Hosted by Chris Edwards, questions were answered as usual; then a presentation on "Mapping Environmentals" by Andrew Clegg and Gillian Heath, with a focus on mapping participating gardens
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00:00 – 06:15 Trees and Footpaths
06:15 – 10:00 Intro to presentation: tracking environmental issues, gardens, in Parish Online
10:00 – 12:15 Neighbourhood Plans and Environmental Issues
12:15 – 14:15 Biodiversity and Wildlife Trust mapping
14:15 – 18:00 Gardens: water, long grass, homes for wildlife, messy not tidy, plants for nectar and pollen, native plants, no chemicals, hedgehogs, nest boxes (swifts), bat boxes
18:00 - 29:40 Duxford and cadastral parcels, community greenspaces, fruit trees, compost heaps, fee-paying members
29:40 – 31:00 JNCC (Joint National Connservation Committee) for classification
31:00 – 34:30 Ponds, creating a pond
34:30 – 37:30 Measuring outcomes, biodiversity survey, monitoring
31:30 – 49:00 working with your District Council, funding, Rural Development Fund
49:00 – 57:11 (end) Public Map, data editing, read-only, working outside your parish boundaries
No presentation this session - the video is the presentation
00:36:57 John Roberts: https://jncc.gov.uk/ 00:40:35 Andrew Clegg: Handbook for Phase 1 habitat survey - A technique for environmental audit: https://hub.jncc.gov.uk/assets/9578d07b-e018-4c66-9c1b-47110f14df2a
01:02:00 Gillian Heath: Water/ pond with access and escape (without fish if possible, but any water is better than none/ long grass meadow areas/ habitat / dead wood piles and/or rubble for hibernacula / flowers rich in nectar/pollen native trees and shrubs and fruit trees/shrubs / no chemicals or poisons used / compost
It was the Farming and Wildlife Advisory Group FWAG who were offering to create ponds and they still say on their website https://www.fwageast.org.uk/ponds "FWAG East is working with Natural England to deliver its District Level Licensing (DLL) scheme, a new, strategic, landscape level approach to compensating for great crested newt habitat lost to development. We are actively seeking landowners in Cambs, Herts, Essex and Leics who are interested in creating or restoring wildlife ponds on their land. Most qualifying pond projects have been fully funded under the scheme and there is virtually no paperwork involved for landowners." and also "Did you know we can help with SFI hedgerow assessments and IPM plans, Biodiversity Net Gain baseline surveys and carbon audits? Contact us to arrange yours today."
45 00:06:04.050 --> 00:06:12.449 chris edwards: right? Well, it's 2 o'clock. So should we kick off? Yeah. Can I invite anybody with a question to start off
46 00:06:13.110 --> 00:06:17.800 chris edwards: the session, and then we can come to the principal
47 00:06:19.100 --> 00:06:21.150 Peter Condon: Item, for discussion.
48 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:23.680 chris edwards: Any questions.
49 00:06:25.430 --> 00:06:26.160 John Roberts: No, sir.
50 00:06:28.552 --> 00:06:37.620 chris edwards: Well, forgive me. Would you mind if I just ask you quickly? In that case let me share my screen.
51 00:06:41.590 --> 00:06:44.730 chris edwards: Here we go and
52 00:06:45.650 --> 00:06:51.889 chris edwards: I'm showing you the list of public rights of way footpaths in our in our village.
53 00:06:52.190 --> 00:06:56.100 chris edwards: and the one question I like to ask is that
54 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:59.980 chris edwards: we've got this this small footpath.
55 00:07:00.210 --> 00:07:10.449 chris edwards: and we've got various private residences alongside each side of the footpath, and where I have got
56 00:07:10.620 --> 00:07:13.189 chris edwards: my cursor about here.
57 00:07:13.390 --> 00:07:24.049 chris edwards: There's a Lelandi tree which is now grown to an enormous height, and this person in this house
58 00:07:24.210 --> 00:07:29.229 chris edwards: is worried about it falling onto his property in high winds.
59 00:07:29.630 --> 00:07:37.230 chris edwards: Now the question that my clerk has asked, who owns this footpath.
60 00:07:37.490 --> 00:07:44.899 chris edwards: which, as you can see, is a public right of way. Now I'm pretty sure that our our Parish Council doesn't own the footpath.
61 00:07:45.540 --> 00:07:49.980 chris edwards: and I would guess that the County Council own this.
62 00:07:51.080 --> 00:07:55.520 chris edwards: Has anybody any comments to make about that? Perhaps.
63 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:58.120 Stuart Bacon: Normally, it's county.
64 00:07:59.090 --> 00:08:00.659 chris edwards: Yes, I would have thought so.
65 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:05.140 chris edwards: Stuart. What were you about to say.
66 00:08:05.140 --> 00:08:12.780 Stuart Bacon: I think the question you want to ask is not so much. Who owns it? But who's responsible for it? The reason I
67 00:08:12.900 --> 00:08:22.929 Stuart Bacon: explain the difference. Where public rights away provide access, and whatever they don't necessarily own the land.
68 00:08:23.060 --> 00:08:38.190 Stuart Bacon: But there is a right for travel across them, whether who's responsible for that? Whatever for maintaining access the public rights Away officer at your County Council should be able to sort of
69 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:43.349 Stuart Bacon: tell you who it is that actually does the maintenance of that area.
70 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:51.400 Stuart Bacon: Bye, whether or not they own the land or are just responsible for clearing it.
71 00:08:51.740 --> 00:08:55.510 Stuart Bacon: Yeah, they'll be able to tell you who's responsible for the maintenance of it.
72 00:08:56.545 --> 00:09:00.500 Stuart Bacon: And what the ongoing situation would be.
73 00:09:00.740 --> 00:09:03.499 chris edwards: Okay, that's very helpful. Thank you very much, Stuart.
74 00:09:04.060 --> 00:09:07.389 chris edwards: Anything else, Gillian, have you any comment? Perhaps.
75 00:09:07.390 --> 00:09:14.499 Gillian Heath: No, I was just going to say the same thing normally, because we've got we. We actually have
76 00:09:14.850 --> 00:09:20.999 Gillian Heath: have the maintenance contracts for a couple of the footpaths within Duxford that I know.
77 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:21.540 chris edwards: Oh yes!
78 00:09:21.540 --> 00:09:27.360 Gillian Heath: On our land specifically, but we've taken over the maintenance contracts for them.
79 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:28.080 chris edwards: Yes.
80 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.139 Gillian Heath: So I think that's the question to ask.
81 00:09:31.140 --> 00:09:37.430 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Okay. Yes, yes, I mean, I've got. I've got of the overhead aerial shot. The aerial shot.
82 00:09:37.430 --> 00:09:37.860 Gillian Heath: Yeah.
83 00:09:37.860 --> 00:09:42.180 chris edwards: And it doesn't really give me any indication of the height here.
84 00:09:42.280 --> 00:09:47.929 chris edwards: But, anyway, thank you very much for your your comments on that.
85 00:09:47.930 --> 00:09:50.668 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I I have. I have one comment.
86 00:09:51.060 --> 00:09:52.150 chris edwards: Yes, please.
87 00:09:52.150 --> 00:10:08.039 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, we had a nice well, a lot of not nice. We had a lot of Lelandi. We still have many in the centre of Martok, and one of them actually did fall over quite recently. Fortunately nobody was there at the time. It just fell on the library.
88 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:09.510 chris edwards: Oh!
89 00:10:10.660 --> 00:10:27.140 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: They. They grow extremely fast, and they have a relatively shallow root, and they easily blow over when you get conditions which are not quite normal in our case. It was a strong north wind, and it just fell over across the road.
90 00:10:27.460 --> 00:10:28.340 chris edwards: Oh, right!
91 00:10:28.340 --> 00:10:30.640 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And we've got lots more ready to fall. I think.
92 00:10:30.640 --> 00:10:31.100 chris edwards: Yeah.
93 00:10:31.100 --> 00:10:33.570 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Them down in the next few weeks.
94 00:10:33.760 --> 00:10:37.440 chris edwards: Okay, I mean, while we're on the subject.
95 00:10:39.780 --> 00:10:43.190 chris edwards: let me see if I can just show you
96 00:10:44.300 --> 00:10:47.850 chris edwards: where. Let me get rid of everybody's photographs.
97 00:10:52.620 --> 00:10:55.290 chris edwards: this is the tree in question. Yeah.
98 00:10:55.550 --> 00:10:56.010 Gillian Heath: Yeah.
99 00:10:56.010 --> 00:11:00.429 chris edwards: And the the person who's worried about it is lives here.
100 00:11:00.430 --> 00:11:00.860 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
101 00:11:00.860 --> 00:11:01.680 chris edwards: To shock.
102 00:11:01.790 --> 00:11:04.770 chris edwards: So here's here's the public footpath. Yeah.
103 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:31.940 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: They're an interesting, sterile hybrid of 2 American trees which normally live at the other opposite side of the continent, but happen to be next to each other in the Leyland estate in, I think, in Lancashire, isn't it? And they started producing these hybrids about 1870, and they are very fast growing because they're hybrids, but they're also sterile.
104 00:11:31.940 --> 00:11:41.790 chris edwards: One interesting thing about this particular tree. There's a single trunk up until about this level.
105 00:11:42.130 --> 00:11:42.550 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
106 00:11:42.550 --> 00:11:44.300 chris edwards: And it's splits into 2.
107 00:11:44.300 --> 00:11:50.730 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: It was a hedge, you see, that makes it much more likely to fall down, Chris.
108 00:11:50.730 --> 00:11:51.220 chris edwards: Already.
109 00:11:51.220 --> 00:11:58.289 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, it was a hedge, and the top was the lead would be cut out, and then it grows outwards.
110 00:11:58.560 --> 00:11:58.900 chris edwards: Oh!
111 00:11:58.900 --> 00:12:00.550 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: It's a neglected hedge.
112 00:12:00.550 --> 00:12:09.159 chris edwards: Yes, okay, right? That's fine. That's very valuable. Thank you very much indeed. Right now then, I'll stop sharing.
113 00:12:09.800 --> 00:12:15.470 chris edwards: And Andrew, what was on your mind when.
114 00:12:16.110 --> 00:12:31.150 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Was. What I was going to do was is to introduce a few issues just for 5 min, and then pass the whole thing over to Gillian, who, I think, has got solutions, and so it'll be much more interesting. So shall I do that.
115 00:12:31.150 --> 00:12:32.209 chris edwards: Please do, go ahead.
116 00:12:32.210 --> 00:12:33.790 Gillian Heath: Try. We can try.
117 00:12:33.790 --> 00:12:52.280 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And then I've got one or 2 comments about the use of parish online for these things or the problems that parish online can't solve, but we could do that towards the end. So shall I take over to start with.
118 00:12:52.280 --> 00:12:53.220 chris edwards: Yes, please.
119 00:12:53.690 --> 00:12:56.600 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I'm going to start with a big picture. Let's
120 00:12:56.850 --> 00:13:02.020 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: let's have a look at this, can you? What do you see now, do you? Oh, wait a minute. I'm good share.
121 00:13:03.210 --> 00:13:05.109 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Can you see a pretty picture.
122 00:13:05.110 --> 00:13:05.820 chris edwards: Yes, yes.
123 00:13:05.820 --> 00:13:06.280 Stuart Bacon: No.
124 00:13:06.490 --> 00:13:28.549 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: That is the valley of the river Parrot, and we have a Mott and Bailey Castle at Montacute, and that's from the top of the Mott and Bailey Castle, and you can't see it without binoculars. But just where my cursor is now is big Carl.
125 00:13:28.550 --> 00:13:29.070 chris edwards: Oh!
126 00:13:29.523 --> 00:13:41.780 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And the the sea 30 odd miles away, and and you can see big Carl through glasses from from Martok right at the other side of Somerset.
127 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:52.130 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: So what I'm talking, this is the landscape that really we're talking about. It's a very. It's a very agricultural lots of hedges.
128 00:13:52.400 --> 00:13:58.019 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: not many areas of apart from the levels which is down.
129 00:13:58.020 --> 00:14:04.179 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yes, Somerset levels, not many areas around here which are not agricultural.
130 00:14:04.850 --> 00:14:10.150 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: But now what happens if I get rid of that. Do you now see my parish online? Yes.
131 00:14:10.150 --> 00:14:10.700 chris edwards: Yes.
132 00:14:10.700 --> 00:14:11.940 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Oh, excellent!
133 00:14:13.390 --> 00:14:14.380 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Right!
134 00:14:14.380 --> 00:14:17.050 Stuart Bacon: Do you want a full screen, Matt? Yep, there we go!
135 00:14:17.300 --> 00:14:21.310 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, is it? Is it? I can get it as near as I can to full screen?
136 00:14:21.420 --> 00:14:24.599 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, is that all right?
137 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:25.630 chris edwards: It's better.
138 00:14:25.810 --> 00:14:31.450 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, I could change it, couldn't I? Just just to show the.
139 00:14:31.450 --> 00:14:33.570 Gillian Heath: If you go to your green
140 00:14:33.680 --> 00:14:37.979 Gillian Heath: dot on the top left, it should open up full screen. I think.
141 00:14:39.160 --> 00:14:40.544 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Oh, I see. Yes,
142 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.849 Gillian Heath: Yeah, right up the top left of that.
143 00:14:44.560 --> 00:14:45.739 Stuart Bacon: Not there? No.
144 00:14:46.210 --> 00:14:47.780 Gillian Heath: No less, no.
145 00:14:48.770 --> 00:14:49.409 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Welcome back!
146 00:14:49.410 --> 00:14:50.320 Gillian Heath: Online.
147 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:51.880 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Hold on. I've got to. Yeah.
148 00:14:52.040 --> 00:14:54.790 Gillian Heath: Now go to the green dot. Go left!
149 00:14:55.820 --> 00:14:56.750 Gillian Heath: Go ahead!
150 00:14:56.750 --> 00:15:06.550 Gillian Heath: What? That? Oh, is that full screen? Well, I never knew that. But the trouble is, I'm it's no good. You're talking about green dots with me because I'm colorblind
151 00:15:06.990 --> 00:15:07.640 Gillian Heath: right.
152 00:15:07.640 --> 00:15:09.647 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Okay, there we go.
153 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:37.049 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: this is. This is Martok. This is, and what we're trying to, what we're trying to do and have been trying to do for some time is to use parish online to store information about environmental issues as they develop in the parish. And we've had some. It's been, stop and start because we've not got many volunteers working on such issues.
154 00:15:37.060 --> 00:15:47.889 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: But I started some years ago because we did the Neighborhood plan, and I can give you a quick look at
155 00:15:48.170 --> 00:16:10.949 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: the kind of I'm now going to switch on 4 layers, and that shows layers of woodland water boundaries that is hedgerows, and so on and grassland. And that's about as far as we got in recording environmental issues here. I mean, for example, if I click on that
156 00:16:11.660 --> 00:16:12.910 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I get
157 00:16:13.110 --> 00:16:26.725 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: our only village common land Cote Common, and I've we've put a few details about it, but not many, including this class thing, which is
158 00:16:27.390 --> 00:16:40.090 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: a system of classification called phase, one classification. I don't know whether anybody's ever used this. It's it's a somewhat old way of classifying different habitats.
159 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:49.240 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: so I won't go into that anymore. But let's let's, I mean, we can look at, for example.
160 00:16:49.840 --> 00:17:08.429 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: another one, which is the old railway line, which is largely trees with scrub, and so on. Very nice, very good corridor, wildlife corridor. All the way through the village. Down here we have a little
161 00:17:11.069 --> 00:17:23.670 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: cart gate nature area. I don't know where the you know. We're on the A. 303, which is the Foss way, and it's the it's the main road from London to the West country if you're not going down the M. 4 and M. 5.
162 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:47.680 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: So we're on the Fosse way, and this is a little area next to the Fosse way, which is owned by national highways, and we've turned it into a very small but very rich nature area. Our question is, now, how do we? What should we record about that area? And how should we record it? Because we've got lots of data?
163 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:54.479 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And this applies to all the other areas around in the parish that are there
164 00:17:54.790 --> 00:17:57.550 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: now, bringing it up to date.
165 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:02.239 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: This was done several years ago, bringing it up to date.
166 00:18:03.290 --> 00:18:06.290 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: If I go down parish lairs.
167 00:18:09.180 --> 00:18:14.399 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Where are we? Here we are. This was I did this the other day.
168 00:18:14.560 --> 00:18:28.550 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Let's turn off all the others, and this is, as far as we've got in our new push towards
169 00:18:28.760 --> 00:18:50.089 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: improving the biodiversity in the parish and planting trees, and so on, with the help of the Wildlife Trust. And so I just did this the other day. This is a rather neglected, not all that neglected, but a bit neglected small recreation ground.
170 00:18:50.808 --> 00:18:59.969 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Which we want to, although we want to plant many more wildlife, wild flowers and trees, and so on in
171 00:19:00.713 --> 00:19:29.069 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: so this is the start of a new project where we're working with the Wildlife Trust, and my question is and I've been given the job of mapping it. And so my question is, and this is now I'm looking to Gillian is, what should I map what goes in this side column, and what other things should we put in the in the village as as this develops, here's another one. For example.
172 00:19:29.420 --> 00:19:38.459 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: it's a simple, it's an area registered green space in the village so it can't be used for anything it can't be built on.
173 00:19:38.600 --> 00:19:56.530 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: but it's just a bit of grassland that that's mowed to death by Somerset, or was South Somerset now South Somerset. And we want to know sort of we're thinking about what to do with it. And then particularly how to record it here.
174 00:19:56.820 --> 00:20:10.990 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: So I'm really looking for good ideas. So that's really why I'd like now, if possible, to hand over to Gillian for some solutions. Or maybe if there's anybody got any contributions first.st
175 00:20:11.150 --> 00:20:11.860 Gillian Heath: Yeah.
176 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.679 chris edwards: Now let's kick off with Gillian. Following.
177 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:16.370 chris edwards: Okay.
178 00:20:16.370 --> 00:20:17.490 chris edwards: Session.
179 00:20:19.460 --> 00:20:29.440 Gillian Heath: What? What we have concentrated mainly on gardens, of course. Yeah, because it all started at our festival of nature. We had 2 years ago.
180 00:20:30.206 --> 00:20:35.889 Gillian Heath: Where we had a really big map that we I'd laminated.
181 00:20:36.010 --> 00:20:44.939 Gillian Heath: and we had all the gardens. It was pretty much a parish online map of all the properties in their cadestral parcel.
182 00:20:45.350 --> 00:20:48.899 Gillian Heath: although I wasn't using parish online in those days.
183 00:20:49.170 --> 00:20:51.489 Gillian Heath: But it was a similar sort of look.
184 00:20:52.840 --> 00:20:53.980 Gillian Heath: Might have been
185 00:20:54.490 --> 00:21:07.790 Gillian Heath: ordinance survey whatever and what we asked was for them to pledge their gardens to nature, and then they could come along with a sharpie and color it in.
186 00:21:07.910 --> 00:21:09.410 Gillian Heath: and we had
187 00:21:09.590 --> 00:21:30.640 Gillian Heath: these. I'll just I can. I'll put these on the chat. But we had different criteria, 1st being water to provide some kind of water for animals, and if it was a pond or a bowl to have a sloping edge so that creatures could escape if they needed to.
188 00:21:31.350 --> 00:21:34.570 Gillian Heath: To have to leave some long grass.
189 00:21:35.492 --> 00:21:42.120 Gillian Heath: Slash meadow, not necessarily planting a meadow, but just leaving long grass
190 00:21:42.758 --> 00:21:51.460 Gillian Heath: to have homes for creatures in, not go out and buy things, but to have piles of dead wood.
191 00:21:51.610 --> 00:22:00.039 Gillian Heath: or even rubble which become hibernacle or invertebrates, newts, all sorts of creatures.
192 00:22:00.190 --> 00:22:17.899 Gillian Heath: and to leave your garden, messy, not keep it all tidy to have flowers in your garden, which are rich in nectar or pollen. A lot of the ornamental flowers are very pretty, but they're not necessarily nectar, rich or pollen rich.
193 00:22:19.860 --> 00:22:34.009 Gillian Heath: some of them are quite sterile because they've been cultivated like that, particularly, for instance, the dahlias. A single dahlia is much better for pollinators than a double, prettier dahlia
194 00:22:34.975 --> 00:22:41.159 Gillian Heath: to have native plants, because generally I know this is generalization, but in.
195 00:22:41.270 --> 00:22:49.369 Gillian Heath: In most cases the native plants, whether they be trees or shrubs, will support more life.
196 00:22:49.790 --> 00:22:54.599 Gillian Heath: Then the non native ones, because they they
197 00:22:55.330 --> 00:22:57.799 Gillian Heath: grown up with what's around them.
198 00:22:58.120 --> 00:23:07.829 Gillian Heath: also a very important not to use any chemicals in the garden, so no killing with poisons. No.
199 00:23:08.090 --> 00:23:17.260 Gillian Heath: no, I mean, I don't mean you can't trap slugs, but not use slug pellets and things like that. Hedgehogs
200 00:23:17.490 --> 00:23:21.719 Gillian Heath: create a highway, have a hole in your fence, so at least they can get in and out
201 00:23:22.080 --> 00:23:25.950 Gillian Heath: nest boxes we had. We did. Actually, I
202 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:41.141 Gillian Heath: split it into swifts and other net nest boxes, because we know there is a problem with swifts that they're on the red list. Now, I think Swift and a bat box. So we've got those criteria. And I've
203 00:23:42.700 --> 00:23:51.039 Gillian Heath: I don't have the big map anymore. It's a rolled up in one of the parish garages, but I can share my screen with you.
204 00:23:51.510 --> 00:23:52.660 chris edwards: Oh, please! Do!
205 00:23:53.510 --> 00:23:57.190 Gillian Heath: And show you what I've got on parish online.
206 00:24:00.600 --> 00:24:02.820 Gillian Heath: So this is Duxford.
207 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:05.189 Peter Condon: This is Duxford parish.
208 00:24:05.510 --> 00:24:11.470 Gillian Heath: And I've created the Duxford nature network
209 00:24:12.476 --> 00:24:19.609 Gillian Heath: and I think I did it mainly using the cadastral parcels. Some of them I just did manually.
210 00:24:19.870 --> 00:24:26.179 Gillian Heath: But you can see some. There's some strange things. This was definitely cadastral parcels, because
211 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.500 Gillian Heath: there's there's something odd going on there. But it's actually.
212 00:24:29.500 --> 00:24:31.579 Stuart Bacon: I love that sort of hourglass.
213 00:24:31.700 --> 00:24:32.500 Stuart Bacon: Yeah.
214 00:24:32.906 --> 00:24:43.469 Gillian Heath: Yes, it's 2 2 separate properties, and the they've obviously taken a bit of each other's cathedral parcel so they can make a decent drive in.
215 00:24:45.010 --> 00:24:48.630 Gillian Heath: And a lot of this land is parish land.
216 00:24:48.870 --> 00:25:01.969 Gillian Heath: many of the bigger parcels. This is my community green space that we developed using money. We got 50,000 pounds from the Landfill Communities Fund to create that green space.
217 00:25:02.230 --> 00:25:14.799 Gillian Heath: This is an old manor which has never been archaeologically dug. We're not allowed to plant in it even, but it's a green space with water, because we've got the river here.
218 00:25:15.280 --> 00:25:23.089 Gillian Heath: Unfortunately, I've got no water source on brewery field, but I do have a pond, which is a bit struggles a bit in a dry season.
219 00:25:23.230 --> 00:25:25.900 Gillian Heath: We've got the allotment gardens up here.
220 00:25:26.130 --> 00:25:31.210 Gillian Heath: but the rest of these greens are private properties
221 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:40.990 Gillian Heath: and in amongst this I
222 00:25:48.120 --> 00:25:50.869 Gillian Heath: that's the table view. I was hoping
223 00:25:51.020 --> 00:25:56.080 Gillian Heath: I haven't used this very much lately.
224 00:25:56.660 --> 00:25:59.169 Gillian Heath: So let me just look.
225 00:25:59.170 --> 00:26:03.079 Stuart Bacon: On the right hand side to close it. If you don't mind time of here.
226 00:26:11.262 --> 00:26:12.439 Gillian Heath: On the right.
227 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:16.509 Stuart Bacon: Right hand side of the table view. You can close it if you're trying to, Gillian.
228 00:26:18.910 --> 00:26:19.680 Gillian Heath: There we go!
229 00:26:22.900 --> 00:26:24.259 Gillian Heath: I don't really hate that
230 00:26:29.210 --> 00:26:33.179 Gillian Heath: There should be. I can. I can get a list, can't I? Somewhere here?
231 00:26:35.820 --> 00:26:37.719 Gillian Heath: The trouble is, I don't
232 00:26:39.080 --> 00:26:42.590 Stuart Bacon: That was, that was Table view that you can get that produces the list.
233 00:26:42.590 --> 00:26:45.589 Gillian Heath: Did you get a drop down list in in here? No.
234 00:26:46.660 --> 00:26:49.090 John Roberts: No, that will be. That will be Table View.
235 00:26:49.350 --> 00:26:53.527 Gillian Heath: Okay? Then we do need table view.
236 00:26:54.670 --> 00:27:24.159 Gillian Heath: which shows the criteria. So we've got accessible water areas of long grass meadow, undisturbed habitat flowers, rich in nectar, pollen, native trees, or shrubs. We've also added a few more fruit trees and shrubs because they provide food, obviously as well as pollen and nectar compost heap is quite important. Really, it provides habitat as well as new material for your garden
237 00:27:24.510 --> 00:27:33.130 Gillian Heath: and we've got. We asked them to say, have you already done this, or are you planning it within 6 months?
238 00:27:34.217 --> 00:27:36.100 Gillian Heath: The difficulty with
239 00:27:36.320 --> 00:28:06.230 Gillian Heath: delving down into detail like this is actually keeping track of it and monitoring it. I don't think we need to do it to such detail, but I do think it's useful having the different. For instance, some some did say I do it all, but I can't do a pond, because I've got little children, and I won't have a pond in my garden, but then we try to persuade them that they can provide other water, be it even a barrel in a corner, or something.
240 00:28:07.660 --> 00:28:17.029 Stuart Bacon: Where you've got those answers of planned within 6 months. Have you got anywhere within that record as to when you received that information.
241 00:28:17.210 --> 00:28:18.279 Gillian Heath: I have because.
242 00:28:18.280 --> 00:28:20.049 Stuart Bacon: Runs, runs out.
243 00:28:20.050 --> 00:28:23.980 Gillian Heath: Just stop sharing my screen at the moment
244 00:28:24.622 --> 00:28:29.410 Gillian Heath: when we first, st when we had the festival of nature and the big stand
245 00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:32.449 Gillian Heath: it it. We had a paper copy.
246 00:28:32.890 --> 00:28:33.820 Stuart Bacon: So.
247 00:28:33.820 --> 00:28:50.710 Gillian Heath: So we have the date, and we have the address, and we promise not to share that data because of Gdpr. Some didn't want to give us their name necessarily, but they were quite happy to give the address for our records on the grounds that we don't share the data outside
248 00:28:51.504 --> 00:28:57.150 Gillian Heath: and and we have the date that that was that was promised.
249 00:28:57.150 --> 00:29:01.239 Stuart Bacon: Yeah, is that stored in your parish online details as well.
250 00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:17.592 Gillian Heath: No, not yet. It's it's my it's my goal to do it. I never have time to. I start all these things off, and I don't actually finish anything but I would. I would dearly love to to really get this up and running.
251 00:29:18.210 --> 00:29:19.340 Gillian Heath: I think
252 00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:29.670 Gillian Heath: the other thing is saying, it's going to be done with 6 months. Then, within 6 months. Then really, we need somebody to go back and say, Have you actually done it.
253 00:29:30.179 --> 00:29:35.929 Gillian Heath: And nobody's got the time for that sort of thing. So I'm not not sure, really.
254 00:29:36.770 --> 00:29:44.922 Gillian Heath: I think, having the ideas and following up at various village events like
255 00:29:45.970 --> 00:30:03.352 Gillian Heath: we have a ducks for day in the summer, where all the local groups have a stand at the community centre, and we we have this, and we follow it up, and we have the updated map. And then hopefully, we get more signing up. But we also would get
256 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:14.800 Gillian Heath: some of the previous people say, Oh, yeah, I put my pond in. Since then that kind of thing which would be good, but we haven't got time to follow it up so so carefully.
257 00:30:15.370 --> 00:30:16.862 Gillian Heath: But it's certainly
258 00:30:17.570 --> 00:30:22.290 Gillian Heath: It's nice having the map that I can produce snapshots of.
259 00:30:22.840 --> 00:30:28.259 Gillian Heath: you know, in 2,020. We had only a couple of little greens
260 00:30:28.460 --> 00:30:32.989 Gillian Heath: dodges on the map, and the the goal being to turn the whole map green. Eventually.
261 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:35.613 chris edwards: Do you?
262 00:30:36.450 --> 00:30:43.770 chris edwards: How do you reach out to the community? Do you put on a sort of a coffee morning at the Village hall, or that sort of thing.
263 00:30:44.070 --> 00:30:56.100 Gillian Heath: We? There is a coffee morning every Wednesday at the Village hall, but I I don't attend it very often. It's it's really the clerk surgery, and there's usually one or 2 counselors along with her.
264 00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:03.027 Gillian Heath: but they tend to be more interested in potholes there. So it's a it's
265 00:31:05.030 --> 00:31:32.849 Gillian Heath: we? We tend to only do it when there's village events, and I have a stall for friend. I have friends of Duxford Green spaces, which isn't. It's not a charity. I have to jump through too many hoops to make it a charity, but it's association, and it's affiliated to the Parish Council, but it's not parish council, and we have members, and we have an income from them, and I can spend the money independently as long as I put it to the membership.
266 00:31:33.010 --> 00:31:39.869 Gillian Heath: and I have, I have a Facebook page called Duxford Green.
267 00:31:40.080 --> 00:31:45.639 Gillian Heath: which started off as just brewery field. But we're beginning to make it more
268 00:31:46.223 --> 00:31:51.500 Gillian Heath: and I plan to put this on ducks for green Facebook. It's not on there yet at all.
269 00:31:52.100 --> 00:32:01.739 Gillian Heath: I think I might reach more people if I go through the Facebook. The trouble with all social media is having the time to update it and respond to answer the question.
270 00:32:02.630 --> 00:32:08.799 Gillian Heath: And I don't particularly like social media either. But I do it because just more people.
271 00:32:08.800 --> 00:32:12.709 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, how big is your group of friends of green spaces.
272 00:32:12.950 --> 00:32:17.109 Gillian Heath: I've only got about 40 paying members.
273 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:18.660 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: That's huge.
274 00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:21.835 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, with what we can raise.
275 00:32:22.551 --> 00:32:28.449 Gillian Heath: Charge 15 pounds for a single and 25 pound a year for a family.
276 00:32:28.450 --> 00:32:29.170 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Oh, gosh!
277 00:32:29.170 --> 00:32:39.690 Gillian Heath: And we have. We tried to have festival of Nature once a year, which we did in September last year, and the year before we did in the spring.
278 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:44.999 Gillian Heath: So we we try to keep them 18 months apart, because it's hard work and.
279 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:45.450 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
280 00:32:45.450 --> 00:32:48.430 Gillian Heath: Everything. You just don't have the people to help.
281 00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:53.440 Gillian Heath: I have even the paying, even the 40 paying members.
282 00:32:53.580 --> 00:32:55.580 Gillian Heath: They don't actually do anything.
283 00:32:56.008 --> 00:32:58.400 Gillian Heath: I can use their money, which is great.
284 00:32:58.610 --> 00:33:04.160 Gillian Heath: but I have 3 volunteers in the village, and they are the only regular volunteers.
285 00:33:04.710 --> 00:33:05.909 chris edwards: Yeah, yeah.
286 00:33:06.630 --> 00:33:25.109 Gillian Heath: We are lucky we've got smt used to be Volvo, which is just at the entrance as you come into Duxford on the A. 5 0. 5, and they give us a day at least one day a year, and sometimes 2 volunteers, and they pay their staff to work for us for a day which is really good.
287 00:33:25.446 --> 00:33:26.119 chris edwards: Very good.
288 00:33:26.120 --> 00:33:31.309 Gillian Heath: And we get nice, strong people that can dig, dig and move things, and
289 00:33:31.530 --> 00:33:34.769 Gillian Heath: aren't all full of spirits. Injuries like we.
290 00:33:34.850 --> 00:33:40.829 chris edwards: Yeah, is, is the Aircraft Museum fairly close by.
291 00:33:40.830 --> 00:33:47.760 Gillian Heath: It is, you could walk to it, but it's a horrible walk. It's a busy road, and there's no footpath.
292 00:33:48.460 --> 00:33:49.359 chris edwards: No, no.
293 00:33:49.360 --> 00:33:53.030 Gillian Heath: We're we're about half a mile, half a mile from the Museum.
294 00:33:53.030 --> 00:33:53.560 chris edwards: Yeah.
295 00:33:53.930 --> 00:33:57.030 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And your group of you. Sorry? Chris, yeah.
296 00:33:57.030 --> 00:34:03.780 chris edwards: I just think saying, Julian, thank you very much indeed for updating us about your project in Duxford.
297 00:34:04.373 --> 00:34:06.540 chris edwards: So carry on, Andrew, please.
298 00:34:06.540 --> 00:34:13.839 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Now I was also going to ask your group of 3. Is it in like Martok, average age of about 80.
299 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.999 Gillian Heath: I think I think we're between 60 and 70.
300 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:18.315 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Okay.
301 00:34:19.630 --> 00:34:28.040 Gillian Heath: We and and I've got a I've got quite an amenable husband who will do do things for me. He doesn't like to be included in the group. But if I.
302 00:34:28.040 --> 00:34:28.420 chris edwards: Yeah.
303 00:34:28.429 --> 00:34:30.670 Gillian Heath: Try to persuade him, do some heavy.
304 00:34:32.909 --> 00:34:37.739 Gillian Heath: The hardest thing is watering, watering new trees and shrubs. When I, when I plant.
305 00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:38.089 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
306 00:34:38.090 --> 00:34:43.130 Gillian Heath: Brewery field. We got a lot of trees from the Woodland Trust that were just the whips.
307 00:34:43.130 --> 00:34:43.730 chris edwards: Hmm.
308 00:34:43.730 --> 00:35:08.900 Gillian Heath: And we also planted some bigger trees. And we pretty much had drought that whole 1st year. And most of yeah, and we're on chalk. So even when we get rain, it just goes straight through to the water tank, and it was really hard work. I was so grateful that they're 5 years old now, because they're strong enough to survive a few dry weeks.
309 00:35:08.900 --> 00:35:09.480 chris edwards: Yeah.
310 00:35:10.160 --> 00:35:25.160 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Now we never had that problem because we live in Somerset Clay, which is, you know, we've got almost infinite depth of clay, and we've only been. We planted things about 3 years ago, and it's never stopped raining since.
311 00:35:25.510 --> 00:35:26.000 chris edwards: Oh!
312 00:35:28.790 --> 00:35:31.329 Gillian Heath: Well, I think we get the least rain in the country.
313 00:35:31.330 --> 00:35:33.371 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yes, something you do. Yeah.
314 00:35:33.780 --> 00:35:42.129 Gillian Heath: I was very interested in the the environmental things, the woodland, water, grassland and boundaries.
315 00:35:44.350 --> 00:35:53.429 Gillian Heath: I I think we could. We could start adding stuff like that to our parish online sounds quite an interesting idea.
316 00:35:53.720 --> 00:36:00.160 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yes, it's the Jncc. Join something of
317 00:36:00.810 --> 00:36:05.285 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: joint nature conservation, something. Jncc.
318 00:36:06.470 --> 00:36:30.649 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: phase, one classification. I'll try and find a reference to it. But it comes. There is a booklet that comes with it which is a bit intimidating. But once you look at it, it's actually a fairly simple way of classifying things, and you can. What I've found is I could make it even simpler by
319 00:36:30.650 --> 00:36:41.419 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: not using most of the most of the classifications. I'll try and find it. I'll try and find the booklet and put it on the on the chat.
320 00:36:41.620 --> 00:36:41.980 Gillian Heath: Right.
321 00:36:41.980 --> 00:36:43.249 chris edwards: Thank you. Yeah.
322 00:36:44.138 --> 00:36:54.669 chris edwards: Jillian, have you mentioned the word palms a few times? Let me, if you don't mind, let me share my screen once more.
323 00:36:56.050 --> 00:36:56.790 chris edwards: Oh.
324 00:36:59.490 --> 00:37:00.140 John Roberts: Kevin.
325 00:37:02.690 --> 00:37:08.360 chris edwards: Right if I zoom out and get rid of the rights of way.
326 00:37:10.090 --> 00:37:18.419 chris edwards: And last week I showed showed you an area of land that we have here.
327 00:37:18.420 --> 00:37:19.200 Gillian Heath: Oh, yeah.
328 00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:19.720 Peter Condon: Right.
329 00:37:19.720 --> 00:37:24.120 chris edwards: Now this is very, very steep, as you can see by these contours.
330 00:37:24.654 --> 00:37:30.310 chris edwards: I like the I like the idea of putting in a pond for wildlife.
331 00:37:31.305 --> 00:37:38.699 chris edwards: Where I've got my cursor. This is a public right of way leading into our village here.
332 00:37:38.870 --> 00:37:39.250 Peter Condon: Fine.
333 00:37:39.250 --> 00:37:42.660 chris edwards: But there's no area for parking of cars.
334 00:37:43.140 --> 00:37:47.409 chris edwards: so one would have to walk all the way from the village up to this point
335 00:37:47.740 --> 00:37:50.609 chris edwards: and then go down the steep hill.
336 00:37:51.501 --> 00:37:54.800 chris edwards: It it it! It bottoms out here.
337 00:37:55.140 --> 00:38:01.069 chris edwards: and I'm just wondering whether or not we could possibly think about putting in a pond here
338 00:38:01.340 --> 00:38:03.619 chris edwards: as opposed to at the top, which
339 00:38:03.770 --> 00:38:07.240 chris edwards: there's a very small amount of flat land here.
340 00:38:07.610 --> 00:38:08.240 chris edwards: Yeah.
341 00:38:08.240 --> 00:38:20.600 chris edwards: but but I think your idea of attracting wildlife with with water is is ideal. So I shall look into the possibilities of putting a pond down here.
342 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:29.900 Gillian Heath: The lower area would definitely be the more suitable, I would think. Do you have any areas on the land that stay wet and mushy, even when it's a bit dry.
343 00:38:30.180 --> 00:38:36.149 chris edwards: I wouldn't have said so. No, no, no, I, if you are to ask me what the
344 00:38:36.560 --> 00:38:41.299 chris edwards: what will, the what the the soil is like I wouldn't have a clue.
345 00:38:41.650 --> 00:38:43.829 chris edwards: so I must find that out.
346 00:38:44.140 --> 00:38:46.180 Gillian Heath: If it's if it's clay, you could.
347 00:38:46.180 --> 00:38:46.720 chris edwards: Hmm.
348 00:38:46.720 --> 00:38:50.329 Gillian Heath: Probably get away without lining a pond.
349 00:38:50.330 --> 00:38:50.680 chris edwards: Yes.
350 00:38:50.680 --> 00:38:55.240 Gillian Heath: But if it's not clay or chalky, you would need a liner.
351 00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:56.980 chris edwards: Yes, quite quite
352 00:38:58.060 --> 00:39:01.760 Gillian Heath: Where you get great crested nudes.
353 00:39:02.870 --> 00:39:10.840 chris edwards: Well, I'm sure they are in the area, but I wouldn't know where where they literally.
354 00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:12.719 Gillian Heath: I'll I'll try and find
355 00:39:13.190 --> 00:39:26.340 Gillian Heath: I have a part on a bit of land in Duxford, and we had an offer from. I think it was the Rural fund or someone, and they they were offering to build and fund ponds
356 00:39:26.530 --> 00:39:38.820 Gillian Heath: as long as you were in a catchment area for the great crested nut. I'll try and find the link or the person it might. It might probably doesn't even apply anymore. But it might be relevant email.
357 00:39:39.040 --> 00:39:41.909 chris edwards: Oh, yeah, well, that's marvellous. Thank you very much. Gillian.
358 00:39:42.522 --> 00:39:46.409 chris edwards: Last week I showed everybody this area of land.
359 00:39:47.307 --> 00:39:53.990 chris edwards: Andrew Andrew. When you were showing your locations in Martok.
360 00:39:54.280 --> 00:40:01.279 chris edwards: I think it might be helpful for you to actually display or or have the acreage of your common land.
361 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:02.460 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
362 00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:03.300 Gillian Heath: 6.
363 00:40:04.010 --> 00:40:08.790 chris edwards: Think here we are. This area is 11.7 acres.
364 00:40:08.790 --> 00:40:09.160 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
365 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:17.050 chris edwards: Whether you could add that to your information about the areas of land.
366 00:40:17.050 --> 00:40:18.639 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: That's a good idea. Yeah.
367 00:40:18.640 --> 00:40:19.800 Peter Condon: Yeah, yeah.
368 00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:21.270 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
369 00:40:21.750 --> 00:40:26.310 chris edwards: Can I bring in anybody else who might be interested in what we've been discussing
370 00:40:29.580 --> 00:40:30.510 chris edwards: or not?
371 00:40:31.560 --> 00:40:32.260 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Okay.
372 00:40:33.510 --> 00:40:38.060 chris edwards: So I'll stop sharing my screen.
373 00:40:38.180 --> 00:40:50.640 chris edwards: So let me welcome people whose names I haven't come across before. If please unmute yourself if you want to ask a question or raise a point, you're more than welcome.
374 00:40:54.650 --> 00:40:57.210 Christine Fisher Kay: I'm I'm Christine Fisher, Guy.
375 00:40:57.950 --> 00:40:59.010 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: Could I?
376 00:40:59.790 --> 00:41:00.859 Betsy Reid: Does this go on for some time.
377 00:41:00.860 --> 00:41:02.890 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: Congratulate Gillian on her work.
378 00:41:03.189 --> 00:41:03.490 Betsy Reid: Yeah.
379 00:41:03.490 --> 00:41:04.350 chris edwards: Yes.
380 00:41:04.650 --> 00:41:13.139 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: That that is fantastic result. And you're actually not far from where we are.
381 00:41:13.720 --> 00:41:14.280 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: I am.
382 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:15.230 Betsy Reid: Okay.
383 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:29.910 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: But we're on London clay here, so slightly different soil. But I was just wondering, have you got any means or plans to measure the outcomes from your interventions.
384 00:41:32.319 --> 00:41:43.740 Gillian Heath: No, but I have a very friendly ecologist in Whittlesford. Who's that's the next village, and he helped me an awful lot in creating brewery field.
385 00:41:44.510 --> 00:41:51.230 Gillian Heath: And he will do a biodiversity survey for me on any piece of land
386 00:41:51.880 --> 00:42:06.669 Gillian Heath: like not all the time. But I think I mean brewery field. We did one before we put the green space there, and he does an annual survey for me now both the pond and the grassland.
387 00:42:06.870 --> 00:42:10.150 Gillian Heath: So I have a record for that.
388 00:42:10.310 --> 00:42:16.770 Gillian Heath: As to gardens in the village, I don't think we'd be able to monitor that in the same way.
389 00:42:17.660 --> 00:42:20.877 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: No, I mean, my my feeling is that
390 00:42:21.630 --> 00:42:26.730 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: People are more likely to get involved if they can get feedback.
391 00:42:27.220 --> 00:42:44.580 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: I feel the same about recycling. As far as I can tell, we get absolutely no feedback from the Council on how good we are at recycling, or what happens to recycling, they just measure the amount. Whereas if you could feed back to people
392 00:42:45.311 --> 00:42:50.528 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: what they're doing wrong, what they're doing well, likewise feedback
393 00:42:51.350 --> 00:42:54.359 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: if they have put the bird boxes in. We we have
394 00:42:54.570 --> 00:43:00.060 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: encourage. We've now got 20 swifts nesting in the village.
395 00:43:00.370 --> 00:43:27.580 Gillian Heath: Yes, I I think we that's something we certainly need to look at. We need to ask them to tell us what's changed in their gardens different butterflies, or I mean, we do monitor things like turtle doves and and stuff like that. We haven't got any in the village, but they're coming closer to the village at the moment. So yeah, we are. We are trying to monitor things, but I haven't. I haven't. It's something we need to look at.
396 00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:29.180 Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: Thanks.
397 00:43:30.190 --> 00:43:40.989 Sheila Churchward: I'm Sheila Churchward. I'm from Exminster Parish Council. I was just wondering, did you get any sort of support from your local district Council?
398 00:43:41.750 --> 00:43:51.029 Sheila Churchward: Could we have? And we're in quite a big area. But our District Council is becoming more and more supportive
399 00:43:51.440 --> 00:44:02.800 Sheila Churchward: the more we talk to them. Not that we make demands, but we because it's no point. But if we talk to them and try and let them know what we're doing and
400 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:09.500 Sheila Churchward: ask them for help or support if necessary. If they are, it's available.
401 00:44:09.820 --> 00:44:21.050 Sheila Churchward: We're finding that we're getting more and more comments from them. They are talking to us more about different things, and I was wondering whether you were finding the same thing, Gillian, when you're.
402 00:44:21.050 --> 00:44:30.799 Gillian Heath: We've certainly had. We've had a lot of money from the various funds we have. We've been successful in a couple of community chest grants.
403 00:44:31.300 --> 00:44:57.880 Gillian Heath: They have helped me to find funding for various projects. We have a very good Mp. Now, Pippa Haylings, who's got very good green credentials she's lived in. I'm actually a paid up member of the Green party, but she's amazing. She's and she's very on board. I think they're very keen. For instance, Nomo may
404 00:44:58.475 --> 00:45:02.600 Gillian Heath: we all about. It's become trendy now, so.
405 00:45:02.600 --> 00:45:03.190 Sheila Churchward: Thanks a lot.
406 00:45:03.190 --> 00:45:05.432 Gillian Heath: Easier now. But
407 00:45:06.660 --> 00:45:13.078 Gillian Heath: yeah, they are on board. They're they're on board a lot of it, because they know it saves them money as well.
408 00:45:13.370 --> 00:45:14.190 Sheila Churchward: Definitely.
409 00:45:14.190 --> 00:45:23.880 Gillian Heath: But it's it's beginning. It's beginning. And the rural fund. Grant. We've just been successful in 10,000 pounds. Wow!
410 00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:25.680 Sheila Churchward: What did you get that for.
411 00:45:25.680 --> 00:45:32.669 Gillian Heath: The Rural Development Fund, and that was through the South Cams Council.
412 00:45:32.670 --> 00:45:33.540 Sheila Churchward: Council.
413 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:42.629 Gillian Heath: And we we got it. And and we're actually scrambling to find how to spend it, because we can buy plants with it. And.
414 00:45:42.630 --> 00:45:46.559 Sheila Churchward: Didn't you have to put in a business case first? st Then.
415 00:45:46.750 --> 00:45:52.150 Gillian Heath: Oh, yes, no, no, it's all been accounted for, but it's a lot of money.
416 00:45:52.460 --> 00:45:53.050 Sheila Churchward: This.
417 00:45:53.050 --> 00:45:53.590 Gillian Heath: And
418 00:45:54.470 --> 00:46:12.320 Gillian Heath: one of the problems is, you can't use that money for labor. You can use it for things, but not for labor. So yet again, we're stuck with well, who does the planting? And we're going paying the tree surgeon to plant 15 large trees around the village now.
419 00:46:13.050 --> 00:46:14.874 Sheila Churchward: Because we've we've just
420 00:46:16.090 --> 00:46:23.280 Sheila Churchward: we've I don't know if you. If have you noticed that new law about the new biodiversity law that came in.
421 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:28.923 Gillian Heath: I've been part. I've had some a planning application going in. It's the right pain.
422 00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:31.040 Sheila Churchward: Well, we've
423 00:46:31.950 --> 00:46:45.899 Sheila Churchward: We want to change our environmental policy for the village, and we're thinking of from all the actions that have come down to us, saying we must do. One of them is to do a biodiversity audit.
424 00:46:46.140 --> 00:46:54.649 Sheila Churchward: and I was wondering if we could apply for a grant to get an ecologist in to do the audit for us rather than
425 00:46:54.870 --> 00:47:04.189 Sheila Churchward: you know. It would take forever for the people in the village. We've got really active people, and we've got a couple of really clever ecologists around.
426 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:24.469 Sheila Churchward: But it would be so much better if we could get some money and actually ask someone to do the audit for us, so we know where we are. We've got a snapshot. It'd be nice to get a snapshot of where we are, and I just wondered how, if difficult it was for you to get grants. You know.
427 00:47:24.819 --> 00:47:39.160 Gillian Heath: Getting. There's a lot of money out there for green projects. There's an awful lot. There's a very good website called Action Funder. I don't know if it's a Cambridgeshire website, but I can look at the link on the chat.
428 00:47:39.160 --> 00:47:41.460 Sheila Churchward: No, no, I'm quite happy to look.
429 00:47:42.020 --> 00:47:42.645 Gillian Heath: And
430 00:47:44.670 --> 00:47:56.289 Gillian Heath: Tcv. Is another one which they they also give you. Free trees like the Woodland Trust. They're only whips, but they grow very well, and they're easy to plant.
431 00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:58.930 Gillian Heath: We grow our own actually.
432 00:47:59.200 --> 00:48:00.009 Gillian Heath: Done even better.
433 00:48:00.010 --> 00:48:08.099 Sheila Churchward: They've got a very active green spaces group in the village, and they've got a double allotment.
434 00:48:08.460 --> 00:48:31.710 Sheila Churchward: and what is provided for them, and they are. They've got a new, a little tree nursery which has been running for 3 years now, and that is, that is lovely. You know. There's about I hate to say it's about 60 or 70 volunteers, not all working at the same time on the Green Spaces group, and they don't pay anything.
435 00:48:32.460 --> 00:48:34.210 Sheila Churchward: It's all voluntary work.
436 00:48:34.210 --> 00:48:38.315 Gillian Heath: You've got 60 or 70 volunteers.
437 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:42.469 Sheila Churchward: Me is is the person who runs it. He is.
438 00:48:43.580 --> 00:48:49.149 Gillian Heath: Because I volunteers is the hardest thing. It's the hardest.
439 00:48:49.330 --> 00:48:53.449 Sheila Churchward: The the things he just talks people into it.
440 00:48:53.920 --> 00:49:11.700 Sheila Churchward: You know. He's just one of these people that talks other people into doing stuff. He's set up just recently with support, he set up a community kitchen garden, and because I'm on the Parish Council, I went along to the 1st few meetings, and to help to set him up and get him going on the right foot.
441 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:20.900 Sheila Churchward: and he's got about 5 or 6 regular volunteers going in just to set up the garden.
442 00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:25.189 Sheila Churchward: and he's got 2 or 3 people doing marketing.
443 00:49:26.190 --> 00:49:31.100 Sheila Churchward: which I'd love if I could get some marketing for the Environment group. That'd be great.
444 00:49:31.100 --> 00:49:32.860 Gillian Heath: You need to talk to him.
445 00:49:33.580 --> 00:49:37.639 Sheila Churchward: I don't know how he does it. I haven't got the gift of the gab he has.
446 00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:42.470 Gillian Heath: But if I mean, they say if you want something done, ask a busy person, you know.
447 00:49:42.955 --> 00:49:43.440 Gillian Heath: Hi!
448 00:49:45.410 --> 00:49:47.039 Gillian Heath: He might give you some tips.
449 00:49:47.040 --> 00:49:49.420 Sheila Churchward: We just. He just knows that the people.
450 00:49:50.060 --> 00:49:56.579 Gillian Heath: The problem with Green, the green grants. I mean, there is a lot of money out there, but you do have to look at the criteria very carefully.
451 00:49:56.580 --> 00:49:57.260 Sheila Churchward: Yes.
452 00:49:57.260 --> 00:50:02.020 Gillian Heath: Because a lot of it is to buy stuff, but not to
453 00:50:02.470 --> 00:50:10.049 Gillian Heath: to get things done. So you may find that there isn't something for your your biodiversity survey, for instance.
454 00:50:10.050 --> 00:50:10.560 Sheila Churchward: No.
455 00:50:10.560 --> 00:50:15.490 Gillian Heath: But it you might. There might be money out there for those sort of things, but you have.
456 00:50:15.490 --> 00:50:16.310 Sheila Churchward: That'd be great.
457 00:50:16.310 --> 00:50:24.280 Gillian Heath: Through the criteria community test is good. There's also the Lottery fund, or often has some green money to give away.
458 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:39.469 Sheila Churchward: I've got the lottery as a list already. I know that we want to put lots of our green spaces information onto parish online, but my issue is trying to get them access.
459 00:50:39.780 --> 00:50:50.429 Sheila Churchward: The people who are on parish online, I'd like to have access to the information. It's pointless online. If they can't have access.
460 00:50:51.170 --> 00:50:56.179 Gillian Heath: We talked about it last week. There's public maps, as I understood last week.
461 00:50:59.116 --> 00:51:01.750 Sheila Churchward: Someone's got to put them
462 00:51:02.300 --> 00:51:07.645 Sheila Churchward: onto the website, haven't they? Someone's got to manage putting the information onto okay,
463 00:51:08.100 --> 00:51:19.180 Sheila Churchward: parish council website. And I haven't got that far. I haven't got that. I haven't got approval from the Parish Council that it's a good way forward
464 00:51:19.240 --> 00:51:20.440 Sheila Churchward: for the type
465 00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:27.969 Sheila Churchward: information from Paris online onto our website, which is such a shame because limited people see it.
466 00:51:28.190 --> 00:51:29.030 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
467 00:51:29.030 --> 00:51:36.540 Gillian Heath: That is a shame because I do. I do the Dpc website. So I just put what I want on.
468 00:51:36.540 --> 00:51:52.190 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Can I raise what I've got 2 issues issues to raise on on use of parish online? Can I raise one now? Because I think it's relevant to this. The parent mapping scheme. Xmap
469 00:51:52.390 --> 00:51:59.290 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: has a system whereby you can give permission to
470 00:52:00.160 --> 00:52:16.989 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: people to access only certain layers. So you, you can create, you can create environment layers and allow access to them, free access to them, easy access to them
471 00:52:16.990 --> 00:52:37.870 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: by your from all in your environment group, and they can't then have access to. They have no access to other layers. So it's just specific layers. Now that I find extremely useful, because people can then go into those layers, and they can add what they've got in their gardens, or they can add what you know, what they've been doing.
472 00:52:37.980 --> 00:52:40.039 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And I'm just wondering whether it.
473 00:52:40.040 --> 00:52:40.500 Gillian Heath: I will!
474 00:52:40.500 --> 00:52:45.260 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Useful useful to actually talk to parish online about that.
475 00:52:45.410 --> 00:52:51.260 Gillian Heath: Yeah, that would definitely be good for us if people could add their own garden.
476 00:52:51.260 --> 00:52:52.040 Sheila Churchward: Yeah.
477 00:52:53.220 --> 00:52:57.180 chris edwards: But you're saying, Andrew, that parish online doesn't have that facility.
478 00:52:57.180 --> 00:52:58.229 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: No, it doesn't.
479 00:52:58.230 --> 00:52:58.950 chris edwards: Excellent.
480 00:52:59.090 --> 00:53:10.099 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: It has a yeah xmap has this extra class of users which is tied to just specific layers that the administrator allows them to access.
481 00:53:10.100 --> 00:53:12.430 Sheila Churchward: And he said, only view only.
482 00:53:13.190 --> 00:53:27.250 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: No, you can make it. They can make you can make it anything. You can make it view, read, read, or write, but they have no access to the other layers, so they can't mess up anybody else's layers, you see, and I think that's particularly useful.
483 00:53:27.580 --> 00:53:31.810 Sheila Churchward: What about the amount of data? You know, someone's got to pay for the data management.
484 00:53:32.250 --> 00:53:38.660 Sheila Churchward: you know, it's all the as as things grow. There's more and more data we've got to pay for space, haven't we?
485 00:53:39.310 --> 00:53:41.849 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Don't know how it works. Do you know how it works, Chris?
486 00:53:41.850 --> 00:53:45.609 chris edwards: No, I've no idea. I wouldn't have thought there was much of a limit.
487 00:53:46.030 --> 00:53:46.910 Sheila Churchward: Really.
488 00:53:47.100 --> 00:53:51.180 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I think I think that what we're charged
489 00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:55.230 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: is dependent on the population of the parish.
490 00:53:55.230 --> 00:53:57.990 chris edwards: Correct. That's right. That's right. Yeah.
491 00:53:58.210 --> 00:54:09.770 Sheila Churchward: So that it doesn't matter how much use it is made of by the by the parish, and they're not going to. They're not going to quantify our.
492 00:54:09.770 --> 00:54:11.760 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I don't think so. No, no.
493 00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:19.149 Sheila Churchward: Our data use, because data use is what they spend, what you buy. You buy the data.
494 00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:20.500 John Roberts: That you agree.
495 00:54:20.500 --> 00:54:24.700 John Roberts: Look at the fact. If you look at the fact that you can add photographs, documents, and yeah.
496 00:54:24.700 --> 00:54:30.210 John Roberts: anything you put on parish online. The amount of data you're actually uploading is tremendous. Yeah.
497 00:54:31.451 --> 00:54:36.429 John Roberts: and there is. There is no limit on what you can do within your sphere.
498 00:54:36.430 --> 00:54:36.820 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
499 00:54:36.820 --> 00:54:38.700 Sheila Churchward: Plus at some point.
500 00:54:38.700 --> 00:54:40.460 Sheila Churchward: They're going to charge us, aren't they?
501 00:54:40.990 --> 00:54:50.890 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I suspect they may, but at the moment, at the moment we are a parish of about 4,300, and we pay about 250 pounds a year, or something like that.
502 00:54:51.560 --> 00:54:53.339 Sheila Churchward: Yes, that is cheap, isn't it?
503 00:54:53.340 --> 00:54:54.540 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, very.
504 00:54:54.750 --> 00:54:57.120 Sheila Churchward: Cheap. Yeah.
505 00:54:57.120 --> 00:54:58.189 chris edwards: Want to come in.
506 00:54:58.553 --> 00:55:09.470 Gillian Heath: It was the only the only thing I could see. Maybe if assuming you could get the Xmap facility on to parish online, the only thing I could see that
507 00:55:09.600 --> 00:55:15.620 Gillian Heath: we might not be able to use it, because if you're granting them access to a whole layer.
508 00:55:15.940 --> 00:55:21.969 Gillian Heath: then they and and they are able to change things in that whole layer.
509 00:55:22.540 --> 00:55:26.830 Gillian Heath: Then they would be able to change stuff in somebody else's garden.
510 00:55:26.830 --> 00:55:28.040 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I know.
511 00:55:28.340 --> 00:55:30.290 Gillian Heath: I don't think we could allow that.
512 00:55:30.290 --> 00:55:30.900 Sheila Churchward: No, that.
513 00:55:30.900 --> 00:55:31.360 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
514 00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:32.330 Sheila Churchward: I'm good.
515 00:55:33.140 --> 00:55:33.830 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
516 00:55:34.070 --> 00:55:38.230 Sheila Churchward: No, either. Access to view only is what we were thinking of.
517 00:55:38.230 --> 00:55:41.019 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, I think that's all we could.
518 00:55:41.020 --> 00:55:44.979 Sheila Churchward: We already any, if they wanted anything changing, to let us know.
519 00:55:44.980 --> 00:55:45.980 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, yeah.
520 00:55:45.980 --> 00:55:49.359 Sheila Churchward: Environment group. No. So we could do the operations.
521 00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:56.249 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: We already have access to, we can grant access to anybody, view only.
522 00:55:56.610 --> 00:56:02.660 Sheila Churchward: I know, but I'm in a funny situation where there's there's sort of a
523 00:56:03.260 --> 00:56:06.370 Sheila Churchward: a not a brick wall, but a glass wall.
524 00:56:06.630 --> 00:56:08.480 Sheila Churchward: The glass wall between
525 00:56:08.620 --> 00:56:14.069 Sheila Churchward: the population. What is going to have? What and what we can use in Parish Council?
526 00:56:14.820 --> 00:56:15.375 Sheila Churchward: And
527 00:56:16.070 --> 00:56:27.700 Sheila Churchward: I just. I'm just feeling quite carefully how a way through. Because I'm already asking for a digital, a community digital platform. And I'm getting lots of
528 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:29.660 Sheila Churchward: rebuffing for that.
529 00:56:30.270 --> 00:56:35.830 chris edwards: So our parish. We've got a really hands on
530 00:56:36.610 --> 00:56:54.940 chris edwards: new new resident, and he's an Ex Army officer, and he's got various skills, and he wants to try and update our speed, speeding speed of traffic through our village, and he's got all the
531 00:56:55.080 --> 00:57:12.369 chris edwards: information at his fingertips and in contact with highways and various government agencies. And we're just about to give him access to parish online to do with our speed indicator device. And he's he's a whiz kid.
532 00:57:12.570 --> 00:57:18.209 chris edwards: where whereas our our regular parish councillors don't have that
533 00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:24.650 chris edwards: interest. So we're we're going to offer him a sort of
534 00:57:25.180 --> 00:57:30.610 chris edwards: it's 1 above read. Only so it's read. Only yeah.
535 00:57:31.340 --> 00:57:33.490 chris edwards: And I can't remember the the forward.
536 00:57:33.490 --> 00:57:34.060 Stuart Bacon: Editor.
537 00:57:35.210 --> 00:57:39.990 chris edwards: So we we're happy to hand over the Sid stuff just to him.
538 00:57:40.310 --> 00:57:44.950 Sheila Churchward: Is read. Only editor. Then you go to 2 different levels of administrator.
539 00:57:44.950 --> 00:57:49.379 chris edwards: Yeah, it's editor. That's right. Thank you for that. Yeah, yeah.
540 00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:53.759 Sheila Churchward: But you know it's actually
541 00:57:54.310 --> 00:58:10.451 Sheila Churchward: the the it. It's a. It's an age thing about giving access, and I know I'm older, anyway. But I've always worked in it, and I think as long as you put the careful controls in, you know proper access controls, you're pretty fine, but
542 00:58:11.010 --> 00:58:18.369 Sheila Churchward: I'm afraid the majority of the people in the Parish Council are reluctant because they don't really understand or
543 00:58:18.530 --> 00:58:20.609 Sheila Churchward: or like it.
544 00:58:21.080 --> 00:58:30.239 Sheila Churchward: You know, it's been really difficult to get them into paper. I've been trying to get everyone to paper free, but they don't. They can't cope with it. They want their paper in front of them.
545 00:58:31.720 --> 00:58:53.959 Sheila Churchward: We're talking now. Way forward is I've actually talked about. If the Parish Council actually purchases tablets for the Parish councillors, so that everything for the Parish Council goes on the tablet. It's all linked in, so all they do is bring it, and then they can just flip through it. They have to keep it going. They have to.
546 00:58:54.130 --> 00:58:55.770 Sheila Churchward: I have to charge it up.
547 00:58:56.040 --> 00:58:56.840 chris edwards: Hmm.
548 00:58:56.840 --> 00:59:00.790 Sheila Churchward: Which was was a bit of a blow to one of the people.
549 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:07.349 Sheila Churchward: and it's so difficult bringing people up in into it. World.
550 00:59:08.130 --> 00:59:09.779 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Do you find that.
551 00:59:10.680 --> 00:59:12.250 Sheila Churchward: Everybody, not.
552 00:59:12.520 --> 00:59:20.900 Stuart Bacon: Yeah, no, you certainly. There are always people who are less less willing. Shall we say.
553 00:59:21.460 --> 00:59:22.120 Sheila Churchward: Yeah.
554 00:59:22.120 --> 00:59:24.030 Stuart Bacon: Yeah, adopt it than others.
555 00:59:25.990 --> 00:59:40.970 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: The other issue about parish online, which is a bit limiting, I think, is that you can only enter things in your own parish, and the trouble with nature is that it doesn't observe parish boundaries.
556 00:59:41.730 --> 00:59:59.119 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And so we've been trying to work together with neighboring parishes. But parish online is not particularly useful for that, simply because each each user is limited only to the the parish that they're working in.
557 00:59:59.590 --> 01:00:00.449 chris edwards: I have the.
558 01:00:01.260 --> 01:00:10.339 chris edwards: Chris Muse was willing to let a neighboring parish share some of the data.
559 01:00:10.340 --> 01:00:11.000 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
560 01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.250 chris edwards: How far they've got with that I don't know.
561 01:00:13.250 --> 01:00:19.220 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: The problem is the the problem is, yeah. Sorry. Sorry, John.
562 01:00:19.220 --> 01:00:19.760 chris edwards: Yeah.
563 01:00:20.150 --> 01:00:26.319 John Roberts: That we're involved with Hbc. Hinkley Point, C nuclear power station.
564 01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:27.110 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.
565 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:33.110 John Roberts: And they have, emergency exit routes which cover several parishes.
566 01:00:33.350 --> 01:00:37.259 John Roberts: And what Chris, with the Avon and Somerset police what Chris did yesterday?
567 01:00:37.420 --> 01:00:40.819 John Roberts: We've got access on parish online to those routes.
568 01:00:41.240 --> 01:00:47.560 John Roberts: and the only people that can see them are the parities involved. And it's collaborative, said.
569 01:00:47.560 --> 01:00:50.820 chris edwards: That up in 5 min yesterday, really.
570 01:00:50.820 --> 01:00:52.670 Sheila Churchward: Excellent, that is lovely.
571 01:00:54.730 --> 01:00:58.199 John Roberts: So yeah, it can be done. If you've got a particular project.
572 01:00:58.790 --> 01:01:02.210 John Roberts: I would say he would probably be amenable. Yeah.
573 01:01:02.260 --> 01:01:14.189 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I started a project which was went outside the parish, which was monitoring the condition of the river parrot, which covers about 10 parishes.
574 01:01:14.740 --> 01:01:31.430 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: and he said, no, this would be legal for me to do it, using parish online, because I don't have the. I can't use the base map legally, because that's about copyright.
575 01:01:31.640 --> 01:01:40.019 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: So what he did was he gave me the use of xmap at a greatly reduced rate, which was rather nice.
576 01:01:43.030 --> 01:01:50.230 chris edwards: So from from what you've just said, Andrew is Xmap A lot, more expensive than parish online.
577 01:01:50.230 --> 01:01:52.250 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, it is. Yeah.
578 01:01:52.250 --> 01:01:53.600 Stuart Bacon: 8 grand a year.
579 01:01:54.420 --> 01:01:54.960 chris edwards: Really!
580 01:01:55.180 --> 01:01:55.990 chris edwards: Oh, gosh!
581 01:01:55.990 --> 01:01:57.950 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, it's very. It's it's big.
582 01:01:58.030 --> 01:01:58.660 Peter Condon: Yeah.
583 01:01:58.660 --> 01:01:59.090 chris edwards: Okay.
584 01:02:00.170 --> 01:02:05.460 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: But it's all to do with ordnance survey rules. That's what's stopping them.
585 01:02:05.460 --> 01:02:16.906 chris edwards: Yes, right. Well, we're coming up almost to 3 o'clock. Can I thank everybody who's participated this afternoon?
586 01:02:17.530 --> 01:02:36.160 chris edwards: I've said to Graham that I'm willing to host next week's meeting unless anybody wants to put their name forward. So if you've got any ideas and want to raise a particular issue as we've done before. Please send an email to Graham.
587 01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:42.359 chris edwards: kill them, put it on the agenda, if that's the right word. And then we could
588 01:02:43.170 --> 01:02:45.649 chris edwards: talk about it at next week's meeting
589 01:02:46.220 --> 01:02:49.419 chris edwards: any last minute points that you want to raise.
590 01:02:50.730 --> 01:02:52.219 Sheila Churchward: No, thank you.
591 01:02:52.470 --> 01:02:58.119 chris edwards: Well, I think we've covered quite a lot of ground today. So thank you very much for all your input.
592 01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:03.830 chris edwards: And we should we should we end the session this afternoon.
593 01:03:04.080 --> 01:03:05.940 John Roberts: Yeah. Okay. Goodbye. Everybody.
594 01:03:05.940 --> 01:03:07.200 chris edwards: Thank you ever so much.
595 01:03:07.200 --> 01:03:07.970 Sheila Churchward: Thank you very much.
596 01:03:08.260 --> 01:03:09.609 Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Bye, all bye.
597 01:03:10.470 --> 01:03:11.330 chris edwards: Bye.