is pretty easily as a guess. You know it's 30 feet high.
614 01:01:30.430 --> 01:01:32.080 chris edwards: Well, that's a guess, isn't it?
615 01:01:32.080 --> 01:01:34.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, well, all right. So and.
616 01:01:35.420 --> 01:01:37.080 Andrew Clegg: Think it.
617 01:01:37.080 --> 01:01:37.990 Andrew Clegg: It's less.
618 01:01:37.990 --> 01:01:43.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If it's a bungalow with 8 foot high ceilings in a on the ground floor, and.
619 01:01:43.680 --> 01:01:44.370 chris edwards: And.
620 01:01:44.370 --> 01:01:50.789 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The pitch of the roof. You know that roof, the top of the solar panel is going to be maybe 20 feet up.
621 01:01:51.140 --> 01:01:52.220 chris edwards: Yeah, yeah.
622 01:01:52.420 --> 01:01:58.519 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But if you want it precise, you know, I just go and take a photograph of it, and then you can measure your angles.
623 01:01:58.800 --> 01:01:59.630 chris edwards: Okey Doke.
624 01:01:59.630 --> 01:02:03.829 chris edwards: But right, folks, thank you very much indeed for that. I'll stop sharing.
625 01:02:03.830 --> 01:02:10.299 Andrew Clegg: May I? May I make a point to Chris and everybody? It's about trees planting trees. I'm
626 01:02:10.640 --> 01:02:18.149 Andrew Clegg: I'm the martok tree God, because I've in the last few years I've planted hundreds of the things all over the place.
627 01:02:18.260 --> 01:02:39.600 Andrew Clegg: And basically, I quickly came to the conclusion that planting small trees, or particularly shrubs, is much more valuable both to the environment and and for biodiversity, and so on, rather than large ones that grow slowly.
628 01:02:40.070 --> 01:03:03.299 Andrew Clegg: just just a thought, and certainly around next to a fence. If you plant large trees anywhere near that fence, you're going to take a lot of light from the from the living rooms of the people in the bungalow, and I would be inclined to put in things like hawthorn. Gilder rose, and so on, small ones, and and the odd large one much further into the field.
629 01:03:03.730 --> 01:03:06.320 chris edwards: Yeah, okay, thank you very much for that.
630 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:09.469 Graham Stoddart-Stones: What's the reason for putting the trees there? In the 1st place.
631 01:03:09.950 --> 01:03:15.179 chris edwards: Well, we've got in with the government scheme called the Urban Tree Challenge.
632 01:03:15.340 --> 01:03:15.660 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.
633 01:03:15.660 --> 01:03:21.130 chris edwards: And we've got funding for 50 trees in that 5 acre field.
634 01:03:21.490 --> 01:03:31.659 chris edwards: and we're going to put a few trees along where I've just been talking about, but the majority of the trees are going to go round the corner out of view.
635 01:03:31.660 --> 01:03:32.090 Helen Davey: It.
636 01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:38.769 chris edwards: Where this sloping ground, so that people can't exercise, or do football, or anything like that.
637 01:03:38.770 --> 01:03:39.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.
638 01:03:39.370 --> 01:03:42.380 chris edwards: So we think the bulk of the trees are going to go there.
639 01:03:43.450 --> 01:03:47.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, that sounds. Does the government specify what sort of tree you need?
640 01:03:47.890 --> 01:04:01.840 chris edwards: No, they leave it up to us, so we will obviously have a wide range of of species, and we'll be very careful about not blocking out light from people's.
641 01:04:01.950 --> 01:04:07.320 chris edwards: you know, properties overlooking the field along the border. Of course.
642 01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:10.810 Andrew Clegg: Shrubs count shrubs count as trees, I think, for all these donors.
643 01:04:11.780 --> 01:04:12.350 John Roberts: Really.
644 01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:18.070 Andrew Clegg: Yeah, you you can ask, you can ask for. You can ask for a whole lot of small smallish ones.
645 01:04:18.070 --> 01:04:19.770 chris edwards: Oh, right well, I didn't realize that.
646 01:04:19.770 --> 01:04:22.130 Andrew Clegg: Yeah, it? Just just yeah, yeah.
647 01:04:22.130 --> 01:04:25.440 chris edwards: That that fund, that fund is now closed.
648 01:04:26.120 --> 01:04:27.769 Andrew Clegg: Yeah, yeah.
649 01:04:27.770 --> 01:04:35.230 Andrew Clegg: you need trees. One good donor is national highways. They can't find enough people to give trees to.
650 01:04:35.680 --> 01:04:36.240 chris edwards: Riley.
651 01:04:36.240 --> 01:04:36.940 Andrew Clegg: Experience.
652 01:04:36.940 --> 01:04:39.970 chris edwards: Oh, right, I'm gonna write that down. Thank you, Andrew. That's great.
653 01:04:39.970 --> 01:04:41.440 Andrew Clegg: Yeah, yeah.
654 01:04:41.970 --> 01:04:43.750 chris edwards: Marvellous. Okay.
655 01:04:43.750 --> 01:04:51.959 Andrew Clegg: If you need. If you if you need, I can. If you privately send me a Mini email, I can tell you a person to write to.
656 01:04:52.230 --> 01:04:55.760 chris edwards: Thank you very much, Andrew. I'll I'll be whizzing off the email tonight.
657 01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:57.560 chris edwards: Go ahead.
658 01:04:57.560 --> 01:04:59.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hazel, you have a question I can't.
659 01:04:59.980 --> 01:05:00.530 Susan McKeown: Grand!
660 01:05:00.530 --> 01:05:03.939 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hang on a second, Susan. We got Helen on first.st
661 01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:11.919 Susan McKeown: I just want what the the intention of the collaboration group is on a Wednesday.
662 01:05:12.600 --> 01:05:16.720 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, that's an entirely separate group. Nothing to do with parish online. It just happened.
663 01:05:16.720 --> 01:05:17.600 Susan McKeown: Is it not.
664 01:05:17.600 --> 01:05:19.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Have it the same person? No.
665 01:05:19.450 --> 01:05:20.590 Susan McKeown: Oh, sorry! I thought it was.
666 01:05:20.590 --> 01:05:27.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: They use. They use they use parish online as their mapping tool. But it's entirely coincidental.
667 01:05:27.950 --> 01:05:28.590 Susan McKeown: Oh!
668 01:05:28.590 --> 01:05:32.719 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Like. Okay, much more about the environment that that Wednesday banter session.
669 01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:34.060 Susan McKeown: Okay. Thank you.
670 01:05:34.470 --> 01:05:36.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, Hazel, here we go!
671 01:05:36.370 --> 01:05:39.074 Helen Davey: Yes, so I'll click on the clock and it opens here.
672 01:05:39.860 --> 01:05:44.810 Helen Davey: I know it will be on when you send it me. But what do I do next?
673 01:05:44.810 --> 01:05:50.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Type in that search box, the one with the orange end type in council data.
674 01:05:50.640 --> 01:05:51.440 Helen Davey: Thank you.
675 01:05:55.890 --> 01:05:56.650 Helen Davey: Right?
676 01:05:56.650 --> 01:05:57.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There it is!
677 01:05:58.330 --> 01:05:59.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: 1st one, the green one.
678 01:06:00.590 --> 01:06:01.060 Helen Davey: Yes.
679 01:06:01.660 --> 01:06:02.330 Helen Davey: Okay.
680 01:06:02.330 --> 01:06:03.500 Helen Davey: Thank you very much.
681 01:06:03.500 --> 01:06:17.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You're welcome. And, David, you had a question in the chat which was, what are the inspired download and view services. So if you turn on the land registry. Are you in a position to share your screen, David?
682 01:06:19.295 --> 01:06:19.880 David Newman: Yes!
683 01:06:20.070 --> 01:06:23.869 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, so can you go into parish online and share it with us?
684 01:06:25.130 --> 01:06:30.850 David Newman: Right? Okay, let's there.
685 01:06:33.130 --> 01:06:34.670 David Newman: Wake up. Wake up!
686 01:06:38.330 --> 01:06:40.850 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's the second time I've been told to wake up this session.
687 01:06:42.277 --> 01:06:43.572 David Newman: Not you!
688 01:06:44.220 --> 01:06:45.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, I know you.
689 01:06:45.020 --> 01:06:52.929 David Newman: Wish online, anyway. Yeah, okay, so so you want land.
690 01:06:52.930 --> 01:06:55.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And registry. Well, you're not sharing that screen yet.
691 01:06:56.040 --> 01:06:58.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There we go. Yeah, there you are.
692 01:06:58.350 --> 01:07:05.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if you you're in the land registry is what you want. Go down to land registry a few below where you were.
693 01:07:06.727 --> 01:07:10.280 David Newman: Land registry. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
694 01:07:10.610 --> 01:07:11.590 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You, in there.
695 01:07:11.990 --> 01:07:12.750 David Newman: Yeah.
696 01:07:12.750 --> 01:07:19.339 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And click on cadastral parcels. So if you if you zoom in.
697 01:07:22.310 --> 01:07:23.040 David Newman: Yeah.
698 01:07:23.420 --> 01:07:27.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Each of those cadastral parcels will have a number in the middle of it.
699 01:07:27.610 --> 01:07:34.060 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and that's why you need to be quite there you go. So if you click on the number or click in there that parcel.
700 01:07:35.090 --> 01:07:36.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and then
701 01:07:36.160 --> 01:07:42.830 Graham Stoddart-Stones: you'll see on the left hand column there's a inscribe inspire Id. You need to click on that to copy it.
702 01:07:43.670 --> 01:07:44.210 David Newman: Yep.
703 01:07:44.210 --> 01:07:49.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Now click on the link below. Same column, left hand column. Click on that next one. Yeah.
704 01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:51.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: click on the link.
705 01:07:51.790 --> 01:07:55.979 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And now paste the inspire Id into that box.
706 01:08:00.130 --> 01:08:02.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, and search. Yeah.
707 01:08:04.790 --> 01:08:06.690 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Now, if you scroll down.
708 01:08:08.250 --> 01:08:26.229 Graham Stoddart-Stones: it tells you that there are documents for that particular piece of land, and if you want to see what the documents are which just will tell you, for, amongst other things, who the owner is, you can do that for a sum of money which I thought was 3 pounds, but I think someone told me the other day it had just gone up.
709 01:08:26.689 --> 01:08:31.849 John Roberts: Yeah, it's got. It's it's gone up to 7 pounds. It's as it states on that page. There.
710 01:08:31.850 --> 01:08:38.719 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, does it? Oh, yeah, 7 pounds. I mean, that's a huge, that's what 200 and something percent increase. Wow.
711 01:08:38.990 --> 01:08:40.019 John Roberts: Ditch that is.
712 01:08:40.029 --> 01:08:48.949 David Newman: Basically, this is a data standard. So when they talk about full inspire data set on data. Gov, Uk.
713 01:08:50.124 --> 01:08:53.659 David Newman: that's something that Xmap can deal with.
714 01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:59.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You should think so. Yes, but certainly the Brownfield sites will be.
715 01:08:59.050 --> 01:09:06.460 David Newman: Because they've actually got a service to download it. But you have to sign for a license.
716 01:09:06.729 --> 01:09:09.780 David Newman: and they've got something to view it which doesn't work.
717 01:09:12.024 --> 01:09:12.770 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But
718 01:09:14.300 --> 01:09:17.600 David Newman: Yeah. So that was where my question came from.
719 01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:17.990 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.
720 01:09:17.990 --> 01:09:24.479 David Newman: Basically, if I find these things, and I tell Xmap about them, I guess they'll be able to import them.
721 01:09:25.096 --> 01:09:40.789 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'd be very wary on that one on this particular service only because the service that you're downloading it normally is chargeable, and if Oxford is not charging you, for it is because they've paid for it all in advance, so probably you can't.
722 01:09:41.470 --> 01:09:47.519 David Newman: There's separate links for Psga Member organizations.
723 01:09:47.529 --> 01:09:48.339 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.
724 01:09:48.340 --> 01:09:51.920 David Newman: But what you do is you send in. You want to.
725 01:09:52.859 --> 01:09:56.679 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That one. You're on the download on the Brownfield side. There.
726 01:09:56.680 --> 01:09:57.320 David Newman: Yeah.
727 01:09:57.540 --> 01:10:02.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's going to be different from the the land registry one, the inspire id.
728 01:10:03.580 --> 01:10:13.909 David Newman: Oh, yes, yeah, I mean, they're actually asking for the IP address of the site. Which is why I was thinking it was something Xmap has to handle.
729 01:10:19.070 --> 01:10:24.989 Graham Stoddart-Stones: These requests are restricted to an individual. IP address. Yes, I would send this particular page.
730 01:10:25.350 --> 01:10:41.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the the URL for that page. That's what parish online geosphere are asking for in the email that you send them. They specifically say, Do please send us the URL. And what you want us to do with it.
731 01:10:41.570 --> 01:10:49.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you can send this to support@geosphere.com, and say the Brownfield sites are information that we'd like to have.
732 01:10:49.710 --> 01:10:52.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And could you please import it for us into parish online.
733 01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:54.170 David Newman: Right.
734 01:10:54.400 --> 01:10:54.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And yeah.
735 01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:55.210 David Newman: Okay.
736 01:10:55.210 --> 01:11:03.100 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There because you've done exactly what they've asked for. They've asked for a URL. They've asked for the data, and they just want your description of what you want, so perfect.
737 01:11:03.370 --> 01:11:08.309 David Newman: Yeah, okay, David, let us know next week that you've been highly successful.
738 01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:13.699 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Any more questions from anybody, or can we declare it? The weekend has started.
739 01:11:13.700 --> 01:11:16.789 Malcolm Daniels: Can I come in with a question which is
740 01:11:17.010 --> 01:11:20.090 Malcolm Daniels: parish, but nothing to do with parish online.
741 01:11:20.090 --> 01:11:20.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Sure.
742 01:11:22.580 --> 01:11:31.040 Malcolm Daniels: You will know from my moaning of number of years that we're gonna have huge building project.
743 01:11:32.360 --> 01:11:35.020 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. Umpteen 1,000 houses. Yeah.
744 01:11:35.580 --> 01:11:48.780 Malcolm Daniels: When you actually move from a small parish to doubling its size, how do you calculate what presexual charge
745 01:11:49.540 --> 01:11:51.770 Malcolm Daniels: there must be people doing this.
746 01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:57.310 Graham Stoddart-Stones: What a great question! When are the houses going to be?
747 01:11:58.620 --> 01:12:01.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, of course they're not all built.
748 01:12:01.950 --> 01:12:04.390 Malcolm Daniels: Currently they built one.
749 01:12:05.830 --> 01:12:07.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones: A lot of people living in the.
750 01:12:07.300 --> 01:12:10.780 Malcolm Daniels: By by next year they would have built, say, 50.
751 01:12:11.530 --> 01:12:14.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, but you're going to get an S. 1 0, 6 payment, aren't you?
752 01:12:15.220 --> 01:12:17.639 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you'll need to take that into account.
753 01:12:18.360 --> 01:12:22.429 Malcolm Daniels: No, we. We're not getting an S. 1 0. 6 payment at all.
754 01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:23.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nothing.
755 01:12:23.700 --> 01:12:26.930 Malcolm Daniels: That's been nut by Bayes.
756 01:12:27.870 --> 01:12:33.230 Claire Mann: Did you not get cell the parish them so.
757 01:12:33.230 --> 01:12:34.910 Malcolm Daniels: Sometimes I don't do so.
758 01:12:35.270 --> 01:12:36.200 Claire Mann: Oh!
759 01:12:37.196 --> 01:12:41.358 John Roberts: That that depends on where you are, because,
760 01:12:42.330 --> 01:12:45.359 John Roberts: some of the districts did do so. We get sale.
761 01:12:47.300 --> 01:12:47.630 Malcolm Daniels: I said.
762 01:12:47.630 --> 01:12:48.110 John Roberts: That's it.
763 01:12:49.700 --> 01:12:52.070 John Roberts: No, West Somerset and Mendip didn't.
764 01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:55.419 John Roberts: I don't know what they did. Instead, though.
765 01:12:56.150 --> 01:13:05.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I can't believe there isn't some 1. 0, 6 type payment to you for all the trouble that's going on, and that's it's there to so all the the infrastructure.
766 01:13:05.450 --> 01:13:05.990 Malcolm Daniels: And it.
767 01:13:05.990 --> 01:13:06.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Use it.
768 01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:13.860 Malcolm Daniels: Agreement with those with things which left us out completely.
769 01:13:16.630 --> 01:13:21.049 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I suggest you send an invoice to the individual councilman that came to that arrangement.
770 01:13:24.827 --> 01:13:27.690 Malcolm Daniels: But that really begs the question.
771 01:13:28.090 --> 01:13:35.240 Malcolm Daniels: how do, when you've got a big building development in your parish?
772 01:13:36.330 --> 01:13:42.470 Malcolm Daniels: How do you calculate what the preset should be?
773 01:13:43.910 --> 01:13:48.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, what services does your Council base its precept on?
774 01:13:48.390 --> 01:13:54.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I mean you. You got the cost of linksman or equivalent to that. Some sort of employees.
775 01:13:56.200 --> 01:14:02.869 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and presumably organization that takes care of the grass cutting and everything.
776 01:14:03.070 --> 01:14:07.860 Malcolm Daniels: Yes, so just general maintenance. And what have you.
777 01:14:09.810 --> 01:14:18.089 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I think it's a very individual question, Malcolm. As far as I can see, that you've got to see what the plans are for the management of that development.
778 01:14:18.420 --> 01:14:23.189 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and because usually there isn't the management responsible for the maintenance they're in.
779 01:14:26.700 --> 01:14:30.460 Malcolm Daniels: Yes, I'm talking about the running costs of the Council.
780 01:14:32.740 --> 01:14:39.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, are you going to have to take on extra counselors because of this population? Presumably you're going to have a twice a council that's twice as large.
781 01:14:41.350 --> 01:14:47.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But you don't. You know the only people you pay for the Rfo. And so forth, aren't they? And any
782 01:14:48.590 --> 01:14:50.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones: any stuff you've got?
783 01:14:53.860 --> 01:15:01.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And presumably it's going to have to change every year. So your preset for 2025 is already in place, presumably.
784 01:15:01.130 --> 01:15:05.480 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes. But so about what's going to happen in 2026.
785 01:15:06.940 --> 01:15:13.040 John Roberts: Nothing, nothing will change until the houses are finished and occupied.
786 01:15:13.040 --> 01:15:14.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Exactly.
787 01:15:14.450 --> 01:15:18.220 Malcolm Daniels: Well, we've got one house finished and occupied at the moment.
788 01:15:18.810 --> 01:15:21.239 Malcolm Daniels: which really doesn't make any difference.
789 01:15:21.710 --> 01:15:22.200 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So.
790 01:15:22.637 --> 01:15:23.950 Malcolm Daniels: So the one.
791 01:15:24.780 --> 01:15:28.630 Malcolm Daniels: But next year it's going to be probably
792 01:15:29.810 --> 01:15:32.840 Malcolm Daniels: up near a hundred, if not in the hundreds.
793 01:15:36.850 --> 01:15:40.830 Malcolm Daniels: Now we could keep, keep the presets at the same.
794 01:15:41.380 --> 01:15:45.299 Malcolm Daniels: in which case the new people are paying virtually nothing.
795 01:15:46.060 --> 01:15:49.600 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, they're not because they're going to be subject to Council tax, aren't they?
796 01:15:49.710 --> 01:15:57.609 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the preset comes out of the council tax, and I would have thought you could do a multiple on based on population or something.
797 01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:05.249 John Roberts: It's the the council. The the precept is part of the council tax, but the the parish
798 01:16:05.350 --> 01:16:08.600 John Roberts: has to set what it wants for the preset.
799 01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:10.410 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I understand that. But I'm just thinking.
800 01:16:10.410 --> 01:16:11.010 John Roberts: And.
801 01:16:11.010 --> 01:16:25.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: In Malcolm's case that if his precept this year is X for a population of let's just say 1,500, and next year, he's going to have a population of 2,000, they need to increase the precept by 33%.
802 01:16:27.570 --> 01:16:35.290 John Roberts: The the. There's a danger in not increasing the preset, because you'll get caught out as I as I did several years ago.
803 01:16:36.700 --> 01:16:39.019 Malcolm Daniels: Well, exactly. That's why I'm asking for advice.
804 01:16:39.590 --> 01:16:47.560 John Roberts: A a safe, a safety measure would be would be to increase your precept a little each year.
805 01:16:48.320 --> 01:16:50.850 John Roberts: to keep up with the so with the development.
806 01:16:51.700 --> 01:16:59.450 John Roberts: But basically, it depends on what services you're provided that that development is going to use.
807 01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:02.040 Malcolm Daniels: How can we solve that in advance.
808 01:17:02.040 --> 01:17:15.569 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, just take them as a multiple of the population, Malcolm. If your current population is 1,500, and you have a preset of 5,000, or whatever it is, then, if you increase the population by a quarter, then increase the preset by a quarter.
809 01:17:17.400 --> 01:17:18.190 Malcolm Daniels: Because okay.
810 01:17:18.190 --> 01:17:22.750 Graham Stoddart-Stones: They're going to have the same services that the rest of the the parish.
811 01:17:22.900 --> 01:17:24.893 Malcolm Daniels: Yes, indeed!
812 01:17:25.890 --> 01:17:31.060 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So does that make mathematical sense anything else.
813 01:17:31.290 --> 01:17:36.119 John Roberts: I mean, if if you like, Malcolm, we've increased our preset this year by 2 and a half percent.
814 01:17:38.980 --> 01:17:42.300 Malcolm Daniels: Yes. But how do you increase the number of replicates?
815 01:17:43.190 --> 01:17:47.880 John Roberts: No, we haven't increased the number of resident. Well, we have, because we got 2 housing estates being built.
816 01:17:48.160 --> 01:17:53.999 John Roberts: but we have, because of what's being downloaded from Somerset. We've had to increase what we're doing.
817 01:17:54.899 --> 01:18:03.760 John Roberts: and that's the other thing you need to take in mind is what services are being devolved down to you from Somerset Council.
818 01:18:06.060 --> 01:18:08.839 Malcolm Daniels: Yeah, okay, that's give me something to think about.
819 01:18:09.240 --> 01:18:18.959 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's a huge, variable Malcolm. So when I was in Long Sutton we doubled the preset from one year to the next, in order to pay for a new cricket pavilion.
820 01:18:19.230 --> 01:18:37.940 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and down in Bembridge, which is a village with 3,000 houses, which is rather more than the 500 in Long Sutton, we discovered that the previous Parish councils had not been increasing each year, as John suggests, and therefore we had to throw in a 15% rise this year.
821 01:18:38.060 --> 01:18:39.779 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and nobody objected.
822 01:18:40.550 --> 01:18:53.950 Graham Stoddart-Stones: because we made a very careful case as to why we had to do it. And then the Rfo. The parish clerk, suggested that you need to increase by somewhere between 5 and 10% each year.
823 01:18:54.335 --> 01:19:15.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: As a as a norm, you establish that as a pattern, which is what John is saying, but you have to allow for inflation and inflation is going to run quite high for the next few years. So I would suggest, you want to allow 3 or 4% for that. And then, whatever your increase is after that. So if it's your extra 2% from John, then you're going to have to be
824 01:19:15.130 --> 01:19:28.400 Graham Stoddart-Stones: 5 or 6 or 7% each year, and certainly in Bembridge, if it's any help as a guide to you, we're really, really chuffed this year, because we the precept down because we were so successful at saving money last year.
825 01:19:29.100 --> 01:19:45.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I mean, simple things like the parish had quite a lot of money spare, but it wasn't in an investment an interest bearing account, and by switching into an interest account we saved something like 5,000 pounds, or we earned 5,000 pounds, which meant that we could drop the precept accordingly.
826 01:19:46.860 --> 01:19:49.809 Malcolm Daniels: Yeah, thank you. That's give me a lot to think about.
827 01:19:49.810 --> 01:20:02.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Lots of variables. Yeah. Sorry. Well, ladies and gentlemen, unless anyone has any more questions, I'm going to declare the weekend started, and thank you all so much for your help. I hope it was useful, and.
828 01:20:02.900 --> 01:20:03.859 Helen Davey: Very much.
829 01:20:03.860 --> 01:20:07.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Some great ideas. Bye, folks see you all bye, bye.
830 01:20:07.040 --> 01:20:08.799 Claire Mann: Thank you very much. Thanks.
831 01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:09.280 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You're welcome.