> For the complete documentation index, see [llms.txt](https://chagos.gitbook.io/parish-online/llms.txt). Markdown versions of documentation pages are available by appending `.md` to page URLs; this page is available as [Markdown](https://chagos.gitbook.io/parish-online/parish-online-banter-sessions/251010-10oct25-session-25-41.md). # 251010 - 10Oct25 - session 25-41 Footpaths, Stiles, Icons, EPC, AI and XMAP, Nature Recovery Strategy, Nature Wildlife Corridors, new boundaries in Somerset, National Grid data, plenty of Banter {% embed url="" %} ### Video Timeline: (min:sec) 00:00 01:57 Introductory Banter 01:57 - 12:15 Footpaths, Stiles and relevant icons 12:15 - 13:20 Banter 13:20 - 20:20 EPC - follow-up from last week combining data from GOV.UK and Parish Online - imports into Parish Online 20:20 - 26:30 Data imports into XMAP, and help from AI in reformatting data 26:30 - 29:28 Somerset Nature Recovery Strategy and mapping - liaison with county IT/GIS 29:28 - 34:00 Two-way data to/from county and parish councils 34:00 - 37:30 Nature Wildlife Corridors 37:30 - 43:00 banter, including new council boundaries in Somerset 43:00 - 48:00 National Grid data, both within Parish Online, and without 48:00 - 54:26 (end) banter *** ### Meeting Summary: ### Quick recap The meeting began with informal discussions about recent events and updates on various projects, including public rights of way and mapping interfaces. The group then focused on data management challenges, particularly regarding EPC data analysis and mapping, while Graham shared his experiences with using AI tools for data processing. The latter part of the meeting covered conservation efforts and parish boundary changes in Somerset, along with discussions about integrating National Grid data into Parish Online. ### Next steps * [John to look into Somerset's local nature recovery strategy and the mapping issues raised by Andrew regarding parish involvement.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=aLrnyUV%2BQNCQrhy2Qry%2Bbw%3D%3D\&stepId=b7666f63-a5e0-11f0-843e-4ac93998106a) * [Andrew to respond to Somerset's nature recovery strategy by the end of October.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=aLrnyUV%2BQNCQrhy2Qry%2Bbw%3D%3D\&stepId=b76673ab-a5e0-11f0-bcee-4ac93998106a) * [Chris to continue updating the public rights of way map with gates, styles, and signposts, consolidating the three separate layers into one layer with status field.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=aLrnyUV%2BQNCQrhy2Qry%2Bbw%3D%3D\&stepId=b766758a-a5e0-11f0-b5aa-4ac93998106a) * [David to send his EPC data spreadsheet to the Parish Online help desk and ask them to upload it into a Parish layer.](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=aLrnyUV%2BQNCQrhy2Qry%2Bbw%3D%3D\&stepId=b766771e-a5e0-11f0-b352-4ac93998106a) ### Summary #### Public Rights of Way Project Update The meeting began with informal greetings and small talk about the weather and a recent conference organized by SALC, which John noted was more focused and successful than the previous year. Chris provided an update on his project involving public rights of way, specifically focusing on listing gates, styles, and signposts. He highlighted the need to distinguish between different types of structures and mentioned plans to work with a Somerset Council officer to address issues such as a damaged style that poses difficulty for older adults, with the intention of replacing it with a kissing gate. #### Map Interface Status Field Update Chris and Graham discussed updating a map interface by adding a status field to consolidate multiple layers into one. They demonstrated how to style different icons based on status, with Chris agreeing to use a "no-entry" sign for removed items. Graham suggested using class-based styling and showed Chris how to select appropriate icons from a library. The conversation concluded with Chris agreeing to consolidate the three layers into one and Graham introducing David to the group. #### EPC Data Management Updates The meeting discussed updates on data management and mapping issues. David shared his progress on EPC data analysis, noting challenges in accessing and displaying the data on public maps. Graham suggested uploading the data to a Parish layer for better control and frequent updates. They also discussed the need to improve public awareness of EPC ratings to encourage energy efficiency improvements. Stuart provided an update on the development of displaying EPC data on public maps, indicating it's on the development list. #### AI Tools for Data Conversion Graham encountered issues with uploading a file to Parish Online due to a syntax error and file naming constraints. After multiple attempts and assistance from the help desk and AI tools like Claude and ChatGPT, he managed to convert the data to the required British National Grid format. While Claude provided a solution but took time, ChatGPT initially failed to make the changes but eventually corrected its output. Graham noted that ChatGPT mangled unrelated data columns, highlighting the trade-off between speed and accuracy when using AI tools for data processing. #### AI Development and Data Integration The group discussed the development and potential of AI, with Graham sharing his experience using Claude for customer service, noting its thoughtful and apologetic nature. Andrew raised concerns about the lack of a suitable mapping platform for parish nature recovery projects, highlighting the need for compatible software to allow data transfer. John mentioned the positive relationship between Chris Mews and Adam Reimer, which has led to a significant amount of data being uploaded from Somerset, though much of it is not very useful. The group agreed to explore the possibility of using Parish Online to receive data from higher authorities, with John offering to follow up on this. #### Somerset Nature Recovery Strategy Discussion The group discussed Somerset's local nature recovery strategy, which Andrew found difficult to navigate on his new Mac OS 26. They noted that the strategy provided limited mapping tools and guidance for parishes, with a requirement to respond by the end of October. The conversation then shifted to conservation efforts, including building corridors for rare species like the shrill carder bee and brown hairstreak butterfly, as well as vipers, across different regions in the UK. David mentioned ongoing work in North Hampshire and Surrey to create connected habitats for these species. #### Somerset Parish Boundary Review The group discussed changes to parish boundaries in Somerset, with the Electoral Commission planning to review and potentially merge smaller parishes by 2027. John explained that this initiative follows the completion of ward boundary reviews, addressing anomalies such as parish boundaries running through houses and situations where ratepayers benefit from authorities in neighboring areas. The discussion highlighted examples of proposed mergers, including Ubley and Langport, while noting resistance in some areas like Ansford, and touched on historical issues with West Somerset's financial viability due to its lack of industry. #### National Grid Data Integration Discussion The group discussed the integration of National Grid data into Parish Online, noting that while detailed substation and transmission line information is available from the National Grid's website, Parish Online currently only displays major overhead transmission routes. Andrew shared his experience of using this data for a large-scale electric vehicle charging station development, highlighting the importance of accurate substation location information. Stuart confirmed that Parish Online can upload shapefiles, though the group expressed surprise that this valuable data isn't already being incorporated into the system. #### XMAP Upload File Name Issue Graham attempted to upload shape files into XMAP but encountered syntax errors due to file name length exceeding 6 characters. He planned to shorten the file names and retry the upload. The conversation ended with participants agreeing to end early, with no other significant discussions or decisions made. *** ### Chat: 00:20:00 Stuart Bacon: the layers are a large dataset and there needs some work to be able to deliver that in a Public map at present. Sorry to be vague, it is on the development list. 00:20:30 Stuart Bacon: That's the response I got from Parish Online about he EPC data not showing in public maps last week. 00:34:38 Stuart Bacon: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS\_version\_history ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_version_history) 00:36:43 Stuart Bacon: [https://www.bumblebeeconservation.org/learn-about-bumblebees/species-guide/shrill-carder-bee/ ](https://www.bumblebeeconservation.org/learn-about-bumblebees/species-guide/shrill-carder-bee/) 00:37:22 Stuart Bacon: [https://www.facebook.com/ourlivinglevels/videos/one-of-the-few-locations-to-spot-the-rare-shrill-carder-bee-in-the-uk-is-along-t/1099432288321168/ ](https://www.facebook.com/ourlivinglevels/videos/one-of-the-few-locations-to-spot-the-rare-shrill-carder-bee-in-the-uk-is-along-t/1099432288321168/) 00:42:22 Stuart Bacon: [https://www.lgbce.org.uk/changing-parish-boundaries ](https://www.lgbce.org.uk/changing-parish-boundaries) 00:45:56 Stuart Bacon: Can Parish Online upload these shape files? 00:45:58 Stuart Bacon: 00:48:20 Andrew Clegg: *** ### Audio-transcript: WEBVTT 1\ 00:00:10.580 --> 00:00:11.910\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let me see another guy. 2\ 00:00:22.820 --> 00:00:23.770\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: You can go. 3\ 00:00:24.090 --> 00:00:26.930\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: John Christine from Bali. 4\ 00:00:27.580 --> 00:00:28.740\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: David? 5\ 00:00:32.740 --> 00:00:35.060\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: James from Botley and David, okay. 6\ 00:01:08.250 --> 00:01:10.290\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Welcome back, sir! 7\ 00:01:10.900 --> 00:01:11.950\ john Roberts: Hello, Graham. 8\ 00:01:11.950 --> 00:01:13.459\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Very nice to see you! 9\ 00:01:13.820 --> 00:01:14.550\ john Roberts: And you? 10\ 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:18.420\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you… Missing the sunshine already? 11\ 00:01:19.060 --> 00:01:20.170\ john Roberts: Yep. 12\ 00:01:20.520 --> 00:01:23.659\ john Roberts: Yeah, especially today, it's a bit cold today. 13\ 00:01:25.360 --> 00:01:26.620\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: in comparison. 14\ 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:27.680\ john Roberts: Yep. 15\ 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:32.609\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because actually, we're all thinking how mild it is this winter, or summer, or autumn, whatever we are in. 16\ 00:01:33.190 --> 00:01:41.740\ john Roberts: Well, let's wait and see what we get. I was back a couple of weeks ago, but we had the, SALT conference last Friday, so I was at that all day. 17\ 00:01:42.020 --> 00:01:42.850\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay. 18\ 00:01:43.020 --> 00:01:44.159\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Was it fun? 19\ 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:48.619\ john Roberts: It was a better… far better conference than we had last year. 20\ 00:01:50.810 --> 00:01:51.500\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Particularly. 21\ 00:01:51.500 --> 00:01:52.560\ john Roberts: It's worthwhile. 22\ 00:01:54.880 --> 00:01:57.269\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Any particular reason for it being better this year? 23\ 00:01:58.430 --> 00:02:02.140\ john Roberts: Yeah, Salk organise it themselves, rather than letting Somerset Council do it. 24\ 00:02:04.450 --> 00:02:04.980\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Bye. 25\ 00:02:04.980 --> 00:02:10.740\ john Roberts: Well, basically last year, it got flooded with Somerset Council people. 26\ 00:02:11.660 --> 00:02:14.809\ john Roberts: This year, it was only those that were invited. 27\ 00:02:15.990 --> 00:02:16.570\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right. 28\ 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:22.969\ john Roberts: So, it was… it was much more focused on SALP and issues that we need to talk about. 29\ 00:02:23.310 --> 00:02:24.090\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright. 30\ 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:27.239\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good afternoon, everybody. Stuart. 31\ 00:02:27.460 --> 00:02:29.559\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Retired clerk. Chris. 32\ 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:30.470\ chris edwards: Hello. 33\ 00:02:31.740 --> 00:02:34.350\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: You have a name, Richard, but who knows what it could be. 34\ 00:02:35.190 --> 00:02:36.760\ Retired Clerk: Richard. 35\ 00:02:36.760 --> 00:02:38.289\ john Roberts: Well, Richard might be a clue. 36\ 00:02:38.290 --> 00:02:39.290\ Retired Clerk: Hang on. 37\ 00:02:39.620 --> 00:02:42.600\ Retired Clerk: Who said that? There's somebody in camouflage, can't see him. 38\ 00:02:42.600 --> 00:02:44.560\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, exactly. 39\ 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:45.240\ chris edwards: Yep. 40\ 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:48.620\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: He merges in well with the woodland behind him. 41\ 00:02:53.750 --> 00:03:02.829\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I have got extra people have signed up for today, so it's possible we'll get some questions, but I do know that we have an update from Chris. 42\ 00:03:03.450 --> 00:03:05.329\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: At some point. 43\ 00:03:05.330 --> 00:03:11.520\ chris edwards: Yeah, okay, you remember last week, I was asking you about, public rights of way. 44\ 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.310\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I had a project on to list. 45\ 00:03:14.310 --> 00:03:15.410\ chris edwards: gates, 46\ 00:03:15.410 --> 00:03:16.949\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: All the styles and everything else. 47\ 00:03:16.950 --> 00:03:18.219\ chris edwards: Styles, yes. 48\ 00:03:18.430 --> 00:03:21.020\ chris edwards: So, just to show you what I've been up to. 49\ 00:03:21.020 --> 00:03:22.789\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Look, they're all there! 50\ 00:03:22.790 --> 00:03:37.260\ chris edwards: First of all, on the left-hand side, I just had one item for styles, gates, and signposts. Then I realized that I wouldn't be able to distinguish between what was a gate, what was a style, and so on. 51\ 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:43.810\ chris edwards: So, what I've done, as you can see, I've made 3… layers. 52\ 00:03:44.530 --> 00:03:46.940\ chris edwards: Oh, why hasn't that come up? 53\ 00:03:47.130 --> 00:03:57.560\ chris edwards: There we are. So, most of these are styles. Some are in a very poor state. So, for instance, we're gonna get hold of the 54\ 00:03:58.140 --> 00:04:07.230\ chris edwards: Somerset Council, officer out to do a recce with me, and I think one of these… 55\ 00:04:07.660 --> 00:04:13.100\ chris edwards: one of these… That one there, I think. 56\ 00:04:13.330 --> 00:04:15.710\ chris edwards: if I… if I remember correctly. 57\ 00:04:20.110 --> 00:04:20.860\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nobody's the best. 58\ 00:04:21.010 --> 00:04:34.289\ chris edwards: one of the steps here, so it's very difficult for OAPs to go through this style. Yeah. So we… we need a kissing gate here, and that's what I want to try and get hold of this chap for. 59\ 00:04:34.290 --> 00:04:41.060\ chris edwards: for him to agree to change it from a style to a kissing gait. Anyway, that's just one example. 60\ 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:51.559\ chris edwards: we… I spoke… I asked about labeling, and I think Graham or Stuart said I could… I could put 61\ 00:04:51.850 --> 00:04:55.989\ chris edwards: the coordinates here, instead of just a number. 62\ 00:04:56.100 --> 00:04:59.400\ chris edwards: Well, it's such a fiddly thing that, 63\ 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.990\ chris edwards: I've… I've got the… each… each of these, icons. 64\ 00:05:05.280 --> 00:05:17.380\ chris edwards: if you… if you click on it, here's the ID number, I've got the coordinates there, so I'm going to leave it at that, but I'll still leave the number 1, number 2, number 3 here. 65\ 00:05:17.700 --> 00:05:20.880\ chris edwards: Until such time, I'll get rid of it. 66\ 00:05:21.330 --> 00:05:23.979\ chris edwards: There was a question I was going to ask. 67\ 00:05:24.870 --> 00:05:35.689\ chris edwards: These three styles here are no longer there because this green field is now a housing estate. 68\ 00:05:35.830 --> 00:05:39.210\ chris edwards: So, they've been, obviously, removed by the builder. 69\ 00:05:39.400 --> 00:05:50.290\ chris edwards: I don't suppose I could sort of, Do… do a different… icon. 70\ 00:05:50.450 --> 00:05:53.549\ chris edwards: To say that these no longer apply. 71\ 00:05:53.550 --> 00:05:54.610\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Pushkaid. 72\ 00:05:54.890 --> 00:06:00.200\ chris edwards: Yeah, so I, I should, I shall do that. Yeah. Was it somebody else gonna chip in? 73\ 00:06:00.470 --> 00:06:03.520\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: I have a question or two for you, Chris. 74\ 00:06:03.520 --> 00:06:04.060\ chris edwards: Yeah. 75\ 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:13.029\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So… I don't think it was actually necessary to have 3 separate layers. If you put… a field in… 76\ 00:06:13.380 --> 00:06:17.900\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: any of the layers, call it, say, status, or something like that. 77\ 00:06:17.900 --> 00:06:18.429\ Stuart Bacon: Oh, he… 78\ 00:06:18.430 --> 00:06:24.780\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then you could have a different status for the different types of gates, or styles, or whatever they are, and you can… 79\ 00:06:24.780 --> 00:06:25.569\ Stuart Bacon: Click on style. 80\ 00:06:25.570 --> 00:06:35.879\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: you'll be able to style each one according to whatever color or shape you want. And by the same token, if one of your statuses was no longer there. 81\ 00:06:36.060 --> 00:06:39.990\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then that would also work for those 3 that you've asked about removing. 82\ 00:06:40.460 --> 00:06:45.140\ chris edwards: Are you talking about me adding the word status here, somewhere? 83\ 00:06:45.140 --> 00:06:47.630\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, as a field, so, yeah. 84\ 00:06:47.630 --> 00:06:48.560\ Stuart Bacon: Yeah, so… 85\ 00:06:49.170 --> 00:06:52.419\ chris edwards: Yeah, obviously, I know, I know what to do. I won't go through that. 86\ 00:06:52.550 --> 00:06:55.710\ chris edwards: go into admin, include stable. 87\ 00:06:55.710 --> 00:07:01.929\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's worth doing it because of the people who might be watching this video later, and they want to see how it's done. 88\ 00:07:01.930 --> 00:07:04.799\ chris edwards: Okay, so… style. 89\ 00:07:10.110 --> 00:07:11.120\ chris edwards: Go on. 90\ 00:07:11.290 --> 00:07:13.990\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Be a bit more determined in your selection, there you go. 91\ 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:22.839\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, you're saying status. 92\ 00:07:23.840 --> 00:07:26.160\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you can just leave it as a text field. 93\ 00:07:26.390 --> 00:07:27.260\ chris edwards: Okay. 94\ 00:07:27.260 --> 00:07:28.150\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And save that. 95\ 00:07:28.150 --> 00:07:29.460\ Stuart Bacon: Click on Add. 96\ 00:07:29.950 --> 00:07:33.190\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Mmm… well, yes, that's good, that's not a bad idea, good. 97\ 00:07:33.610 --> 00:07:40.319\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you could put in style, you could put in kissing Gate, you could put in no longer in use, or… 98\ 00:07:41.010 --> 00:07:43.979\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And, one of them is through a bridge, wasn't it? 99\ 00:07:44.190 --> 00:07:45.199\ chris edwards: Yeah, that's right. 100\ 00:07:45.200 --> 00:07:47.040\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, so put each of those in. 101\ 00:07:51.440 --> 00:07:52.230\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yup. 102\ 00:07:56.130 --> 00:08:00.139\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you had 3 choices, so what was the other third one for? 103\ 00:08:00.750 --> 00:08:01.549\ chris edwards: Hang on. 104\ 00:08:03.590 --> 00:08:06.380\ chris edwards: Oh, blimey, I've forgotten, forgotten now. 105\ 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:10.579\ Stuart Bacon: Click on the three items. 106\ 00:08:10.580 --> 00:08:14.379\ chris edwards: Yeah, hang on, I'm gonna get rid of everybody's photographs. 107\ 00:08:17.610 --> 00:08:19.770\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, we're in the way again. 108\ 00:08:20.030 --> 00:08:20.590\ chris edwards: Yep. 109\ 00:08:20.590 --> 00:08:21.280\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep. 110\ 00:08:23.430 --> 00:08:27.880\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Changes. Oh, signpost replacement, okay. That was your fourth… your fifth one. 111\ 00:08:27.880 --> 00:08:28.860\ chris edwards: Yeah. 112\ 00:08:28.860 --> 00:08:33.860\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if you go back to the first one, whichever the changes are, the one you're doing, yeah, that one. 113\ 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:35.949\ Stuart Bacon: Click on the pencil. 114\ 00:08:39.860 --> 00:08:41.530\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And go into Status. 115\ 00:08:43.590 --> 00:08:46.259\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep, and now into 3 items. 116\ 00:08:47.870 --> 00:08:49.259\ chris edwards: Oh, wait a minute… 117\ 00:08:49.260 --> 00:08:53.830\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, yes, just click on the three, the three items, you should be able to… the pencil. 118\ 00:08:53.940 --> 00:08:56.970\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: There you go. And add, 119\ 00:08:57.370 --> 00:09:00.639\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Same post repair, wasn't it? Or same post, something like that. 120\ 00:09:03.910 --> 00:09:08.570\ chris edwards: Yeah, the finger element is okay, but it's the… 121\ 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:14.430\ chris edwards: shaft, or whatever you call it, the post itself, which is. 122\ 00:09:14.430 --> 00:09:17.730\ Stuart Bacon: I want style as well on that, Chris, for you, can I help? 123\ 00:09:17.730 --> 00:09:18.060\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. 124\ 00:09:18.060 --> 00:09:20.890\ chris edwards: Sorry, say that again, please, Stuart? 125\ 00:09:21.550 --> 00:09:24.059\ Stuart Bacon: You want style as an option. 126\ 00:09:26.920 --> 00:09:28.360\ Stuart Bacon: STI, Ali. 127\ 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:30.050\ Stuart Bacon: Isn't it? 128\ 00:09:36.510 --> 00:09:37.190\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good. 129\ 00:09:46.930 --> 00:09:48.210\ chris edwards: Back to maps. 130\ 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:49.220\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yup. 131\ 00:09:59.270 --> 00:10:00.909\ chris edwards: So, just click on there. 132\ 00:10:01.150 --> 00:10:01.800\ Stuart Bacon: Nope. 133\ 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:04.479\ chris edwards: Let's get real good. 134\ 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.270\ chris edwards: So… Oh, I thought… 135\ 00:10:09.270 --> 00:10:12.199\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: You need to be in edit mode, and click on your pencil. 136\ 00:10:12.790 --> 00:10:17.809\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, go down and change the style field, that's it. Status field, sorry, status field. 137\ 00:10:19.340 --> 00:10:20.309\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And isn't that. 138\ 00:10:20.310 --> 00:10:22.600\ chris edwards: Oh, no, no, no, sorry, I'm sorry, what am I doing? 139\ 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:27.250\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's no longer in… is that the one that's no longer in… No longer on site, that's right, that's right, that's right. 140\ 00:10:28.880 --> 00:10:30.639\ chris edwards: And could I, could I… 141\ 00:10:31.020 --> 00:10:36.420\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or if you now go into… go into the layer and style it, So… 142\ 00:10:36.420 --> 00:10:37.070\ chris edwards: Okay, okay. 143\ 00:10:37.070 --> 00:10:38.639\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Close your left column, yep. 144\ 00:10:39.290 --> 00:10:40.780\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Style the lair. 145\ 00:10:43.060 --> 00:10:47.200\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Brilliant. And then, oops, hang on a second, change your left-hand column. 146\ 00:10:47.560 --> 00:10:48.280\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: to… 147\ 00:10:48.280 --> 00:10:49.050\ chris edwards: I go back. 148\ 00:10:49.050 --> 00:10:51.829\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, we'll just go left-hand column, where it says Style Options. 149\ 00:10:51.830 --> 00:10:52.700\ Stuart Bacon: go down. 150\ 00:10:53.020 --> 00:10:53.570\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. 151\ 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:55.369\ chris edwards: Let's get rid of this, first of all. 152\ 00:10:55.370 --> 00:10:56.170\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, absolutely. 153\ 00:10:56.170 --> 00:10:56.720\ Stuart Bacon: What? 154\ 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.130\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. Go into style options, change it to class-based. 155\ 00:11:02.780 --> 00:11:06.500\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And change the class column to Status. 156\ 00:11:07.930 --> 00:11:09.020\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Next one up. 157\ 00:11:09.540 --> 00:11:10.330\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep. 158\ 00:11:14.170 --> 00:11:15.100\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Perfect. 159\ 00:11:15.330 --> 00:11:17.049\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good. Save that. 160\ 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:20.900\ chris edwards: I have used this before, but… 161\ 00:11:20.900 --> 00:11:26.360\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: You need to go back… I'm sorry, you need to go back into style, I beg your pardon, Chris. 162\ 00:11:26.810 --> 00:11:29.170\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: We've actually got to select the style you want. 163\ 00:11:30.040 --> 00:11:33.790\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, very confusing to have two words spelt the wrong way, but… 164\ 00:11:33.930 --> 00:11:36.400\ chris edwards: If you go scroll down. 165\ 00:11:36.740 --> 00:11:44.259\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: To get the other two columns, yep. So now, under Style, yep, go into Change the Shapes to Icon. 166\ 00:11:46.020 --> 00:11:48.620\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep, and choose whichever icon you want. 167\ 00:11:50.280 --> 00:11:55.039\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: If it's no longer in use, you might want, sort of, a no-entry sign or something, I don't know. 168\ 00:11:55.300 --> 00:11:56.860\ chris edwards: That's a good one. 169\ 00:12:00.690 --> 00:12:01.310\ Stuart Bacon: Nope. 170\ 00:12:02.040 --> 00:12:04.470\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's not gonna work. 171\ 00:12:04.470 --> 00:12:04.820\ chris edwards: out of that. 172\ 00:12:04.820 --> 00:12:06.010\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Stop, maybe? 173\ 00:12:07.180 --> 00:12:08.170\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: yield? 174\ 00:12:09.860 --> 00:12:15.110\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: There was one that… yeah, there you go, whoops. There's a whole bunch, if you go back to where you were. 175\ 00:12:16.910 --> 00:12:21.460\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, they're just… Sorry, they're just regular traffic signs, nothing. 176\ 00:12:22.230 --> 00:12:23.949\ chris edwards: I mean, there are hundreds of these. 177\ 00:12:23.950 --> 00:12:27.839\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: This bottom left one is a stock. Stock when flashing, that's fun. 178\ 00:12:31.410 --> 00:12:37.090\ chris edwards: Let me show you, hmm. 179\ 00:12:37.090 --> 00:12:42.790\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: There are lots of them, aren't there? You could put, gates, and see what sort of you get for gates. 180\ 00:12:44.190 --> 00:12:45.790\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or Gate Singular, maybe. 181\ 00:12:46.610 --> 00:12:47.670\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: There you go. 182\ 00:12:48.790 --> 00:12:49.720\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Shoot, yeah. 183\ 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:52.510\ chris edwards: I'm gonna use that. I mean, I'll muck around later on. 184\ 00:12:53.460 --> 00:12:58.380\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let me get rid of everybody. And then in due course, you want to bring the other two layers 185\ 00:12:58.530 --> 00:13:03.409\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Into that, the same one, so you've only got one layer now, rather than three. 186\ 00:13:03.410 --> 00:13:07.150\ chris edwards: Yeah, yeah, got it. Okay, yeah, I'll do that at my leisure. 187\ 00:13:07.150 --> 00:13:11.290\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: I should take a moment… I'm just going to take a moment to say hello to David. Welcome. 188\ 00:13:13.650 --> 00:13:15.020\ David Morgan-Jones: Offering figs? 189\ 00:13:15.490 --> 00:13:16.300\ chris edwards: Hello? 190\ 00:13:16.930 --> 00:13:17.510\ Stuart Bacon: Afternoon. 191\ 00:13:17.510 --> 00:13:21.930\ chris edwards: Right. I think we've done that, so thanks, folks, for your input. 192\ 00:13:22.180 --> 00:13:24.419\ chris edwards: I shall now stop sharing. 193\ 00:13:24.680 --> 00:13:31.990\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: I have a bit of an update news for you. So, last week, we had a guy on called Peter Lewis, I think? 194\ 00:13:32.420 --> 00:13:33.250\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yup. 195\ 00:13:33.590 --> 00:13:37.320\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: From some weird place down in some weird part of the country. 196\ 00:13:37.500 --> 00:13:47.260\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And he was having errors with the address space, which was reflecting, an address on his garage that was all wrong. 197\ 00:13:47.680 --> 00:13:52.169\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, he wrote off to Somerset Council 198\ 00:13:52.460 --> 00:14:03.260\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And said, it's all wrong, how do I get a change made? And they replied within a day or so, and said, tell us what change you want, and he showed it to them on Parish Online, and they changed it, so it's all. 199\ 00:14:03.260 --> 00:14:03.990\ chris edwards: Wow. 200\ 00:14:04.350 --> 00:14:09.510\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, Somerset Council is clearly Rejuvenated. 201\ 00:14:10.590 --> 00:14:13.719\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's working… it believes in service for a change. 202\ 00:14:14.950 --> 00:14:21.920\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Anyway… So, we've had one question from Chris, David. So, did you come with anything in mind? 203\ 00:14:23.280 --> 00:14:25.490\ David Morgan-Jones: No, but I thought I'd give some feedback. 204\ 00:14:25.940 --> 00:14:26.350\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay. 205\ 00:14:26.350 --> 00:14:30.719\ David Morgan-Jones: on the question that I posed, last week about EPCs. 206\ 00:14:31.130 --> 00:14:36.869\ David Morgan-Jones: If you remember, the issue that I wanted to try and resolve was to… 207\ 00:14:38.060 --> 00:14:41.379\ David Morgan-Jones: Show the number of houses. 208\ 00:14:41.380 --> 00:14:42.130\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: heaven. 209\ 00:14:42.130 --> 00:14:47.359\ David Morgan-Jones: That did not have them, or were in the bracket to be changed. 210\ 00:14:47.710 --> 00:14:55.839\ David Morgan-Jones: So there are a number of issues… there are a number of issues that fell out of that. One, houses with no EPC are not actually indicated on the map. 211\ 00:14:56.070 --> 00:15:04.540\ David Morgan-Jones: And that actually is actually really very useful, because it's… you then know where the property is that you need to go and, go and visit. 212\ 00:15:04.540 --> 00:15:05.300\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep. 213\ 00:15:05.300 --> 00:15:14.549\ David Morgan-Jones: And the other bit issue was that, we spent quite a lot of very clever time trying to, bring those through to the public map. 214\ 00:15:14.760 --> 00:15:22.320\ David Morgan-Jones: Yeah. And I wrote a thing to the help desk, who basically said, it's on the list. 215\ 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:29.259\ David Morgan-Jones: How astonishing! So it's on the list. Anyway, 216\ 00:15:29.400 --> 00:15:38.509\ David Morgan-Jones: I thought I'd give you a little bit of, sort of an update in terms of the workarounds that both, Graham and, Tristram, suggested. 217\ 00:15:38.750 --> 00:15:48.290\ David Morgan-Jones: So, I downloaded the, the address base from, Parish Online, as you showed me how to. 218\ 00:15:48.940 --> 00:15:56.530\ David Morgan-Jones: And I also got the component from Hart District Council from the EPC web, from the government website. 219\ 00:15:56.530 --> 00:15:56.960\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nope. 220\ 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:01.629\ David Morgan-Jones: And then I linked the two together, the two spreadsheets together. 221\ 00:16:01.860 --> 00:16:09.740\ David Morgan-Jones: And now I have a consolidated list of all the properties with their EPCs. 222\ 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:14.700\ David Morgan-Jones: And so I've now got, 223\ 00:16:15.270 --> 00:16:18.719\ David Morgan-Jones: totals A through to F, and no data. 224\ 00:16:20.050 --> 00:16:24.239\ David Morgan-Jones: And out of a total of 516 properties. 225\ 00:16:24.450 --> 00:16:31.480\ David Morgan-Jones: I have 208 that either have no data, or in the bands E to F. 226\ 00:16:32.520 --> 00:16:36.790\ David Morgan-Jones: I.e. 40% of our parish. 227\ 00:16:38.650 --> 00:16:39.879\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And no stickers. 228\ 00:16:40.260 --> 00:16:47.090\ David Morgan-Jones: Yeah, so, I worked out, if it was £50 per EPC, 229\ 00:16:47.470 --> 00:16:57.199\ David Morgan-Jones: To, get that done. That just came in under over 10,000 pounds, just to get the EPCs done. 230\ 00:16:57.350 --> 00:17:09.930\ David Morgan-Jones: So, we're gonna have to think of a slightly different way of getting the data we want, because it's the… it's basically what we want, is to identify the data on the houses. 231\ 00:17:10.040 --> 00:17:13.180\ David Morgan-Jones: That will allow us to engage in the retrofit process. 232\ 00:17:13.970 --> 00:17:18.589\ David Morgan-Jones: And the EPCs are great, but they're… they're far too detailed. 233\ 00:17:19.290 --> 00:17:30.979\ David Morgan-Jones: just to get that bit of information. So we need to come up with a slightly different way of doing it. But, so that's a… I just thought I'd just share the, sort of, a real life trying to, 234\ 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:41.330\ David Morgan-Jones: get working data to actually make major changes. And it's a bit of a shame that we can't get the data shown on the, 235\ 00:17:42.230 --> 00:17:53.919\ David Morgan-Jones: on the public mapping, because I think one of the biggest things that we need to do is just to show, to everybody what the shape of the housing stock is like. 236\ 00:17:54.370 --> 00:17:55.319\ David Morgan-Jones: In terms of… 237\ 00:17:55.320 --> 00:18:02.369\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do you remember, Graeme, that we couldn't get the EPC, the actual EPC data. 238\ 00:18:02.500 --> 00:18:04.320\ David Morgan-Jones: Through to the public mapping. 239\ 00:18:04.630 --> 00:18:05.300\ David Morgan-Jones: Well… Component. 240\ 00:18:05.300 --> 00:18:10.600\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: I do remember that in terms of the parish online data. 241\ 00:18:11.090 --> 00:18:17.149\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: But you've now got the information from your heart division, so they've got their data. 242\ 00:18:17.790 --> 00:18:18.670\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So… 243\ 00:18:19.350 --> 00:18:33.480\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: What I have a suggestion is that you send your file, your spreadsheet, to the help desk, and ask them to upload it for you into a parish layer, where you've got full control of it, and then you can do everything with it, including sending it through to a public map. 244\ 00:18:34.830 --> 00:18:45.739\ David Morgan-Jones: Oh, really? I hadn't realised you could do that. Alright, okay. Well, you've got full control over anything that's in the parish lair, and you have no control over anything that isn't. So… 245\ 00:18:45.750 --> 00:18:58.000\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: it makes sense to just… and there is a facility for duplicating information, but because your information, half of it isn't in Paris Online at the moment, you just need to ask them to import it for you into a parish layer. 246\ 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:02.570\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which they will usually gladly do, because it only takes them a second or two. 247\ 00:19:03.350 --> 00:19:06.490\ David Morgan-Jones: Right, okay, so, I'll get on… 248\ 00:19:06.490 --> 00:19:14.500\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: You also have the beauty there, that you could update it whenever you feel like it, as information trickles down from the District Council, or from HART Division, isn't it? 249\ 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:21.300\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because one of the issues with these things is that they're constantly getting out of date. 250\ 00:19:22.190 --> 00:19:25.350\ David Morgan-Jones: Yes. It's more… 251\ 00:19:25.350 --> 00:19:33.739\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: online in particular is often nearly a year out of date, because they only update once a year, although I did… I think they were talking about doing it more frequently, but… 252\ 00:19:34.100 --> 00:19:49.670\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: They spend a lot of time working on the data to get those five layers that you look at in APCs, so they don't do it very often, they only do it once or twice a year, so your information is almost always out of date. 253\ 00:19:49.670 --> 00:19:50.559\ David Morgan-Jones: Yeah, yeah, no, no. 254\ 00:19:50.560 --> 00:19:56.529\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you get it as soon as the government has it available and download it, then you can update your little bit straight away. 255\ 00:19:57.660 --> 00:20:04.720\ David Morgan-Jones: No, absolutely. No, I… right, now that's giving me all sorts of different, routes to explore. 256\ 00:20:05.010 --> 00:20:09.390\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. Because I think the key thing, I don't know about what the rest of the guys think, but… 257\ 00:20:09.390 --> 00:20:16.710\ David Morgan-Jones: One of the key things is about getting information out to everybody. So… and everybody's quite curious about how they compare to everybody else. 258\ 00:20:16.710 --> 00:20:17.800\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Of course. 259\ 00:20:17.800 --> 00:20:24.260\ David Morgan-Jones: And, so, if we can get this out, And being talked about. 260\ 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:32.600\ David Morgan-Jones: Then at least… The public becomes much more susceptible to suggesting that they need to try and, 261\ 00:20:32.760 --> 00:20:39.760\ David Morgan-Jones: improve the scores on the doors, or to actually get an EPC, so they know where they stand. 262\ 00:20:41.450 --> 00:20:44.340\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, so that's the answer from Stuart, thank you, yeah. 263\ 00:20:44.340 --> 00:20:47.149\ David Morgan-Jones: Sorry, Stuart, let me grab that. I'll just catch that. 264\ 00:20:47.700 --> 00:20:53.980\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, you work around that if you get them to import your data for you into a parish layer. 265\ 00:20:54.700 --> 00:20:56.220\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which they will do. 266\ 00:20:58.130 --> 00:20:59.100\ David Morgan-Jones: Cool, okay. 267\ 00:20:59.100 --> 00:21:03.859\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Don't mention that I told you, otherwise I won't. 268\ 00:21:05.370 --> 00:21:08.099\ David Morgan-Jones: Alright, that's… that's me done. Thank you very much, Graham. 269\ 00:21:08.650 --> 00:21:17.689\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, you're very welcome. I do have some other news, which is probably of most interest to Andrew, who isn't here today, but, 270\ 00:21:17.990 --> 00:21:33.379\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: I do quite a lot of work with XMAP, and XMAP has the big advantage that you can upload your own files of data to it. So I had a wonderful, result of a survey that, we did in East Anglia back in the summer. 271\ 00:21:33.530 --> 00:21:35.280\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And, 272\ 00:21:35.430 --> 00:21:40.569\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: there's some funny stories to tell about that using AI, which I'll get to in a second, but… 273\ 00:21:40.820 --> 00:21:42.840\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Basically. 274\ 00:21:42.950 --> 00:21:51.649\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: I thought, rather than upload this fairly large file of data straight into XMAP, I'll just do a test map on 4 rows of data first. 275\ 00:21:51.930 --> 00:21:53.339\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: To make sure it works. 276\ 00:21:53.630 --> 00:21:57.529\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it didn't, it came back with a syntax error. 277\ 00:21:57.630 --> 00:22:02.379\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which is a really useless thing to say, because it doesn't tell you what the error is. 278\ 00:22:02.550 --> 00:22:06.229\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I sent it off to the help desk and said, can you explain this? 279\ 00:22:06.520 --> 00:22:08.949\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they came back and said… 280\ 00:22:09.570 --> 00:22:16.129\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: We're not really sure, I think I mentioned last week that we can't quite put our finger on what the problem is. 281\ 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:31.460\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's how it was last Friday, and then they came back and said, one of the issues is the length of the name that you've chosen for the file. Could you please release it to, or reduce it to 6 letters or less? 282\ 00:22:31.650 --> 00:22:42.559\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: They said, once you've uploaded it, you can change the name of that layer to anything you like, but the file for uploading has got to be 6 letters, which is brand new to me. So I did that, and it failed again. 283\ 00:22:42.810 --> 00:22:48.629\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then they came back and said, although the numbers you've got in your spreadsheet 284\ 00:22:48.790 --> 00:22:59.410\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: are ostensibly correct, they're in the wrong format, so you need to change them to something called BNG for British National Grid 27700. 285\ 00:22:59.800 --> 00:23:09.280\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if you send me the data, I'll do it. And I thought, well, I'm going to be doing a lot of this, so I better get the way to do it sorted out first. So I went to Claude. 286\ 00:23:09.540 --> 00:23:12.770\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which is a lesser-known AI bot. 287\ 00:23:13.060 --> 00:23:27.969\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And asked Claude, if I give you, a whole bunch of numbers, could you convert them to BGN2700 or 27700? And he said, oh, absolutely. I don't know if you use Claude, but he's much more polite and enthusiastic than Chad GPT is. 288\ 00:23:28.220 --> 00:23:32.680\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, I sent it to Claude, he came back and said, I've renamed 289\ 00:23:32.860 --> 00:23:48.509\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: two new columns in your spreadsheet, and one is called BNG Latitude, and the other is called BNG Longitude, which I thought was very promising, because he was now saying this is British National Grid format. So I sent off my test file again, and it came out with exactly the same error. 290\ 00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:56.520\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I sent again to the help desk, can you explain this? And they came back and said, no, but we're working on it. 291\ 00:23:56.890 --> 00:23:58.750\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, 292\ 00:23:58.870 --> 00:24:14.740\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then I thought to Claude, I said, the information that I downloaded from the survey that we took of 80 or 90 parishes in East Anglia is not very conveniently laid out for Parish Online, because I want it to be in 293\ 00:24:14.950 --> 00:24:23.469\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: a completely different format. So I started doing it by hand, and I thought, this is ridiculous, the whole point of Claude is that he'll do this for you. 294\ 00:24:23.780 --> 00:24:31.340\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I sent it to Claude and, said, could you please convert this? I want columns P, Q, R, and S. 295\ 00:24:31.450 --> 00:24:45.430\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: All converted to such and such a format. And he said, I would be delighted to do that for you, so upload your file, and away we go. And the difference between Claude and ChatGPT is that Claude actually shows you what it's doing. 296\ 00:24:45.600 --> 00:24:52.380\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: You get the code flashing past your eyes, which is no use to anybody who doesn't set code, but it's… gives you something to look at. 297\ 00:24:52.750 --> 00:25:01.319\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then he said, there's a big download button, click on the download button, and it'll work fine. So I clicked on the download button and said nothing happened. 298\ 00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:16.349\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So Claude came back and said, you're absolutely right. I need to correct an error, which I'll just do now. I apologize for my mistake. So he changes it, and then says, now try. So I try, same problem. And this reiterates itself for about 20 minutes. 299\ 00:25:16.850 --> 00:25:29.610\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: But finally, we do get to exactly where I wanted to be, so I said, thank you very much, Claude. And then I thought, well, it took Claude 20 minutes to sort it out. I just wonder, out of interest, how long chat GPT will take. 300\ 00:25:29.750 --> 00:25:37.190\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And ChatGPT came back, exactly the same question, exactly the same data file, and it came back in 3 seconds and said, we're done, download it. 301\ 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:43.309\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I downloaded it, and it was the original file that I'd sent without any changes whatsoever. 302\ 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:48.850\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I complained to ChatGPT and said, no changes, and it came back and said. 303\ 00:25:49.030 --> 00:25:52.070\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Our mistake, I'll change it for you. 304\ 00:25:52.520 --> 00:26:07.439\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, he came back and said, it's all done now, so I downloaded it, and lo and behold, it was exactly what I'd asked for, except that ChatPT had completely mangled two columns of data that weren't involved in this transfer, so… 305\ 00:26:07.630 --> 00:26:08.909\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: the, 306\ 00:26:09.590 --> 00:26:21.960\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: email addresses of people have been changed from their email address to a number, so something like graham at gmail.com had become 11, which I thought was very helpful, and 307\ 00:26:22.170 --> 00:26:29.190\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: There was something else, oh yes, the name of the town that was doing… who supplied the data just disappeared. It was a blank column. 308\ 00:26:29.320 --> 00:26:40.970\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I thought that you now have your choices, gentlemen. You can have Claude do it for you, and it may take a while, but you'll get there, or you can have ChatGPT do it, and they'll do what you ask, but they'll mangle everything else in the meantime. 309\ 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.310\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, I then went back to Claude and said, 310\ 00:26:45.800 --> 00:27:01.240\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: I asked you to do, you know, P, Q, R, and S, but now I actually don't want S to be done, so could you do P, Q, and R? And Claude said, I'd be delighted to, and there it was, in a split second. So, once he got the hang of what he had to do, he learned from it, which I thought was fun. 311\ 00:27:02.430 --> 00:27:06.989\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I'm sure it was very boring, but no one else has raised any topic to talk about, so bad luck. 312\ 00:27:09.220 --> 00:27:11.750\ Stuart Bacon: The pleasures of, AI. 313\ 00:27:11.750 --> 00:27:20.710\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, well, it's sort of… it's still in its, very early days, isn't it? But they're getting there. I mean, it did save me hours of work, really. 314\ 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:29.290\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I thought it was quite entertaining, I was quite amused doing this, because Claude is so apologetic, and so thoughtful and kind. 315\ 00:27:30.010 --> 00:27:32.360\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which is just nice to meet. 316\ 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.579\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: As customer service. 317\ 00:27:35.180 --> 00:27:37.370\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: They obviously spent a lot of time teaching it. 318\ 00:27:37.630 --> 00:27:39.239\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: From the best examples. 319\ 00:27:40.430 --> 00:27:44.509\ Stuart Bacon: And the timing is terrible, because now here's Andrew to… 320\ 00:27:44.520 --> 00:27:47.730\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, so all those stories, he's missed. 321\ 00:27:47.730 --> 00:27:49.450\ Andrew Clegg: We're laughing? 322\ 00:27:52.320 --> 00:28:00.779\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: It is… it is quite, amusing, Andrew, that we've just finished saying, well, this is really of interest to Andrew, but since it's here, I'll tell you lot. 323\ 00:28:00.780 --> 00:28:03.430\ Andrew Clegg: I heard you, I was just driving up from my… 324\ 00:28:03.600 --> 00:28:07.909\ Andrew Clegg: Hardtalk, and I suddenly heard you from the Isle of Wight shouting. 325\ 00:28:09.940 --> 00:28:16.299\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, anyway, so the onus is on you, Andrew, to provide us all with something of fascination and interest. 326\ 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:20.340\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: to do with Parish Online, hopefully, or Xmap, if not. 327\ 00:28:21.260 --> 00:28:25.840\ Andrew Clegg: No, the… the truth is, I can't remember whether I mentioned this last week. 328\ 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:33.790\ Andrew Clegg: You know this business is… this nature recovery business that all counties are, sort of working. 329\ 00:28:33.790 --> 00:28:35.170\ Retired Clerk: to do, yeah. 330\ 00:28:35.170 --> 00:28:38.849\ Andrew Clegg: Did I mention it last week, Graham, or was I interrupted by you? 331\ 00:28:38.850 --> 00:28:45.569\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm sure you were interrupted because I don't remember you mentioning it. 332\ 00:28:45.570 --> 00:28:56.879\ Andrew Clegg: Well, what everybody's doing, of course, is producing maps of the county, and they're encouraging us to mark on the maps all the sort of. 333\ 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:07.520\ Andrew Clegg: Environmental and nature, habitats and important areas that we've got in our parishes. 334\ 00:29:08.170 --> 00:29:16.229\ Andrew Clegg: And the map that they've given us in Somerset is just absolutely hopeless, and you can't… and it's only one way anyway. It's… they're showing us 335\ 00:29:16.350 --> 00:29:22.930\ Andrew Clegg: what they've done, and there's no way in which people from the parishes can contribute to this thing. 336\ 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:24.280\ Andrew Clegg: I… 337\ 00:29:24.280 --> 00:29:28.770\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Have you alerted Mr. Roberts to this? Because this sounds like he's right up his street. 338\ 00:29:29.490 --> 00:29:31.230\ Andrew Clegg: Who, who's… 339\ 00:29:31.230 --> 00:29:35.630\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: But you can't see him, because he's dressed in camouflage, and he's. 340\ 00:29:35.630 --> 00:29:38.149\ Andrew Clegg: Oh, I see you all hiding under the stairs, yeah. 341\ 00:29:40.750 --> 00:29:49.469\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: But the sort of liaison that he's built up with Adam seems to be really effective. So maybe you can work with him on it? 342\ 00:29:49.730 --> 00:30:09.460\ Andrew Clegg: Yeah, but what we need is for people to be using the same platform, or at least compatible platforms, and as yet, it seems to me, nowhere near the development of mapping schemes, mapping software like this, which allows us to… 343\ 00:30:09.460 --> 00:30:13.780\ Andrew Clegg: Transfer a layer from one… one bit of software to another. 344\ 00:30:13.930 --> 00:30:14.440\ Andrew Clegg: You know what? 345\ 00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:29.910\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's what I was thinking, that John might want to get involved, because I have seen Parish Online do a transfer upwards, so rather than just sucking data from the higher authority, you can actually… they did send some at one point, and it worked. 346\ 00:30:29.910 --> 00:30:38.560\ Andrew Clegg: Yeah. I wonder whether Adam… John, do you feel that Adam would be able to sort of say, we'll give it a try to receive some of your data? 347\ 00:30:38.750 --> 00:30:43.499\ john Roberts: Yeah, I think so, one of the things that came out of the 348\ 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:48.320\ john Roberts: talk that Chris Mews gave last week at the conference was… the… 349\ 00:30:48.850 --> 00:30:52.169\ john Roberts: solid relationship he's now got with Adam Reimer. 350\ 00:30:52.470 --> 00:30:53.230\ john Roberts: Oh, right! 351\ 00:30:53.230 --> 00:30:53.880\ Andrew Clegg: Oh, that's good. 352\ 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:54.330\ john Roberts: should… 353\ 00:30:54.330 --> 00:30:55.100\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well done, you! 354\ 00:30:55.100 --> 00:30:55.640\ john Roberts: Yay. 355\ 00:30:55.760 --> 00:30:57.619\ john Roberts: To the extent that… 356\ 00:30:57.760 --> 00:31:09.139\ john Roberts: The amount of data that's coming out of Somerset is quite phenomenal at the moment, albeit a lot of it isn't very useful, but they… they are uploading what they've got. 357\ 00:31:09.260 --> 00:31:10.290\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Huh. 358\ 00:31:11.850 --> 00:31:17.489\ john Roberts: So, yeah, I mean, if Andrew can explain, because I wasn't here last week, so I haven't got a clue what you're talking about, Andrew. 359\ 00:31:17.780 --> 00:31:37.610\ Andrew Clegg: Well, all… we've all been sent, around, all the parishes have been sent something to invite us to comment on their nature recovery strategy, which they just published about 3 weeks ago. So the… you're… are you still… are you the parish clerk, or are you. 360\ 00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:39.280\ john Roberts: Oh, no. 361\ 00:31:39.280 --> 00:31:42.870\ Andrew Clegg: Have you gone the way of all parish clerks? 362\ 00:31:42.870 --> 00:31:44.439\ john Roberts: No, I'm still chairman. 363\ 00:31:47.590 --> 00:31:48.389\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, it's true. 364\ 00:31:48.390 --> 00:31:53.509\ Andrew Clegg: What does that mean? Golly, there is a lot of data coming out of Somerset now, a lot of it for Sedgemore, by the way. 365\ 00:31:53.510 --> 00:31:54.710\ Retired Clerk: They're just encouraging. 366\ 00:31:55.190 --> 00:32:01.959\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. But that is different. They have… you're quite right, they've got improved, you know, large number of layers that they didn't have before. 367\ 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:16.290\ Andrew Clegg: But they have produced a really surprisingly good nature recovery strategy paper, very readable, easy to follow, and we've been asked to comment. And the big comment for me is, what do we do with it? 368\ 00:32:16.300 --> 00:32:24.400\ Andrew Clegg: You know, if we've got a nice pond, where do we… what do we do… what do we do with it? 369\ 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:30.639\ john Roberts: Alright, let me look at… let me find what you're talking about first, because I haven't had it, but the clerk may have done. 370\ 00:32:31.910 --> 00:32:32.680\ john Roberts: Or… 371\ 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:33.800\ Andrew Clegg: I don't know. 372\ 00:32:34.610 --> 00:32:39.950\ Andrew Clegg: Let me see if I can find… I've just updated… I've upgraded my computer to. 373\ 00:32:40.300 --> 00:32:43.860\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Mac OS 26. Yeah. 374\ 00:32:43.860 --> 00:32:46.640\ Andrew Clegg: And I'm now completely lost. 375\ 00:32:49.070 --> 00:32:50.989\ Andrew Clegg: I'm just trying to find the… 376\ 00:32:53.530 --> 00:32:58.419\ Andrew Clegg: Let's see if I can quickly find the, As usual. 377\ 00:32:58.740 --> 00:32:59.840\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Twenty-six! 378\ 00:32:59.840 --> 00:33:00.940\ Andrew Clegg: Learns anything. 379\ 00:33:02.050 --> 00:33:05.340\ Andrew Clegg: OS26. You don't know about OS26? 380\ 00:33:05.340 --> 00:33:07.909\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I'm on a Sequoia 15.6… 381\ 00:33:07.910 --> 00:33:13.240\ Andrew Clegg: Oh, you're 11 behind. It's now… 382\ 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:14.330\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: That might explain, though. 383\ 00:33:14.330 --> 00:33:16.060\ Andrew Clegg: OS26. 384\ 00:33:16.060 --> 00:33:19.330\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: When did that come out? 385\ 00:33:19.330 --> 00:33:23.029\ Andrew Clegg: 26 is because it's for next year, you know, it's the. 386\ 00:33:23.030 --> 00:33:23.520\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: anecdote. 387\ 00:33:23.520 --> 00:33:32.210\ Andrew Clegg: 26 year, and Mac and iOS and your Mac Watch and everything has been upgraded. 388\ 00:33:32.810 --> 00:33:37.610\ Andrew Clegg: to, OS26. They're all on the same thing now. 389\ 00:33:38.130 --> 00:33:40.329\ john Roberts: Getting back to more mundane matters. 390\ 00:33:40.330 --> 00:33:40.940\ Retired Clerk: We're talking about… 391\ 00:33:40.940 --> 00:33:43.739\ john Roberts: Somerset's local nature recovery strategy. 392\ 00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:45.229\ Andrew Clegg: Yes, I think so. 393\ 00:33:45.530 --> 00:33:47.000\ john Roberts: Right, I've got it on screen now. 394\ 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:51.999\ Andrew Clegg: Have you got it? Yes, because I've got it somewhere, but I'm not sure where. 395\ 00:33:53.490 --> 00:33:58.450\ Andrew Clegg: It's all very pretty, and nicely laid out, and easily readable, but… 396\ 00:33:58.660 --> 00:34:02.940\ Andrew Clegg: And it's clear… but… but they've… 397\ 00:34:03.290 --> 00:34:15.780\ Andrew Clegg: Telling the parishes what they have to do is just one little paragraph in 56 pages, and they certainly don't provide us with any, any, any, 398\ 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:24.650\ Andrew Clegg: maps that we can use, except one that we're allowed to… with their map, which we can see. It's a one-way thing, it's not a two-way thing. 399\ 00:34:26.790 --> 00:34:28.350\ john Roberts: Alright, leave that one with me. 400\ 00:34:28.670 --> 00:34:29.580\ Andrew Clegg: Okay. 401\ 00:34:31.030 --> 00:34:34.300\ Andrew Clegg: We have to… we have to respond by the end of October. 402\ 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:37.770\ john Roberts: I will. I don't know if they will. 403\ 00:34:39.100 --> 00:34:41.500\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, the map they send out, is that… 404\ 00:34:41.670 --> 00:35:00.850\ Andrew Clegg: No, it's the strategy, and there is a map that goes with the strategy on which they have started mapping important areas. For example, just down from my front door, there's an important area which is a possible habitat for the Shrilcader bee. 405\ 00:35:01.700 --> 00:35:02.640\ Andrew Clegg: You see, now. 406\ 00:35:02.640 --> 00:35:09.030\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Very important. You know about the Sheryl Carter. I do. We're trying to build corridors for it to keep going. 407\ 00:35:09.030 --> 00:35:22.150\ Andrew Clegg: I don't know why… I mean, I think there's only 2 or 3 shrillcarders in existence, and they're all in Somerset, and they need to communicate with each other. And we've been asked to make a… to build a corridor here. 408\ 00:35:23.140 --> 00:35:29.490\ Andrew Clegg: So, doing it, yeah. There's money in it as well, you can get money for building Cheryl Cardo B corridors. 409\ 00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:32.780\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: I wonder if my guys know that. 410\ 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.189\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'll try that on them. 411\ 00:35:35.190 --> 00:35:39.490\ Andrew Clegg: Not much, and you have to spend it on corridor-building stuff. 412\ 00:35:40.610 --> 00:35:44.500\ john Roberts: They'll now spring up all over the country, whether there's a fee there or not. 413\ 00:35:54.930 --> 00:35:58.230\ Andrew Clegg: Anyway, that's all I have to say, Graham, so back to you. 414\ 00:35:58.930 --> 00:36:01.320\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I'm in, I'm asking about shrill Carter Bees. 415\ 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:01.980\ Andrew Clegg: Oh. 416\ 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.669\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Isn't it Shrew Okada, G-E-R? 417\ 00:36:10.670 --> 00:36:17.130\ Andrew Clegg: C-A-Shrill, and then it's Carter, C-A-R-D-E-R, I think. Yeah. Yeah. 418\ 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:28.230\ Andrew Clegg: No, we're building… we're building a corridor for the… for the brown hair streak butterfly, which is a similarly rare creature. 419\ 00:36:30.390 --> 00:36:34.530\ David Morgan-Jones: We're part of a corridor building, corridors for, vipers. 420\ 00:36:35.190 --> 00:36:35.710\ Andrew Clegg: Oh! 421\ 00:36:35.710 --> 00:36:36.550\ David Morgan-Jones: others. 422\ 00:36:36.550 --> 00:36:37.800\ Andrew Clegg: Really? 423\ 00:36:39.890 --> 00:36:41.529\ Andrew Clegg: Where, where are you? 424\ 00:36:41.810 --> 00:36:46.039\ David Morgan-Jones: We're North Hampshire, so we, we've got the, Heather. 425\ 00:36:46.230 --> 00:36:48.910\ David Morgan-Jones: And that moves, 426\ 00:36:48.910 --> 00:36:49.390\ Andrew Clegg: Yeah. 427\ 00:36:49.390 --> 00:36:50.840\ David Morgan-Jones: of Hampshire into Surrey. 428\ 00:36:51.080 --> 00:36:56.960\ David Morgan-Jones: Yeah. So wherever you've got the, sort of, the large heather areas, the adder likes to roam. 429\ 00:36:57.930 --> 00:36:59.180\ Andrew Clegg: Oh, okay. 430\ 00:36:59.510 --> 00:37:04.360\ Andrew Clegg: But has Hampshire produced this, sort of, this kind of. 431\ 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:06.810\ David Morgan-Jones: No, sorry. Sorry, Wildlife Trust have. 432\ 00:37:07.130 --> 00:37:08.430\ Andrew Clegg: I already want to left trust, yeah. 433\ 00:37:08.430 --> 00:37:14.199\ David Morgan-Jones: And they're trying to build a corridor from Surrey all the way to the New Forest. 434\ 00:37:18.370 --> 00:37:28.300\ Andrew Clegg: I mean, it all makes sense, but they're not joined up, and they haven't thought about the, the necessarily mapping… necessary mapping technology for everyone. 435\ 00:37:28.770 --> 00:37:37.639\ Andrew Clegg: you know, they've got their own little… produce their own little maps, and I suspect each county is producing a… using a different format. 436\ 00:37:41.110 --> 00:37:47.130\ Andrew Clegg: And, parishes don't seem to be involved, except, I gather, South Gloucestershire. They seem to be, 437\ 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.000\ Andrew Clegg: Seriously involved. 438\ 00:37:49.870 --> 00:37:52.450\ Andrew Clegg: But doesn't the King live in South Gloucestershire? 439\ 00:37:56.520 --> 00:37:56.910\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Sorry. 440\ 00:37:56.910 --> 00:37:57.610\ Retired Clerk: I know, he lives. 441\ 00:37:57.610 --> 00:37:58.160\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Isn't. 442\ 00:37:58.160 --> 00:38:00.549\ Retired Clerk: No, he lives in… he lives in Gloucestershire. 443\ 00:38:00.950 --> 00:38:03.410\ Andrew Clegg: I mean, not South Gloucestershire, is it? 444\ 00:38:03.410 --> 00:38:05.919\ Retired Clerk: Safe Gloucestershire's Old Avon. 445\ 00:38:06.080 --> 00:38:07.100\ Retired Clerk: Oh, is it? 446\ 00:38:07.100 --> 00:38:08.150\ Andrew Clegg: Oh, really? 447\ 00:38:08.740 --> 00:38:12.680\ Retired Clerk: Igroves, iGroves, real Gloucestershire. 448\ 00:38:12.680 --> 00:38:13.260\ Andrew Clegg: Okay. 449\ 00:38:13.260 --> 00:38:16.880\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So who lives in that funny building in London with the flag on top of it? 450\ 00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:18.800\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Doesn't he live there? 451\ 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:19.250\ Retired Clerk: A clarity. 452\ 00:38:19.250 --> 00:38:19.950\ David Morgan-Jones: Nope. 453\ 00:38:19.950 --> 00:38:21.230\ Retired Clerk: Parents' lion. 454\ 00:38:21.860 --> 00:38:24.280\ Andrew Clegg: That's a cardboard cutout. 455\ 00:38:26.710 --> 00:38:28.039\ Retired Clerk: It's Clarence's house. 456\ 00:38:28.810 --> 00:38:30.699\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, lovely. Yes, okay. 457\ 00:38:33.240 --> 00:38:34.950\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright, Stuart, it's your turn. 458\ 00:38:36.330 --> 00:38:39.010\ Stuart Bacon: Yeah, no, I just keep putting stuff in chat. 459\ 00:38:39.290 --> 00:38:44.359\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that's true, you do, that is… yes, that is good. All right, that's one excuse, then. 460\ 00:38:47.180 --> 00:38:47.740\ john Roberts: Yay. 461\ 00:38:49.670 --> 00:38:54.970\ john Roberts: One of the things that, or one of the discussions at the conference on Friday. 462\ 00:38:55.830 --> 00:38:59.349\ john Roberts: was by the… the Electoral Commission. 463\ 00:39:01.450 --> 00:39:02.980\ john Roberts: Because we're aware. 464\ 00:39:04.140 --> 00:39:06.320\ Stuart Bacon: Written registered to post it back then. 465\ 00:39:06.750 --> 00:39:12.559\ john Roberts: No, it's… we're aware that Somerset, at the moment, is changing its ward boundaries. 466\ 00:39:13.050 --> 00:39:13.580\ Andrew Clegg: Yeah. 467\ 00:39:13.580 --> 00:39:19.819\ john Roberts: And… Certainly, Chris will be aware of, some parishes wanting to merge. 468\ 00:39:20.490 --> 00:39:21.590\ john Roberts: And some not. 469\ 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:23.530\ Andrew Clegg: But… 470\ 00:39:23.530 --> 00:39:29.080\ john Roberts: once the board boundary review is finished. 471\ 00:39:29.570 --> 00:39:31.970\ john Roberts: The Electoral Commission is then starting 472\ 00:39:32.640 --> 00:39:36.419\ john Roberts: Looking at town and parish boundaries, and… 473\ 00:39:37.130 --> 00:39:41.749\ john Roberts: Dividing them up, or merging them, whether they want to merge or not. 474\ 00:39:43.170 --> 00:39:46.379\ Stuart Bacon: What, just within your area, or nationally? 475\ 00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:51.080\ john Roberts: well, Somerset at the moment. Well, we were giving the talk with regards to Somerset. 476\ 00:39:51.210 --> 00:39:53.469\ john Roberts: Whether it's nationally or not, I don't know. 477\ 00:39:54.950 --> 00:40:00.140\ john Roberts: But, certainly within regard to Somerset, they're looking at merging some of the smaller parishes. 478\ 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:06.350\ john Roberts: And you've got anomalies where the parish boundary goes through the middle of somebody's house, and things like this. 479\ 00:40:06.980 --> 00:40:08.879\ john Roberts: They're gonna change all of this. 480\ 00:40:09.430 --> 00:40:14.150\ john Roberts: And this is supposed to be up and running by 2027. 481\ 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:16.270\ Andrew Clegg: Mmm. 482\ 00:40:18.890 --> 00:40:21.760\ john Roberts: But I thought it was quite topical, because, 483\ 00:40:22.220 --> 00:40:25.640\ john Roberts: U.S. Episcopy and Langport have merged. 484\ 00:40:26.180 --> 00:40:31.140\ john Roberts: Chris's neighbours are trying to merge, but… Answered isn't. 485\ 00:40:31.420 --> 00:40:33.200\ john Roberts: hostile takeover. 486\ 00:40:33.530 --> 00:40:34.100\ Retired Clerk: He's a hole. 487\ 00:40:34.100 --> 00:40:34.820\ john Roberts: So, take… 488\ 00:40:35.100 --> 00:40:35.630\ chris edwards: Yeah. 489\ 00:40:35.630 --> 00:40:36.500\ Retired Clerk: I'm traversing. 490\ 00:40:36.500 --> 00:40:39.319\ john Roberts: But yeah, it's… 491\ 00:40:39.530 --> 00:40:44.960\ john Roberts: There wasn't anybody at the conference, from what I can gather, from that end of the country, so they wouldn't have known about it. 492\ 00:40:47.770 --> 00:40:53.799\ john Roberts: But it's supposed to be sorted out by the elections on the 6th of May 2027. 493\ 00:40:57.650 --> 00:40:59.920\ john Roberts: Or that's when the consultation will end. 494\ 00:41:06.870 --> 00:41:15.670\ Andrew Clegg: Yeah, but the areas like… like Chris's and like Langport, there must be lots of those, particularly in Somerset, where you've got, 495\ 00:41:15.860 --> 00:41:19.690\ Andrew Clegg: An authority that needs to spend money 496\ 00:41:19.890 --> 00:41:25.730\ Andrew Clegg: But all the ratepayers that benefit from that authority live in the next authority. 497\ 00:41:26.210 --> 00:41:27.130\ Andrew Clegg: So, Christian… 498\ 00:41:27.130 --> 00:41:27.680\ john Roberts: So… 499\ 00:41:27.680 --> 00:41:33.290\ Andrew Clegg: Chris's parish earns the money, and Castle Carey spends it. 500\ 00:41:34.160 --> 00:41:34.650\ chris edwards: Right. 501\ 00:41:34.650 --> 00:41:40.510\ john Roberts: You've got anomalies, I mean, around here, as Richard will know. You've got Otterhampton Parish. 502\ 00:41:41.180 --> 00:41:47.010\ john Roberts: Which includes Cummage. Cummage is the really big village, Otterhampton is a group of houses. 503\ 00:41:47.010 --> 00:41:47.490\ Andrew Clegg: Yeah. 504\ 00:41:47.490 --> 00:41:49.360\ john Roberts: And yet, it's Otterhampton Parish. 505\ 00:41:51.730 --> 00:41:59.060\ john Roberts: And we've got around here several, parish meetings where they're not part of a par… an actual parish at all. 506\ 00:42:00.580 --> 00:42:02.219\ Retired Clerk: Stockton, Bristol. 507\ 00:42:02.350 --> 00:42:03.459\ john Roberts: Stottle and Bristol. 508\ 00:42:03.460 --> 00:42:05.160\ Retired Clerk: Next to Otterampton. 509\ 00:42:05.650 --> 00:42:06.180\ john Roberts: Yeah. 510\ 00:42:06.180 --> 00:42:07.440\ Retired Clerk: Writing for takeover. 511\ 00:42:08.520 --> 00:42:09.030\ Andrew Clegg: And… 512\ 00:42:09.030 --> 00:42:09.710\ john Roberts: Duh. 513\ 00:42:10.540 --> 00:42:15.099\ john Roberts: So, yeah, I mean, but also, you said it yourself, we had West Somerset. 514\ 00:42:15.610 --> 00:42:17.920\ john Roberts: West Somerset, when it was formed. 515\ 00:42:18.030 --> 00:42:23.779\ john Roberts: Didn't actually have any industry or wherewithal of making money. 516\ 00:42:25.580 --> 00:42:30.820\ john Roberts: Whereas places like Sedgemore, Mendit, yeah, they made lots of money. 517\ 00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:34.580\ john Roberts: So West Somerset failed, and this is the kind of boundaries they're looking at. 518\ 00:42:39.350 --> 00:42:43.999\ Retired Clerk: Maybe somebody will have a bright idea and come up with one unitary authority for the whole lot. 519\ 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:44.780\ chris edwards: Oh, dear. 520\ 00:42:44.780 --> 00:42:48.780\ john Roberts: Yeah, right. Well, that came with your discussion as well. 521\ 00:42:54.320 --> 00:43:02.510\ john Roberts: But the only other thing… well, the interesting point with the conference, I sat in the workshop that Chris Mews did, which was very good. 522\ 00:43:02.980 --> 00:43:08.200\ john Roberts: There were quite a few people there who weren't aware of Parish Online. 523\ 00:43:09.260 --> 00:43:14.360\ john Roberts: Several of whom have now gone away with Graham's email address. 524\ 00:43:15.860 --> 00:43:17.400\ john Roberts: Which I kindly gave them. 525\ 00:43:18.410 --> 00:43:20.700\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Thank you very much. Much appreciated. 526\ 00:43:20.700 --> 00:43:27.390\ john Roberts: What was noticeable? When somebody mentioned the Friday banter session, Chris quickly changed the subject. 527\ 00:43:28.250 --> 00:43:31.299\ john Roberts: I would say the quickest change. 528\ 00:43:31.300 --> 00:43:33.829\ Andrew Clegg: a subject I've ever seen. 529\ 00:43:35.930 --> 00:43:39.519\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Perhaps Chris didn't realize that you were a regular member. 530\ 00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:42.670\ john Roberts: Oh, no, I had been talking to him previous to that. 531\ 00:43:42.670 --> 00:43:43.840\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Bye. 532\ 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:45.599\ john Roberts: quite amicably, I might add. 533\ 00:43:45.820 --> 00:43:50.080\ john Roberts: Until you mentioned you were part of the metagroup. No, no, he knows where I'm from. 534\ 00:43:50.510 --> 00:43:52.120\ john Roberts: Only knows where I'm from. 535\ 00:43:52.910 --> 00:43:55.950\ Retired Clerk: Right? We're still trying to get… 536\ 00:43:55.950 --> 00:44:02.690\ john Roberts: data out of Wessex Water and National Grid, actually, with actually nil success at the moment. 537\ 00:44:05.130 --> 00:44:05.780\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Pun. 538\ 00:44:06.620 --> 00:44:14.810\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, that's another example. The National Grid, do a very useful interactive map layer for the whole country. 539\ 00:44:14.810 --> 00:44:29.769\ Andrew Clegg: And it's completely open to the… you have to log in, you have to, you know, but you don't have to pay anything. And it tells you a lot about your power supply in your parish, and where all the transformers are and things. Yeah. 540\ 00:44:29.770 --> 00:44:36.830\ Andrew Clegg: But it's… it's not compatible with the parish online, and there doesn't seem to be… Yeah. 541\ 00:44:36.830 --> 00:44:45.150\ john Roberts: They've got… they've got a section in Paris Online, which deals with the National Grid, But it's, 542\ 00:44:45.770 --> 00:44:48.320\ john Roberts: Above ground, you know, the pylons. 543\ 00:44:48.450 --> 00:44:49.110\ Andrew Clegg: Yeah. 544\ 00:44:49.110 --> 00:44:53.310\ john Roberts: But if you put in substations, it doesn't give you down to our level. 545\ 00:44:53.570 --> 00:45:10.679\ Andrew Clegg: Yeah. Well, I had to look up all the substations around me, because we've got a development, which I've spoken about before, on the A303, where they're trying to build a big lorry, lorry park, and electric charging station capable of charging up, 546\ 00:45:11.100 --> 00:45:20.090\ Andrew Clegg: 100 vehicles at once, and for that, you need an electricity supply approximately the same as Martok, the whole village. 547\ 00:45:20.470 --> 00:45:33.130\ Andrew Clegg: And there's only one transformer, only one substation in our part of Somerset that can do that, and that happens to be quite close to us, and so we're getting this thing built. 548\ 00:45:39.700 --> 00:45:40.440\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right. 549\ 00:45:45.550 --> 00:45:47.729\ john Roberts: So, I was looking for the National Grid one. 550\ 00:45:47.730 --> 00:45:48.300\ Andrew Clegg: Hmm. 551\ 00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.520\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Sorry, John, I have to leave. 552\ 00:45:56.670 --> 00:46:05.240\ john Roberts: It's supposed to give you substations, towers, pylons, electrical cable, overhead lines, gas site points, gas site, and gas pipe. 553\ 00:46:05.700 --> 00:46:11.699\ john Roberts: But… Those are the very big 440K lines. I've never seen these small. 554\ 00:46:11.700 --> 00:46:14.729\ Stuart Bacon: Anyone I've just, sort of, uploaded, John, to the chat? 555\ 00:46:14.730 --> 00:46:18.170\ john Roberts: No. No, no, no, I haven't got that far yet, Stuart, yeah. 556\ 00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:24.490\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: if… That one you've got, Stuart, does that show you all these things? 557\ 00:46:25.100 --> 00:46:34.110\ Stuart Bacon: It… it shows the… a lot of them as downloadable shapefiles, and shows a map of… So, something. 558\ 00:46:34.650 --> 00:46:42.130\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, the answer to your question is yes, Parish Online does, or at least XMAT does, upload shapefiles. 559\ 00:46:42.370 --> 00:46:44.370\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Piece of cake. 560\ 00:46:45.090 --> 00:46:48.759\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And because XMAT does it, then Paris Online gets them. 561\ 00:46:49.410 --> 00:46:51.630\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, yes, is the answer to your question. 562\ 00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:56.859\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I wonder why, if that data is available, why they aren't bothering with that. 563\ 00:46:57.720 --> 00:47:04.189\ john Roberts: Well, on Parish Online, it's got the main transmission routes. That's what it seems to concentrate on. 564\ 00:47:04.450 --> 00:47:08.140\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, and that's what we've got here, isn't it, on these shaped foam? Yeah. Yeah. 565\ 00:47:09.470 --> 00:47:18.060\ john Roberts: when I spoke to Chris about it some time ago, he said that's, at the moment, is all they upload, is the big transmission routes. 566\ 00:47:18.490 --> 00:47:24.410\ john Roberts: And said, you know, best of luck, have a chat. Well, first of all, you've got to find out who you talk to. 567\ 00:47:25.470 --> 00:47:26.190\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well… 568\ 00:47:26.510 --> 00:47:35.870\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: As Stuart has pointed out, they've got the towers, the cables, the substations, all readily available, it's just that you can download them from the website. 569\ 00:47:36.160 --> 00:47:38.960\ john Roberts: So I thought it was a piece of cake to Chris. 570\ 00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:43.369\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: To get them, particularly since he's already getting the major overhead lines. 571\ 00:47:49.230 --> 00:47:54.720\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because I can see it'd be hugely useful to, you know, parishes to know what was going on, wouldn't it? 572\ 00:47:55.640 --> 00:48:00.300\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Particularly as we're going into EVs, and that you need to know where the substations are. 573\ 00:48:01.540 --> 00:48:04.229\ Andrew Clegg: Yeah, and the ones with capacity. 574\ 00:48:04.890 --> 00:48:05.480\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes. 575\ 00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:06.340\ Andrew Clegg: That's… that's… 576\ 00:48:06.340 --> 00:48:08.420\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Does it mention the capacity on these things? 577\ 00:48:08.420 --> 00:48:13.940\ Andrew Clegg: Yeah, I've got… I'm just putting it online, if I can work on now how to put things in the, 578\ 00:48:14.730 --> 00:48:17.780\ Andrew Clegg: And there, I've got the map, yeah. 579\ 00:48:18.980 --> 00:48:22.060\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, it really is a shape party, I see what you're saying. Okay. 580\ 00:48:25.310 --> 00:48:29.179\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let me try putting that into XMAP and see what happens. 581\ 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:36.360\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just out of interest. 582\ 00:48:39.450 --> 00:48:42.039\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or are you already doing that, Andrew? 583\ 00:48:42.040 --> 00:48:47.320\ Andrew Clegg: No, I'm not, I'm just, I'm trying to find, our local substations. 584\ 00:48:47.550 --> 00:48:48.300\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay. 585\ 00:48:49.560 --> 00:48:50.310\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Just elevate. 586\ 00:48:54.600 --> 00:48:57.460\ chris edwards: Graham, what does Claude say all about this? 587\ 00:49:01.220 --> 00:49:05.650\ Retired Clerk: I don't know, he's helping me with carnival plans at the moment, leave me alone. 588\ 00:49:10.060 --> 00:49:12.559\ David Morgan-Jones: I think you're a miserable bunch of people to work with. 589\ 00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:13.446\ chris edwards: What's the. 590\ 00:49:13.710 --> 00:49:17.460\ Retired Clerk: I was very polite to him. I asked… 591\ 00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:19.510\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: You've liked Claude. 592\ 00:49:20.010 --> 00:49:21.389\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: All worried about me. 593\ 00:49:21.590 --> 00:49:22.190\ chris edwards: Nope. 594\ 00:49:22.390 --> 00:49:24.219\ Retired Clerk: Oh, well, I did say about you. 595\ 00:49:24.220 --> 00:49:29.629\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: He said, Claude Bobby said, is that the idiot who was on this morning? 596\ 00:49:29.630 --> 00:49:31.610\ Retired Clerk: I mentioned your name. Yeah. 597\ 00:49:34.720 --> 00:49:37.719\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Actually, it was funny, I was on very early this morning, like, about… 598\ 00:49:38.020 --> 00:49:42.700\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: 4.30, 5 o'clock, and Claude came immediately and said, good morning, night owl. 599\ 00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:50.089\ Stuart Bacon: Hopefully you do it up at that time of the morning, Graham? 600\ 00:49:50.940 --> 00:50:00.780\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, you know how it is, you wake up in the middle of the night, and your head's buzzing with ideas, and I think, if I don't get them down, they'll never get down. 601\ 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:13.089\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it was all… it's all to do with computers anyway, so I just came out to the office and did everything, and it was… actually, it was for this, spreadsheet that I was discussing before Andrew arrived. 602\ 00:50:13.200 --> 00:50:19.330\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I thought, surely Claude can do it better than I can, and lo and behold, he did, in due course. 603\ 00:50:20.100 --> 00:50:25.879\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Long training issue involved. But he did learn from his mistakes. That was interesting, I thought. 604\ 00:50:26.810 --> 00:50:30.840\ Retired Clerk: And he's got my email, date of birth, and, and phone number now. 605\ 00:50:33.290 --> 00:50:34.719\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yours or mine? 606\ 00:50:34.720 --> 00:50:44.549\ Retired Clerk: Well, you can have yours, I don't care about yours, you can take mine. I gave him your date of birth to make me… make me more… more security conscious. 607\ 00:50:50.980 --> 00:50:53.520\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: What are we looking at? Shape files? 608\ 00:51:38.300 --> 00:51:43.360\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, I'm just getting into XLAP to see if I can persuade it to upload these things, just out of interest. 609\ 00:51:56.260 --> 00:51:58.669\ David Morgan-Jones: Graham, if you'll forgive me, I'm going to love you and leave you. 610\ 00:51:59.200 --> 00:52:01.590\ David Morgan-Jones: So I gotta rush off to something else now. 611\ 00:52:02.010 --> 00:52:08.780\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I do say in all the messages I send around that we're quite prepared to deal with those rogue people who just arrive, ask their questions, and disappear again. 612\ 00:52:12.090 --> 00:52:15.479\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright, catch you later, guys. Bye-bye! Have a good weekend. 613\ 00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:16.880\ David Morgan-Jones: Thanks, bye. 614\ 00:52:20.030 --> 00:52:22.739\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, we're getting close to the actual life. 615\ 00:52:23.020 --> 00:52:25.290\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Can we upload this? 616\ 00:52:36.030 --> 00:52:41.059\ Stuart Bacon: National Grid website keeps bibbing to me, keeps telling me it's emailed me, and it hasn't. 617\ 00:52:58.100 --> 00:53:00.500\ Andrew Clegg: How do you upload shape files on… 618\ 00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:07.949\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: You go into Administration, Files, Data Files? Or, sorry, Data, File Upload. 619\ 00:53:08.550 --> 00:53:09.110\ Andrew Clegg: No. 620\ 00:53:11.530 --> 00:53:14.620\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I've just uploaded it, let's see what happens. 621\ 00:53:16.110 --> 00:53:23.360\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: It will not astonish you to know that I've got an invalid syntax error. 622\ 00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:30.029\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: But perhaps it's because the names along the, substations is longer than 6 characters. Let me just… 623\ 00:53:30.560 --> 00:53:33.089\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Shorten those and see if that changes anything. 624\ 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:03.010\ john Roberts: Where did you find the shapefiles? 625\ 00:54:03.730 --> 00:54:09.029\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: There were… if you click on any one of those things that they download on that first page. 626\ 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:11.640\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: They are orange. They're all shapefiles. 627\ 00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:12.770\ john Roberts: Okay. 628\ 00:54:13.580 --> 00:54:17.760\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: I thought you mentioned… somebody asked about shapefiles earlier, wasn't it you? 629\ 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:19.040\ john Roberts: Nope. 630\ 00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:19.979\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hmm, okay. 631\ 00:54:24.110 --> 00:54:28.200\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Sorry, I'm just renaming everything to be less than 6 characters. Might be a second. 632\ 00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:40.540\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Turn that again. 633\ 00:54:59.110 --> 00:55:02.009\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, same error. Okay, I'll go back to them. 634\ 00:55:02.590 --> 00:55:06.429\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: With that, but… Sorry, I can't… 635\ 00:55:06.850 --> 00:55:13.470\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: courage you with the glories of XMAPS facilities today. They've obviously still got a major issue on their syntax errors. 636\ 00:55:16.980 --> 00:55:21.300\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Does anyone else have anything they want to mention, chat about, discuss? 637\ 00:55:21.940 --> 00:55:22.950\ john Roberts: Not today. 638\ 00:55:22.950 --> 00:55:25.460\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Shall we declare an early start to the weekend? 639\ 00:55:26.450 --> 00:55:27.439\ chris edwards: Okay. Yeah. 640\ 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:32.490\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Gentlemen at all, thank you very much. It's been this usual fun thing. Nice to see you back. 641\ 00:55:32.490 --> 00:55:34.289\ chris edwards: Alright, thank you. Bye. 642\ 00:55:34.290 --> 00:55:35.140\ Retired Clerk: Oh, I take care. 643\ 00:55:35.140 --> 00:55:36.089\ Graham Stoddart-Stones: Bye, everyone. Bye-bye.