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# 250314 14Mar25 session 25-11 Mapping Environmentals

Hosted by Chris Edwards, questions were answered as usual; then a presentation on "Mapping Environmentals" by Andrew Clegg and Gillian Heath, with a focus on mapping participating gardens

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### Video Timeline (min:sec):

00:00 – 06:15 Trees and Footpaths&#x20;

06:15 – 10:00 Intro to presentation: tracking environmental issues, gardens, in Parish Online&#x20;

10:00 – 12:15 Neighbourhood Plans and Environmental Issues&#x20;

12:15 – 14:15 Biodiversity and Wildlife Trust mapping&#x20;

14:15 – 18:00 Gardens: water, long grass, homes for wildlife, messy not tidy, plants for nectar and pollen, native plants, no chemicals, hedgehogs, nest boxes (swifts), bat boxes&#x20;

18:00 - 29:40 Duxford and cadastral parcels, community greenspaces, fruit trees, compost heaps, fee-paying members&#x20;

29:40 – 31:00 [JNCC](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-lm\&channel=entpr\&q=JNCC) (Joint National Connservation Committee) for classification&#x20;

31:00 – 34:30 Ponds, creating a pond&#x20;

34:30 – 37:30 Measuring outcomes, biodiversity survey, monitoring&#x20;

31:30 – 49:00 working with your District Council, funding, Rural Development Fund&#x20;

49:00 – 57:11 (end) Public Map, data editing, read-only, working outside your parish boundaries

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### Presentation:

No presentation this session - the video is the presentation

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### Chat:

00:36:57 John Roberts: <https://jncc.gov.uk/>\
00:40:35 Andrew Clegg: Handbook for Phase 1\
habitat survey - A technique for environmental audit:\
&#x20;<https://hub.jncc.gov.uk/assets/9578d07b-e018-4c66-9c1b-47110f14df2a><br>

01:02:00 Gillian Heath: Water/ pond with access and escape (without fish if possible, but any water is better than none/ long grass meadow areas/ habitat / dead wood piles and/or rubble for hibernacula / flowers rich in nectar/pollen native trees and shrubs and fruit trees/shrubs / no chemicals or poisons used / compost&#x20;

It was the Farming and Wildlife Advisory Group FWAG who were offering to create ponds and they still say on their website  <https://www.fwageast.org.uk/ponds> \
"FWAG East is working with Natural England to deliver its District Level Licensing (DLL) scheme, a new, strategic, landscape level approach to compensating for great crested newt habitat lost to development. We are actively seeking landowners in Cambs, Herts, Essex and Leics who are interested in creating or restoring wildlife ponds on their land. Most qualifying pond projects have been fully funded under the scheme and there is virtually no paperwork involved for landowners."  and also\
"Did you know we can help with SFI hedgerow assessments and IPM plans, Biodiversity Net Gain baseline surveys and carbon audits? [Contact us](mailto:hello@fwageast.org.uk?subject=SFI/+Hedgerow/+IPM/+BNG/+Carbon+Audit+Enquiry) to arrange yours today."

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chris edwards: right? Well, it's 2 o'clock. So should we kick off? Yeah. Can I invite anybody with a question to start off

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chris edwards: the session, and then we can come to the principal

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Peter Condon: Item, for discussion.

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chris edwards: Any questions.

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John Roberts: No, sir.

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chris edwards: Well, forgive me. Would you mind if I just ask you quickly? In that case let me share my screen.

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chris edwards: Here we go and

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chris edwards: I'm showing you the list of public rights of way footpaths in our in our village.

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chris edwards: and the one question I like to ask is that

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chris edwards: we've got this this small footpath.

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chris edwards: and we've got various private residences alongside each side of the footpath, and where I have got

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chris edwards: my cursor about here.

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chris edwards: There's a Lelandi tree which is now grown to an enormous height, and this person in this house

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chris edwards: is worried about it falling onto his property in high winds.

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chris edwards: Now the question that my clerk has asked, who owns this footpath.

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chris edwards: which, as you can see, is a public right of way. Now I'm pretty sure that our our Parish Council doesn't own the footpath.

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chris edwards: and I would guess that the County Council own this.

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chris edwards: Has anybody any comments to make about that? Perhaps.

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Stuart Bacon: Normally, it's county.

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chris edwards: Yes, I would have thought so.

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chris edwards: Stuart. What were you about to say.

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Stuart Bacon: I think the question you want to ask is not so much. Who owns it? But who's responsible for it? The reason I

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Stuart Bacon: explain the difference. Where public rights away provide access, and whatever they don't necessarily own the land.

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Stuart Bacon: But there is a right for travel across them, whether who's responsible for that? Whatever for maintaining access the public rights Away officer at your County Council should be able to sort of

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Stuart Bacon: tell you who it is that actually does the maintenance of that area.

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Stuart Bacon: Bye, whether or not they own the land or are just responsible for clearing it.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, they'll be able to tell you who's responsible for the maintenance of it.

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Stuart Bacon: And what the ongoing situation would be.

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chris edwards: Okay, that's very helpful. Thank you very much, Stuart.

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chris edwards: Anything else, Gillian, have you any comment? Perhaps.

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Gillian Heath: No, I was just going to say the same thing normally, because we've got we. We actually have

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Gillian Heath: have the maintenance contracts for a couple of the footpaths within Duxford that I know.

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chris edwards: Oh yes!

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Gillian Heath: On our land specifically, but we've taken over the maintenance contracts for them.

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chris edwards: Yes.

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Gillian Heath: So I think that's the question to ask.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Okay. Yes, yes, I mean, I've got. I've got of the overhead aerial shot. The aerial shot.

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Gillian Heath: Yeah.

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chris edwards: And it doesn't really give me any indication of the height here.

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chris edwards: But, anyway, thank you very much for your your comments on that.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I I have. I have one comment.

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chris edwards: Yes, please.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, we had a nice well, a lot of not nice. We had a lot of Lelandi. We still have many in the centre of Martok, and one of them actually did fall over quite recently. Fortunately nobody was there at the time. It just fell on the library.

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chris edwards: Oh!

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: They. They grow extremely fast, and they have a relatively shallow root, and they easily blow over when you get conditions which are not quite normal in our case. It was a strong north wind, and it just fell over across the road.

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chris edwards: Oh, right!

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And we've got lots more ready to fall. I think.

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chris edwards: Yeah.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Them down in the next few weeks.

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chris edwards: Okay, I mean, while we're on the subject.

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chris edwards: let me see if I can just show you

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chris edwards: where. Let me get rid of everybody's photographs.

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chris edwards: this is the tree in question. Yeah.

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Gillian Heath: Yeah.

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chris edwards: And the the person who's worried about it is lives here.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.

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chris edwards: To shock.

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chris edwards: So here's here's the public footpath. Yeah.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: They're an interesting, sterile hybrid of 2 American trees which normally live at the other opposite side of the continent, but happen to be next to each other in the Leyland estate in, I think, in Lancashire, isn't it? And they started producing these hybrids about 1870, and they are very fast growing because they're hybrids, but they're also sterile.

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chris edwards: One interesting thing about this particular tree. There's a single trunk up until about this level.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.

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chris edwards: And it's splits into 2.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: It was a hedge, you see, that makes it much more likely to fall down, Chris.

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chris edwards: Already.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, it was a hedge, and the top was the lead would be cut out, and then it grows outwards.

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chris edwards: Oh!

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: It's a neglected hedge.

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chris edwards: Yes, okay, right? That's fine. That's very valuable. Thank you very much indeed. Right now then, I'll stop sharing.

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chris edwards: And Andrew, what was on your mind when.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Was. What I was going to do was is to introduce a few issues just for 5 min, and then pass the whole thing over to Gillian, who, I think, has got solutions, and so it'll be much more interesting. So shall I do that.

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chris edwards: Please do, go ahead.

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Gillian Heath: Try. We can try.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And then I've got one or 2 comments about the use of parish online for these things or the problems that parish online can't solve, but we could do that towards the end. So shall I take over to start with.

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chris edwards: Yes, please.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I'm going to start with a big picture. Let's

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: let's have a look at this, can you? What do you see now, do you? Oh, wait a minute. I'm good share.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Can you see a pretty picture.

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chris edwards: Yes, yes.

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Stuart Bacon: No.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: That is the valley of the river Parrot, and we have a Mott and Bailey Castle at Montacute, and that's from the top of the Mott and Bailey Castle, and you can't see it without binoculars. But just where my cursor is now is big Carl.

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chris edwards: Oh!

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And the the sea 30 odd miles away, and and you can see big Carl through glasses from from Martok right at the other side of Somerset.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: So what I'm talking, this is the landscape that really we're talking about. It's a very. It's a very agricultural lots of hedges.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: not many areas of apart from the levels which is down.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yes, Somerset levels, not many areas around here which are not agricultural.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: But now what happens if I get rid of that. Do you now see my parish online? Yes.

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chris edwards: Yes.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Oh, excellent!

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Right!

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Stuart Bacon: Do you want a full screen, Matt? Yep, there we go!

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, is it? Is it? I can get it as near as I can to full screen?

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, is that all right?

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chris edwards: It's better.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, I could change it, couldn't I? Just just to show the.

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Gillian Heath: If you go to your green

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Gillian Heath: dot on the top left, it should open up full screen. I think.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Oh, I see. Yes,

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Gillian Heath: Yeah, right up the top left of that.

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Stuart Bacon: Not there? No.

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Gillian Heath: No less, no.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Welcome back!

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Gillian Heath: Online.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Hold on. I've got to. Yeah.

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Gillian Heath: Now go to the green dot. Go left!

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Gillian Heath: Go ahead!

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Gillian Heath: What? That? Oh, is that full screen? Well, I never knew that. But the trouble is, I'm it's no good. You're talking about green dots with me because I'm colorblind

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Gillian Heath: right.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Okay, there we go.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: this is. This is Martok. This is, and what we're trying to, what we're trying to do and have been trying to do for some time is to use parish online to store information about environmental issues as they develop in the parish. And we've had some. It's been, stop and start because we've not got many volunteers working on such issues.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: But I started some years ago because we did the Neighborhood plan, and I can give you a quick look at

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: the kind of I'm now going to switch on 4 layers, and that shows layers of woodland water boundaries that is hedgerows, and so on and grassland. And that's about as far as we got in recording environmental issues here. I mean, for example, if I click on that

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I get

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: our only village common land Cote Common, and I've we've put a few details about it, but not many, including this class thing, which is

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: a system of classification called phase, one classification. I don't know whether anybody's ever used this. It's it's a somewhat old way of classifying different habitats.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: so I won't go into that anymore. But let's let's, I mean, we can look at, for example.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: another one, which is the old railway line, which is largely trees with scrub, and so on. Very nice, very good corridor, wildlife corridor. All the way through the village. Down here we have a little

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: cart gate nature area. I don't know where the you know. We're on the A. 303, which is the Foss way, and it's the it's the main road from London to the West country if you're not going down the M. 4 and M. 5.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: So we're on the Fosse way, and this is a little area next to the Fosse way, which is owned by national highways, and we've turned it into a very small but very rich nature area. Our question is, now, how do we? What should we record about that area? And how should we record it? Because we've got lots of data?

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And this applies to all the other areas around in the parish that are there

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: now, bringing it up to date.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: This was done several years ago, bringing it up to date.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: If I go down parish lairs.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Where are we? Here we are. This was I did this the other day.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Let's turn off all the others, and this is, as far as we've got in our new push towards

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: improving the biodiversity in the parish and planting trees, and so on, with the help of the Wildlife Trust. And so I just did this the other day. This is a rather neglected, not all that neglected, but a bit neglected small recreation ground.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Which we want to, although we want to plant many more wildlife, wild flowers and trees, and so on in

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: so this is the start of a new project where we're working with the Wildlife Trust, and my question is and I've been given the job of mapping it. And so my question is, and this is now I'm looking to Gillian is, what should I map what goes in this side column, and what other things should we put in the in the village as as this develops, here's another one. For example.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: it's a simple, it's an area registered green space in the village so it can't be used for anything it can't be built on.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: but it's just a bit of grassland that that's mowed to death by Somerset, or was South Somerset now South Somerset. And we want to know sort of we're thinking about what to do with it. And then particularly how to record it here.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: So I'm really looking for good ideas. So that's really why I'd like now, if possible, to hand over to Gillian for some solutions. Or maybe if there's anybody got any contributions first.st

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Gillian Heath: Yeah.

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chris edwards: Now let's kick off with Gillian. Following.

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chris edwards: Okay.

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chris edwards: Session.

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Gillian Heath: What? What we have concentrated mainly on gardens, of course. Yeah, because it all started at our festival of nature. We had 2 years ago.

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Gillian Heath: Where we had a really big map that we I'd laminated.

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Gillian Heath: and we had all the gardens. It was pretty much a parish online map of all the properties in their cadestral parcel.

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Gillian Heath: although I wasn't using parish online in those days.

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Gillian Heath: But it was a similar sort of look.

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Gillian Heath: Might have been

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Gillian Heath: ordinance survey whatever and what we asked was for them to pledge their gardens to nature, and then they could come along with a sharpie and color it in.

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Gillian Heath: and we had

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Gillian Heath: these. I'll just I can. I'll put these on the chat. But we had different criteria, 1st being water to provide some kind of water for animals, and if it was a pond or a bowl to have a sloping edge so that creatures could escape if they needed to.

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Gillian Heath: To have to leave some long grass.

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Gillian Heath: Slash meadow, not necessarily planting a meadow, but just leaving long grass

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Gillian Heath: to have homes for creatures in, not go out and buy things, but to have piles of dead wood.

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Gillian Heath: or even rubble which become hibernacle or invertebrates, newts, all sorts of creatures.

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Gillian Heath: and to leave your garden, messy, not keep it all tidy to have flowers in your garden, which are rich in nectar or pollen. A lot of the ornamental flowers are very pretty, but they're not necessarily nectar, rich or pollen rich.

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Gillian Heath: In most cases the native plants, whether they be trees or shrubs, will support more life.

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Gillian Heath: split it into swifts and other net nest boxes, because we know there is a problem with swifts that they're on the red list. Now, I think Swift and a bat box. So we've got those criteria. And I've

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Gillian Heath: I don't have the big map anymore. It's a rolled up in one of the parish garages, but I can share my screen with you.

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chris edwards: Oh, please! Do!

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Gillian Heath: And show you what I've got on parish online.

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Gillian Heath: So this is Duxford.

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Peter Condon: This is Duxford parish.

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Gillian Heath: And I've created the Duxford nature network

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Gillian Heath: and I think I did it mainly using the cadastral parcels. Some of them I just did manually.

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Gillian Heath: But you can see some. There's some strange things. This was definitely cadastral parcels, because

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Stuart Bacon: I love that sort of hourglass.

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Gillian Heath: Yes, it's 2 2 separate properties, and the they've obviously taken a bit of each other's cathedral parcel so they can make a decent drive in.

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Gillian Heath: And a lot of this land is parish land.

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Gillian Heath: many of the bigger parcels. This is my community green space that we developed using money. We got 50,000 pounds from the Landfill Communities Fund to create that green space.

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Gillian Heath: This is an old manor which has never been archaeologically dug. We're not allowed to plant in it even, but it's a green space with water, because we've got the river here.

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Gillian Heath: Unfortunately, I've got no water source on brewery field, but I do have a pond, which is a bit struggles a bit in a dry season.

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Gillian Heath: We've got the allotment gardens up here.

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Gillian Heath: but the rest of these greens are private properties

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Gillian Heath: I haven't used this very much lately.

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Gillian Heath: So let me just look.

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Stuart Bacon: On the right hand side to close it. If you don't mind time of here.

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Gillian Heath: On the right.

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Stuart Bacon: Right hand side of the table view. You can close it if you're trying to, Gillian.

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Gillian Heath: I don't really hate that

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Gillian Heath: There should be. I can. I can get a list, can't I? Somewhere here?

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Gillian Heath: Did you get a drop down list in in here? No.

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John Roberts: No, that will be. That will be Table View.

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Gillian Heath: Okay? Then we do need table view.

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Gillian Heath: which shows the criteria. So we've got accessible water areas of long grass meadow, undisturbed habitat flowers, rich in nectar, pollen, native trees, or shrubs. We've also added a few more fruit trees and shrubs because they provide food, obviously as well as pollen and nectar compost heap is quite important. Really, it provides habitat as well as new material for your garden

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Gillian Heath: and we've got. We asked them to say, have you already done this, or are you planning it within 6 months?

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Gillian Heath: delving down into detail like this is actually keeping track of it and monitoring it. I don't think we need to do it to such detail, but I do think it's useful having the different. For instance, some some did say I do it all, but I can't do a pond, because I've got little children, and I won't have a pond in my garden, but then we try to persuade them that they can provide other water, be it even a barrel in a corner, or something.

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Stuart Bacon: Where you've got those answers of planned within 6 months. Have you got anywhere within that record as to when you received that information.

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Gillian Heath: I have because.

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Stuart Bacon: Runs, runs out.

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Gillian Heath: Just stop sharing my screen at the moment

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Gillian Heath: So we have the date, and we have the address, and we promise not to share that data because of Gdpr. Some didn't want to give us their name necessarily, but they were quite happy to give the address for our records on the grounds that we don't share the data outside

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Gillian Heath: and and we have the date that that was that was promised.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, is that stored in your parish online details as well.

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Gillian Heath: No, not yet. It's it's my it's my goal to do it. I never have time to. I start all these things off, and I don't actually finish anything but I would. I would dearly love to to really get this up and running.

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Gillian Heath: the other thing is saying, it's going to be done with 6 months. Then, within 6 months. Then really, we need somebody to go back and say, Have you actually done it.

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Gillian Heath: And nobody's got the time for that sort of thing. So I'm not not sure, really.

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Gillian Heath: I think, having the ideas and following up at various village events like

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Gillian Heath: we have a ducks for day in the summer, where all the local groups have a stand at the community centre, and we we have this, and we follow it up, and we have the updated map. And then hopefully, we get more signing up. But we also would get

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Gillian Heath: some of the previous people say, Oh, yeah, I put my pond in. Since then that kind of thing which would be good, but we haven't got time to follow it up so so carefully.

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Gillian Heath: But it's certainly

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Gillian Heath: It's nice having the map that I can produce snapshots of.

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Gillian Heath: you know, in 2,020. We had only a couple of little greens

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Gillian Heath: dodges on the map, and the the goal being to turn the whole map green. Eventually.

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chris edwards: Do you?

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chris edwards: How do you reach out to the community? Do you put on a sort of a coffee morning at the Village hall, or that sort of thing.

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Gillian Heath: We? There is a coffee morning every Wednesday at the Village hall, but I I don't attend it very often. It's it's really the clerk surgery, and there's usually one or 2 counselors along with her.

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Gillian Heath: we? We tend to only do it when there's village events, and I have a stall for friend. I have friends of Duxford Green spaces, which isn't. It's not a charity. I have to jump through too many hoops to make it a charity, but it's association, and it's affiliated to the Parish Council, but it's not parish council, and we have members, and we have an income from them, and I can spend the money independently as long as I put it to the membership.

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Gillian Heath: and I have, I have a Facebook page called Duxford Green.

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Gillian Heath: which started off as just brewery field. But we're beginning to make it more

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Gillian Heath: and I plan to put this on ducks for green Facebook. It's not on there yet at all.

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Gillian Heath: I think I might reach more people if I go through the Facebook. The trouble with all social media is having the time to update it and respond to answer the question.

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Gillian Heath: And I don't particularly like social media either. But I do it because just more people.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, how big is your group of friends of green spaces.

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Gillian Heath: I've only got about 40 paying members.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: That's huge.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, with what we can raise.

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Gillian Heath: Charge 15 pounds for a single and 25 pound a year for a family.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Oh, gosh!

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Gillian Heath: And we have. We tried to have festival of Nature once a year, which we did in September last year, and the year before we did in the spring.

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Gillian Heath: So we we try to keep them 18 months apart, because it's hard work and.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.

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Gillian Heath: Everything. You just don't have the people to help.

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Gillian Heath: I have even the paying, even the 40 paying members.

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Gillian Heath: They don't actually do anything.

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Gillian Heath: I can use their money, which is great.

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Gillian Heath: but I have 3 volunteers in the village, and they are the only regular volunteers.

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chris edwards: Yeah, yeah.

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Gillian Heath: We are lucky we've got smt used to be Volvo, which is just at the entrance as you come into Duxford on the A. 5 0. 5, and they give us a day at least one day a year, and sometimes 2 volunteers, and they pay their staff to work for us for a day which is really good.

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chris edwards: Very good.

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Gillian Heath: And we get nice, strong people that can dig, dig and move things, and

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Gillian Heath: aren't all full of spirits. Injuries like we.

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chris edwards: Yeah, is, is the Aircraft Museum fairly close by.

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Gillian Heath: It is, you could walk to it, but it's a horrible walk. It's a busy road, and there's no footpath.

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chris edwards: No, no.

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Gillian Heath: We're we're about half a mile, half a mile from the Museum.

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chris edwards: Yeah.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And your group of you. Sorry? Chris, yeah.

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chris edwards: I just think saying, Julian, thank you very much indeed for updating us about your project in Duxford.

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chris edwards: So carry on, Andrew, please.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Now I was also going to ask your group of 3. Is it in like Martok, average age of about 80.

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Gillian Heath: I think I think we're between 60 and 70.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Okay.

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Gillian Heath: We and and I've got a I've got quite an amenable husband who will do do things for me. He doesn't like to be included in the group. But if I.

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chris edwards: Yeah.

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Gillian Heath: Try to persuade him, do some heavy.

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Gillian Heath: The hardest thing is watering, watering new trees and shrubs. When I, when I plant.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.

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Gillian Heath: Brewery field. We got a lot of trees from the Woodland Trust that were just the whips.

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chris edwards: Hmm.

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Gillian Heath: And we also planted some bigger trees. And we pretty much had drought that whole 1st year. And most of yeah, and we're on chalk. So even when we get rain, it just goes straight through to the water tank, and it was really hard work. I was so grateful that they're 5 years old now, because they're strong enough to survive a few dry weeks.

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chris edwards: Yeah.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Now we never had that problem because we live in Somerset Clay, which is, you know, we've got almost infinite depth of clay, and we've only been. We planted things about 3 years ago, and it's never stopped raining since.

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chris edwards: Oh!

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Gillian Heath: Well, I think we get the least rain in the country.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yes, something you do. Yeah.

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Gillian Heath: I was very interested in the the environmental things, the woodland, water, grassland and boundaries.

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Gillian Heath: I I think we could. We could start adding stuff like that to our parish online sounds quite an interesting idea.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yes, it's the Jncc. Join something of

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: joint nature conservation, something. Jncc.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: phase, one classification. I'll try and find a reference to it. But it comes. There is a booklet that comes with it which is a bit intimidating. But once you look at it, it's actually a fairly simple way of classifying things, and you can. What I've found is I could make it even simpler by

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: not using most of the most of the classifications. I'll try and find it. I'll try and find the booklet and put it on the on the chat.

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Gillian Heath: Right.

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chris edwards: Thank you. Yeah.

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chris edwards: Jillian, have you mentioned the word palms a few times? Let me, if you don't mind, let me share my screen once more.

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chris edwards: Oh.

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John Roberts: Kevin.

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chris edwards: Right if I zoom out and get rid of the rights of way.

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chris edwards: And last week I showed showed you an area of land that we have here.

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Gillian Heath: Oh, yeah.

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Peter Condon: Right.

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chris edwards: Now this is very, very steep, as you can see by these contours.

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chris edwards: I like the I like the idea of putting in a pond for wildlife.

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chris edwards: Where I've got my cursor. This is a public right of way leading into our village here.

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Peter Condon: Fine.

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chris edwards: But there's no area for parking of cars.

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chris edwards: so one would have to walk all the way from the village up to this point

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chris edwards: and then go down the steep hill.

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chris edwards: It it it! It bottoms out here.

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chris edwards: and I'm just wondering whether or not we could possibly think about putting in a pond here

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chris edwards: as opposed to at the top, which

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chris edwards: there's a very small amount of flat land here.

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chris edwards: Yeah.

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chris edwards: but but I think your idea of attracting wildlife with with water is is ideal. So I shall look into the possibilities of putting a pond down here.

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Gillian Heath: The lower area would definitely be the more suitable, I would think. Do you have any areas on the land that stay wet and mushy, even when it's a bit dry.

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chris edwards: I wouldn't have said so. No, no, no, I, if you are to ask me what the

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chris edwards: what will, the what the the soil is like I wouldn't have a clue.

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chris edwards: so I must find that out.

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Gillian Heath: If it's if it's clay, you could.

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chris edwards: Hmm.

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Gillian Heath: Probably get away without lining a pond.

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chris edwards: Yes.

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Gillian Heath: But if it's not clay or chalky, you would need a liner.

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chris edwards: Yes, quite quite

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chris edwards: Well, I'm sure they are in the area, but I wouldn't know where where they literally.

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Gillian Heath: I'll I'll try and find

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Gillian Heath: I have a part on a bit of land in Duxford, and we had an offer from. I think it was the Rural fund or someone, and they they were offering to build and fund ponds

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Gillian Heath: as long as you were in a catchment area for the great crested nut. I'll try and find the link or the person it might. It might probably doesn't even apply anymore. But it might be relevant email.

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chris edwards: Oh, yeah, well, that's marvellous. Thank you very much. Gillian.

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chris edwards: Last week I showed everybody this area of land.

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chris edwards: Andrew Andrew. When you were showing your locations in Martok.

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chris edwards: I think it might be helpful for you to actually display or or have the acreage of your common land.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.

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chris edwards: Think here we are. This area is 11.7 acres.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.

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chris edwards: Whether you could add that to your information about the areas of land.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: That's a good idea. Yeah.

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Peter Condon: Yeah, yeah.

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chris edwards: Can I bring in anybody else who might be interested in what we've been discussing

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chris edwards: or not?

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Okay.

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chris edwards: So I'll stop sharing my screen.

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chris edwards: So let me welcome people whose names I haven't come across before. If please unmute yourself if you want to ask a question or raise a point, you're more than welcome.

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Christine Fisher Kay: I'm I'm Christine Fisher, Guy.

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Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: Could I?

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Betsy Reid: Does this go on for some time.

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Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: Congratulate Gillian on her work.

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Betsy Reid: Yeah.

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chris edwards: Yes.

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Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: That that is fantastic result. And you're actually not far from where we are.

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Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: I am.

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Betsy Reid: Okay.

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Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: But we're on London clay here, so slightly different soil. But I was just wondering, have you got any means or plans to measure the outcomes from your interventions.

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Gillian Heath: No, but I have a very friendly ecologist in Whittlesford. Who's that's the next village, and he helped me an awful lot in creating brewery field.

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Gillian Heath: And he will do a biodiversity survey for me on any piece of land

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Gillian Heath: like not all the time. But I think I mean brewery field. We did one before we put the green space there, and he does an annual survey for me now both the pond and the grassland.

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Gillian Heath: So I have a record for that.

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Gillian Heath: As to gardens in the village, I don't think we'd be able to monitor that in the same way.

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Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: No, I mean, my my feeling is that

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Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: People are more likely to get involved if they can get feedback.

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Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: I feel the same about recycling. As far as I can tell, we get absolutely no feedback from the Council on how good we are at recycling, or what happens to recycling, they just measure the amount. Whereas if you could feed back to people

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Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: what they're doing wrong, what they're doing well, likewise feedback

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Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: if they have put the bird boxes in. We we have

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Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: encourage. We've now got 20 swifts nesting in the village.

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Gillian Heath: Yes, I I think we that's something we certainly need to look at. We need to ask them to tell us what's changed in their gardens different butterflies, or I mean, we do monitor things like turtle doves and and stuff like that. We haven't got any in the village, but they're coming closer to the village at the moment. So yeah, we are. We are trying to monitor things, but I haven't. I haven't. It's something we need to look at.

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Cllr Stuart Withington, Gt Dunmow-TC, Essex: Thanks.

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Sheila Churchward: I'm Sheila Churchward. I'm from Exminster Parish Council. I was just wondering, did you get any sort of support from your local district Council?

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Sheila Churchward: Could we have? And we're in quite a big area. But our District Council is becoming more and more supportive

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Sheila Churchward: the more we talk to them. Not that we make demands, but we because it's no point. But if we talk to them and try and let them know what we're doing and

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Sheila Churchward: ask them for help or support if necessary. If they are, it's available.

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Sheila Churchward: We're finding that we're getting more and more comments from them. They are talking to us more about different things, and I was wondering whether you were finding the same thing, Gillian, when you're.

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Gillian Heath: We've certainly had. We've had a lot of money from the various funds we have. We've been successful in a couple of community chest grants.

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Gillian Heath: They have helped me to find funding for various projects. We have a very good Mp. Now, Pippa Haylings, who's got very good green credentials she's lived in. I'm actually a paid up member of the Green party, but she's amazing. She's and she's very on board. I think they're very keen. For instance, Nomo may

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Gillian Heath: we all about. It's become trendy now, so.

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Sheila Churchward: Thanks a lot.

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Gillian Heath: Easier now. But

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Gillian Heath: yeah, they are on board. They're they're on board a lot of it, because they know it saves them money as well.

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Sheila Churchward: Definitely.

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Gillian Heath: But it's it's beginning. It's beginning. And the rural fund. Grant. We've just been successful in 10,000 pounds. Wow!

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Sheila Churchward: What did you get that for.

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Gillian Heath: The Rural Development Fund, and that was through the South Cams Council.

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Sheila Churchward: Council.

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Gillian Heath: And we we got it. And and we're actually scrambling to find how to spend it, because we can buy plants with it. And.

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Sheila Churchward: Didn't you have to put in a business case first? st Then.

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Gillian Heath: Oh, yes, no, no, it's all been accounted for, but it's a lot of money.

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Sheila Churchward: This.

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Gillian Heath: And

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Gillian Heath: one of the problems is, you can't use that money for labor. You can use it for things, but not for labor. So yet again, we're stuck with well, who does the planting? And we're going paying the tree surgeon to plant 15 large trees around the village now.

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Sheila Churchward: Because we've we've just

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Sheila Churchward: we've I don't know if you. If have you noticed that new law about the new biodiversity law that came in.

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Gillian Heath: I've been part. I've had some a planning application going in. It's the right pain.

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Sheila Churchward: Well, we've

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Sheila Churchward: We want to change our environmental policy for the village, and we're thinking of from all the actions that have come down to us, saying we must do. One of them is to do a biodiversity audit.

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Sheila Churchward: and I was wondering if we could apply for a grant to get an ecologist in to do the audit for us rather than

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Sheila Churchward: you know. It would take forever for the people in the village. We've got really active people, and we've got a couple of really clever ecologists around.

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Sheila Churchward: But it would be so much better if we could get some money and actually ask someone to do the audit for us, so we know where we are. We've got a snapshot. It'd be nice to get a snapshot of where we are, and I just wondered how, if difficult it was for you to get grants. You know.

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Gillian Heath: Getting. There's a lot of money out there for green projects. There's an awful lot. There's a very good website called Action Funder. I don't know if it's a Cambridgeshire website, but I can look at the link on the chat.

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Sheila Churchward: No, no, I'm quite happy to look.

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Gillian Heath: And

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Gillian Heath: Tcv. Is another one which they they also give you. Free trees like the Woodland Trust. They're only whips, but they grow very well, and they're easy to plant.

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Gillian Heath: We grow our own actually.

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Gillian Heath: Done even better.

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Sheila Churchward: They've got a very active green spaces group in the village, and they've got a double allotment.

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Sheila Churchward: and what is provided for them, and they are. They've got a new, a little tree nursery which has been running for 3 years now, and that is, that is lovely. You know. There's about I hate to say it's about 60 or 70 volunteers, not all working at the same time on the Green Spaces group, and they don't pay anything.

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Sheila Churchward: It's all voluntary work.

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Gillian Heath: You've got 60 or 70 volunteers.

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Sheila Churchward: Me is is the person who runs it. He is.

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Gillian Heath: Because I volunteers is the hardest thing. It's the hardest.

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Sheila Churchward: The the things he just talks people into it.

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Sheila Churchward: You know. He's just one of these people that talks other people into doing stuff. He's set up just recently with support, he set up a community kitchen garden, and because I'm on the Parish Council, I went along to the 1st few meetings, and to help to set him up and get him going on the right foot.

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Sheila Churchward: and he's got about 5 or 6 regular volunteers going in just to set up the garden.

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Sheila Churchward: and he's got 2 or 3 people doing marketing.

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Sheila Churchward: which I'd love if I could get some marketing for the Environment group. That'd be great.

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Gillian Heath: You need to talk to him.

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Sheila Churchward: I don't know how he does it. I haven't got the gift of the gab he has.

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Gillian Heath: But if I mean, they say if you want something done, ask a busy person, you know.

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Gillian Heath: Hi!

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Gillian Heath: He might give you some tips.

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Sheila Churchward: We just. He just knows that the people.

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Gillian Heath: The problem with Green, the green grants. I mean, there is a lot of money out there, but you do have to look at the criteria very carefully.

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Sheila Churchward: Yes.

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Gillian Heath: Because a lot of it is to buy stuff, but not to

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Gillian Heath: to get things done. So you may find that there isn't something for your your biodiversity survey, for instance.

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Sheila Churchward: No.

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Gillian Heath: But it you might. There might be money out there for those sort of things, but you have.

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Sheila Churchward: That'd be great.

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Gillian Heath: Through the criteria community test is good. There's also the Lottery fund, or often has some green money to give away.

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Sheila Churchward: I've got the lottery as a list already. I know that we want to put lots of our green spaces information onto parish online, but my issue is trying to get them access.

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Sheila Churchward: The people who are on parish online, I'd like to have access to the information. It's pointless online. If they can't have access.

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Gillian Heath: We talked about it last week. There's public maps, as I understood last week.

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Sheila Churchward: Someone's got to put them

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Sheila Churchward: onto the website, haven't they? Someone's got to manage putting the information onto okay,

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Sheila Churchward: parish council website. And I haven't got that far. I haven't got that. I haven't got approval from the Parish Council that it's a good way forward

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Sheila Churchward: for the type

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Sheila Churchward: information from Paris online onto our website, which is such a shame because limited people see it.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.

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Gillian Heath: That is a shame because I do. I do the Dpc website. So I just put what I want on.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Can I raise what I've got 2 issues issues to raise on on use of parish online? Can I raise one now? Because I think it's relevant to this. The parent mapping scheme. Xmap

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: has a system whereby you can give permission to

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: people to access only certain layers. So you, you can create, you can create environment layers and allow access to them, free access to them, easy access to them

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: by your from all in your environment group, and they can't then have access to. They have no access to other layers. So it's just specific layers. Now that I find extremely useful, because people can then go into those layers, and they can add what they've got in their gardens, or they can add what you know, what they've been doing.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And I'm just wondering whether it.

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Gillian Heath: I will!

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Useful useful to actually talk to parish online about that.

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Gillian Heath: Yeah, that would definitely be good for us if people could add their own garden.

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Sheila Churchward: Yeah.

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chris edwards: But you're saying, Andrew, that parish online doesn't have that facility.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: No, it doesn't.

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chris edwards: Excellent.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: It has a yeah xmap has this extra class of users which is tied to just specific layers that the administrator allows them to access.

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Sheila Churchward: And he said, only view only.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: No, you can make it. They can make you can make it anything. You can make it view, read, read, or write, but they have no access to the other layers, so they can't mess up anybody else's layers, you see, and I think that's particularly useful.

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Sheila Churchward: What about the amount of data? You know, someone's got to pay for the data management.

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Sheila Churchward: you know, it's all the as as things grow. There's more and more data we've got to pay for space, haven't we?

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Don't know how it works. Do you know how it works, Chris?

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chris edwards: No, I've no idea. I wouldn't have thought there was much of a limit.

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Sheila Churchward: Really.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I think I think that what we're charged

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: is dependent on the population of the parish.

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chris edwards: Correct. That's right. That's right. Yeah.

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Sheila Churchward: So that it doesn't matter how much use it is made of by the by the parish, and they're not going to. They're not going to quantify our.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I don't think so. No, no.

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Sheila Churchward: Our data use, because data use is what they spend, what you buy. You buy the data.

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John Roberts: That you agree.

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John Roberts: Look at the fact. If you look at the fact that you can add photographs, documents, and yeah.

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John Roberts: anything you put on parish online. The amount of data you're actually uploading is tremendous. Yeah.

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John Roberts: and there is. There is no limit on what you can do within your sphere.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.

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Sheila Churchward: Plus at some point.

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Sheila Churchward: They're going to charge us, aren't they?

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I suspect they may, but at the moment, at the moment we are a parish of about 4,300, and we pay about 250 pounds a year, or something like that.

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Sheila Churchward: Yes, that is cheap, isn't it?

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, very.

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Sheila Churchward: Cheap. Yeah.

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chris edwards: Want to come in.

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Gillian Heath: It was the only the only thing I could see. Maybe if assuming you could get the Xmap facility on to parish online, the only thing I could see that

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Gillian Heath: we might not be able to use it, because if you're granting them access to a whole layer.

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Gillian Heath: then they and and they are able to change things in that whole layer.

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Gillian Heath: Then they would be able to change stuff in somebody else's garden.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I know.

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Gillian Heath: I don't think we could allow that.

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Sheila Churchward: No, that.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.

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Sheila Churchward: I'm good.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.

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Sheila Churchward: No, either. Access to view only is what we were thinking of.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, I think that's all we could.

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Sheila Churchward: We already any, if they wanted anything changing, to let us know.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, yeah.

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Sheila Churchward: Environment group. No. So we could do the operations.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: We already have access to, we can grant access to anybody, view only.

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Sheila Churchward: I know, but I'm in a funny situation where there's there's sort of a

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Sheila Churchward: a not a brick wall, but a glass wall.

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Sheila Churchward: The glass wall between

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Sheila Churchward: the population. What is going to have? What and what we can use in Parish Council?

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Sheila Churchward: And

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Sheila Churchward: I just. I'm just feeling quite carefully how a way through. Because I'm already asking for a digital, a community digital platform. And I'm getting lots of

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Sheila Churchward: rebuffing for that.

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chris edwards: So our parish. We've got a really hands on

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chris edwards: new new resident, and he's an Ex Army officer, and he's got various skills, and he wants to try and update our speed, speeding speed of traffic through our village, and he's got all the

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chris edwards: information at his fingertips and in contact with highways and various government agencies. And we're just about to give him access to parish online to do with our speed indicator device. And he's he's a whiz kid.

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chris edwards: where whereas our our regular parish councillors don't have that

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chris edwards: interest. So we're we're going to offer him a sort of

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chris edwards: it's 1 above read. Only so it's read. Only yeah.

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chris edwards: And I can't remember the the forward.

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Stuart Bacon: Editor.

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chris edwards: So we we're happy to hand over the Sid stuff just to him.

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Sheila Churchward: Is read. Only editor. Then you go to 2 different levels of administrator.

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chris edwards: Yeah, it's editor. That's right. Thank you for that. Yeah, yeah.

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Sheila Churchward: But you know it's actually

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Sheila Churchward: the the it. It's a. It's an age thing about giving access, and I know I'm older, anyway. But I've always worked in it, and I think as long as you put the careful controls in, you know proper access controls, you're pretty fine, but

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Sheila Churchward: I'm afraid the majority of the people in the Parish Council are reluctant because they don't really understand or

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Sheila Churchward: or like it.

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Sheila Churchward: You know, it's been really difficult to get them into paper. I've been trying to get everyone to paper free, but they don't. They can't cope with it. They want their paper in front of them.

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Sheila Churchward: We're talking now. Way forward is I've actually talked about. If the Parish Council actually purchases tablets for the Parish councillors, so that everything for the Parish Council goes on the tablet. It's all linked in, so all they do is bring it, and then they can just flip through it. They have to keep it going. They have to.

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Sheila Churchward: I have to charge it up.

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chris edwards: Hmm.

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Sheila Churchward: Which was was a bit of a blow to one of the people.

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Sheila Churchward: and it's so difficult bringing people up in into it. World.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Do you find that.

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Sheila Churchward: Everybody, not.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, no, you certainly. There are always people who are less less willing. Shall we say.

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Sheila Churchward: Yeah.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, adopt it than others.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: The other issue about parish online, which is a bit limiting, I think, is that you can only enter things in your own parish, and the trouble with nature is that it doesn't observe parish boundaries.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: And so we've been trying to work together with neighboring parishes. But parish online is not particularly useful for that, simply because each each user is limited only to the the parish that they're working in.

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chris edwards: I have the.

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chris edwards: Chris Muse was willing to let a neighboring parish share some of the data.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.

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chris edwards: How far they've got with that I don't know.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: The problem is the the problem is, yeah. Sorry. Sorry, John.

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chris edwards: Yeah.

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John Roberts: That we're involved with Hbc. Hinkley Point, C nuclear power station.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah.

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John Roberts: And they have, emergency exit routes which cover several parishes.

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John Roberts: And what Chris, with the Avon and Somerset police what Chris did yesterday?

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John Roberts: We've got access on parish online to those routes.

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John Roberts: and the only people that can see them are the parities involved. And it's collaborative, said.

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chris edwards: That up in 5 min yesterday, really.

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Sheila Churchward: Excellent, that is lovely.

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John Roberts: So yeah, it can be done. If you've got a particular project.

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John Roberts: I would say he would probably be amenable. Yeah.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: I started a project which was went outside the parish, which was monitoring the condition of the river parrot, which covers about 10 parishes.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: and he said, no, this would be legal for me to do it, using parish online, because I don't have the. I can't use the base map legally, because that's about copyright.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: So what he did was he gave me the use of xmap at a greatly reduced rate, which was rather nice.

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chris edwards: So from from what you've just said, Andrew is Xmap A lot, more expensive than parish online.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, it is. Yeah.

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Stuart Bacon: 8 grand a year.

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chris edwards: Really!

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chris edwards: Oh, gosh!

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Yeah, it's very. It's it's big.

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Peter Condon: Yeah.

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chris edwards: Okay.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: But it's all to do with ordnance survey rules. That's what's stopping them.

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chris edwards: Yes, right. Well, we're coming up almost to 3 o'clock. Can I thank everybody who's participated this afternoon?

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chris edwards: I've said to Graham that I'm willing to host next week's meeting unless anybody wants to put their name forward. So if you've got any ideas and want to raise a particular issue as we've done before. Please send an email to Graham.

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chris edwards: kill them, put it on the agenda, if that's the right word. And then we could

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chris edwards: talk about it at next week's meeting

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chris edwards: any last minute points that you want to raise.

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Sheila Churchward: No, thank you.

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chris edwards: Well, I think we've covered quite a lot of ground today. So thank you very much for all your input.

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chris edwards: And we should we should we end the session this afternoon.

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John Roberts: Yeah. Okay. Goodbye. Everybody.

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chris edwards: Thank you ever so much.

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Sheila Churchward: Thank you very much.

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Andrew Clegg, Martock, Somerset: Bye, all bye.

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chris edwards: Bye.