251121 - 21Nov25 session 25-47

Covering facilities within Parish Online: Live Feeds (traffic), Parish Record, Carbon Calculator, Council Statistics, Importing data, Local Plans and Housing, Mowing Contracts, Area Designation

Video Timeline (min:secs):

00:00 05:35 Introductory Banter

05:35 - 12:45 Facilities within Parish Online - Live Feeds, Parish Record, Carbon Calculater, Local Council Statistics form

12:45 - 13:36 Banter

13:36 - 22:07 Importing mapping data into Parish Online from District Councils

22:07 - 28:45 Local Plans and Housing

28:45 - 29:50 Banter

29:50 - 36:25 Using Parish Online as an online filing system

36:25 - 40:37 Banter - councils and volunteer groups

40:37 - 58:29(end) Mowing Contracts and Area Designation

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Presentation:

No separate formal presentation this week

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Meeting Summary:

Nov 21, 2025 01:54 PM London ID: 897 5877 7706

Quick recap

The meeting focused on introducing Maureen to Parish Online's capabilities, including its traffic monitoring features and data management tools, with Graham providing demonstrations of various functions. David sought guidance on importing Oxford's Local Plan data into the system, leading to a discussion about data import processes and challenges in coordinating between different council departments. The group explored various aspects of Parish Online usage, including mapping capabilities, community organization integration, and recent government changes affecting local planning authorities, while addressing practical concerns about data access and maintenance.

Next steps

• David: Contact Oxford City Council's Customer Satisfaction/Client Relationships Manager to identify the correct person who can provide the Oxford Local Plan 2036 GIS data for import into Parish Online

• David: Work with the identified council contact to provide Geosphere with the data in shapefile or CSV format for importing into Parish Online

• Maureen: Set herself a project of mapping her village using Parish Online to practice the polygon creation techniques demonstrated

Summary

System Capabilities and Weather Discussion

Maureen, who is new to the system, attended the conversation to learn more about its capabilities, particularly for finding property owners and land information. Graham and John discussed the weather conditions in Somerset, noting that while there was some localized flooding, it was not severe. Maureen expressed interest in exploring the system further, mentioning that she had not yet used it for plotting village assets.

Parish Online Traffic Monitoring Demo

Graham demonstrated Parish Online features to Maureen, including the Live Feeds traffic monitoring tool which shows real-time road conditions using color coding, and explained how to access parish boundary information and extract data for specific areas. The discussion revealed that while the color legend for traffic conditions wasn't working for John, the system generally uses green for good flow and brown/red for congestion, with delays being detected by monitoring phone speeds along major roads.

Parish Online Features Overview

Graham explained the features of Parish Online, highlighting its carbon calculator, footprint report, and council statistics questionnaire. He noted that the data is historical, up to 2 years old, and mentioned that funding for updates had resumed. Maureen expressed interest in using the tool to monitor traffic changes due to a new road. David joined the call with a specific question but agreed to address it after the introduction.

Oxford Local Plan Data Access

David sought guidance on importing an Arctis map of Oxford's Local Plan 2036 into Parish Online. Graham explained that the help desk could assist with importing data, but users need to provide GIS files like shapefiles or CSVs. David mentioned challenges in contacting the right person in Oxford City to obtain the map data, as different departments seemed uncoordinated. Graham advised David to approach a department's customer satisfaction or client responsiveness team, who might have the authority to facilitate communication between departments.

Geosphere Data Access Strategies

David and Graham discussed the process of accessing and importing data from Geosphere, noting that Geosphere offers their services at no charge and can handle the work quickly. Graham advised David to contact the client satisfaction or customer complaints department to obtain the necessary data, as these individuals often have the authority to coordinate across silos. They also discussed the possibility of using government legislation as a "nuclear option" to compel councils to provide information, though Graham noted this had not yet been necessary in their experience. David inquired about exporting data from an interactive map for use in GSV, and Graham confirmed that CSV or shapefile formats would be suitable, clarifying that British National Grid format is used for Geosphere's data.

Oxford's Local Plan Challenges

David and Graham discussed the challenges of aligning local plans with government requirements, noting that Oxford's plan was rejected due to a failure to cooperate with neighboring districts. They highlighted the importance of having a permanent link to the approved local plan in Paris Online and mentioned that Oxford is developing a new plan to meet government housing targets. David also shared that Oxford Medium Super Output Area 0118 would receive up to £20 million annually for central government-approved projects through a neighborhood board yet to be established, with some uncertainty about how the board should be set up.

Government Housing Development Policy Changes

The group discussed the status of local planning authorities and recent government changes to housing development approvals. Maureen shared news about new government policies that will give default approval for house building near train stations and reduce the role of parish councils in objecting to developments. John explained a £50 charge from Parish Online for loading certain types of mapping data, though local authority data remains free. The discussion also touched on a specific case where the government overruled a local council's rejection of a development in Froome.

Parish Online Bookmark System Demo

Graham demonstrated Parish Online's bookmark system to Maureen, showing how it can store and organize important village hall information such as Wi-Fi passwords and maintenance details. Andrew pointed out that the main issue with Parish Online is that people aren't aware the data is stored there, so they don't think to check it for information.

Parish Online Challenges and Solutions

The group discussed challenges with Parish Online usage, particularly in small parishes where there's high turnover of council members. They explored how volunteer groups can maintain continuity while avoiding insurance liability issues by operating independently with their own insurance coverage, as demonstrated by John's parish which supports autonomous groups like Stoic Green Spaces and Stowe Shuttle. Graham suggested that making Parish Online accessible to community organizations could increase its adoption, noting that younger parish councils tend to be more tech-savvy and interested in using the platform.

Parish Online Mapping Demonstration

Graham demonstrated how to use Parish Online to map and measure areas, including mowing contracts and verges, using both line and polygon shapes. Maureen learned how to create rough outlines first and then refine them, with John showing how to save and edit the maps. They discussed using the system for village mapping and distribution purposes, with John explaining how they mapped their medieval village street by street to track interlinking gardens.

Parish Online Mapping Discussion

John explained that his color mapping in Parish Online had no bearing on land ownership, as it was simply a tool to differentiate between buildings and gardens. Maureen learned that the mapped properties were registered but not connected to the streets, leading to questions about access. Graham inquired about cadastro parcels, confirming they were separate from the mapped areas. Maureen expressed interest in mapping the village and was advised by John to reset Parish Online to its default settings to start anew.

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Chat:

00:40:24 David Newman: 3 workers - we are lucky to hove 0.4 of a person for a parish with 5000 households. 00:45:31 David Newman: When we ask our insurers, they are often quite helpful.

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Audio-Transcript:

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1 00:05:03.210 --> 00:05:04.470 Maureen Holliday: Afternoon!

2 00:05:05.450 --> 00:05:09.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good day! A voice from… hello, Maureen, welcome!

3 00:05:09.420 --> 00:05:14.370 Maureen Holliday: Well, here I am, goodness me! This is a treat.

4 00:05:14.370 --> 00:05:17.209 Graham Stoddart-Stones: a gun for punishment, if ever I met one.

5 00:05:18.620 --> 00:05:21.179 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So it looks like you've got lots of sunshine up by you.

6 00:05:21.390 --> 00:05:26.769 Maureen Holliday: Oh, yes, but it's been really cold. I think it was about minus 3 plus last night, so…

7 00:05:27.760 --> 00:05:28.610 Maureen Holliday: Let's see.

8 00:05:28.610 --> 00:05:31.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes. Ice on the roads this morning?

9 00:05:31.150 --> 00:05:40.889 Maureen Holliday: I don't know, I don't get up that early now. I'm glad I don't have to defrost a car anymore.

10 00:05:41.060 --> 00:05:44.250 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I always enjoyed telling the story of…

11 00:05:44.370 --> 00:05:55.219 Graham Stoddart-Stones: a real estate salesman that we had in the States when we lived there, and we were trying to sell our house and having absolutely no success whatsoever.

12 00:05:55.470 --> 00:06:00.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And so, someone said, you better change your estate agent, so we tried a new guy.

13 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:19.589 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And he turned up the first day looking as if he'd just that second got out of the shower. His hair was wet, and his clothes sort of had patches on them, so he hadn't had time to dry, and that sort of thing. So we thought, well, that must be a fine job, that he doesn't need to get up until midday, then comes out to his appointments.

14 00:06:19.780 --> 00:06:31.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And every time we saw him thereafter, it was exactly the same. He'd always looked… he'd just come out of the shower. And, on the other hand, he did a great job of selling the house, so we were delighted.

15 00:06:31.870 --> 00:06:32.910 Maureen Holliday: Gosh.

16 00:06:32.910 --> 00:06:42.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it's a good job you haven't arrived with your hair being dried, as we look at you, Maureen, that did that. That's someone else who doesn't need to get up until the last minute.

17 00:06:42.630 --> 00:06:46.400 Maureen Holliday: Yes, yes. How many are you expecting today?

18 00:06:46.910 --> 00:06:49.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, as a matter of fact,

19 00:06:50.410 --> 00:06:55.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The only person outside the usual suspects is going to be yourself.

20 00:06:55.650 --> 00:06:56.660 Maureen Holliday: Oh, right, okay.

21 00:06:56.660 --> 00:07:09.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And in fact, it's very unusual, the usual suspects aren't here by now, so… Still, yeah. Never mind, that means you've got unadulterated, attention. Oh, here comes John, good.

22 00:07:12.220 --> 00:07:25.670 Maureen Holliday: Well, I'm very much a beginner. I like to watch these. I haven't watched any recordings, but I'm very much a beginner on it, so… but I have found it very useful for sort of… for finding owners of houses.

23 00:07:25.670 --> 00:07:26.690 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, good.

24 00:07:27.210 --> 00:07:29.060 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that's amazing. Hi, John!

25 00:07:29.430 --> 00:07:30.420 john Roberts: Good afternoon.

26 00:07:30.690 --> 00:07:32.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones: How's sunny Somerset today?

27 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:34.950 john Roberts: Cold?

28 00:07:35.220 --> 00:07:40.819 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I, I went to a reunion in London on Monday, and

29 00:07:40.820 --> 00:07:57.950 Graham Stoddart-Stones: somebody there who'd just come down from Scotland said, oh, he said, I thought you were going to be very late getting here because of all the floods. And I said, I don't live in Somerset anymore, I live on the other way. Oh, he said, well, Somerset must be underwater. And another guy who just arrived from Taunton said.

30 00:07:57.950 --> 00:08:00.540 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's completely dry on the levels.

31 00:08:00.960 --> 00:08:02.200 Maureen Holliday: Oh,

32 00:08:02.200 --> 00:08:07.749 Graham Stoddart-Stones: He said all the water's a bit further north, in sort of South Wales and possibly North Somerset, I don't know, but…

33 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:11.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Anybody underwater there?

34 00:08:11.410 --> 00:08:15.399 john Roberts: No, there was one day when we had a tremendous amount of rain, but.

35 00:08:16.670 --> 00:08:17.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right away.

36 00:08:18.050 --> 00:08:19.989 john Roberts: Yeah, localised flooding.

37 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:24.660 john Roberts: But that was all. Nothing, nothing really that lasted more than a few hours.

38 00:08:26.430 --> 00:08:27.070 Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

39 00:08:27.070 --> 00:08:32.189 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, Maureen's had to get her Eskimo suit on, because it's minus 3 degrees up there.

40 00:08:32.470 --> 00:08:34.770 Maureen Holliday: Yeah, last night it was minus 3.

41 00:08:35.370 --> 00:08:35.750 john Roberts: Oh, damn.

42 00:08:35.750 --> 00:08:36.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

43 00:08:36.450 --> 00:08:45.229 Maureen Holliday: But, well, we need that sort of thing occasionally. Unfortunately, the poor dahlias are still in the pots outside. They're shimmering.

44 00:08:45.230 --> 00:08:47.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's… that's tough, yes.

45 00:08:47.520 --> 00:08:52.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, did you arrive at any specific questions, Maureen, that you'd like us to address today?

46 00:08:52.480 --> 00:09:06.659 Maureen Holliday: I just hope to learn. You know, as I say, I'm a complete beginner, and apart from using it to find the owners of houses, who owns which bit of land in the parish, I haven't really used it until last week.

47 00:09:06.660 --> 00:09:15.959 Maureen Holliday: So when you… when I watch you, and you're talking all this lingo, I'm thinking, hmm… I need to watch more of the recordings.

48 00:09:16.630 --> 00:09:23.849 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, yes, they… we try and break them down so that we can… you can find out what was discussed that particular day.

49 00:09:23.850 --> 00:09:24.340 Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

50 00:09:24.340 --> 00:09:30.280 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But… So, last week, we were doing tree surveys with you.

51 00:09:30.460 --> 00:09:30.970 Maureen Holliday: Yes.

52 00:09:30.970 --> 00:09:34.480 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that led into boundaries around churchyards and so forth.

53 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:35.860 Maureen Holliday: And I draw a line, yes.

54 00:09:35.860 --> 00:09:38.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, but…

55 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:43.670 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Has that shoved other ideas into your head of, if only I knew how to do that, I'd be doing it?

56 00:09:45.020 --> 00:10:01.460 Maureen Holliday: No, not really. I'm more into, I suppose, really, discovering it, you know, having discovered you can do that, discovering what else you can do with it. I mean, I haven't even got round to plotting the assets in the village yet,

57 00:10:01.550 --> 00:10:17.950 Maureen Holliday: No, I haven't done any of that. As I say, I'm a complete beginner, and I keep trying to find time, and I think, I wish… there's actually nothing better than a training session, as we used to have a good old-fashioned training session. Yeah, I just thought I would go to… where? There.

58 00:10:22.050 --> 00:10:23.789 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Not that one, certainly.

59 00:10:24.260 --> 00:10:26.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, I was right in the middle of that, wasn't I?

60 00:10:26.860 --> 00:10:27.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's

61 00:10:34.010 --> 00:10:41.659 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Thought I would just start off in Paris Online to show you a few things that you may not have noticed, but are at times very useful.

62 00:10:42.210 --> 00:10:43.040 Maureen Holliday: Yes.

63 00:10:43.730 --> 00:10:50.689 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, starting at the top, the very top line here is live feeds, which refers to the roads.

64 00:10:51.040 --> 00:10:51.530 Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

65 00:10:51.530 --> 00:11:00.049 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I think that's fantastic. So if we find a sort of nearby major road, and we just happen to have one there, and we turn on the live feed.

66 00:11:00.310 --> 00:11:06.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It tells you straight away where there are any delays, so you can see that getting off of the roundabouts.

67 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:07.500 Maureen Holliday: Hell yeah.

68 00:11:07.500 --> 00:11:10.989 Graham Stoddart-Stones: A bit of a backlog coming on, or a bit of a backlog going off.

69 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:17.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And there's a little, obviously, a little thumping there, but for a major road, the A303 is in remarkably good shape at the moment.

70 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:17.610 Maureen Holliday: Mmm.

71 00:11:17.610 --> 00:11:19.979 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There we go, there's the usual one there, actually.

72 00:11:20.920 --> 00:11:27.309 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But, so, if you have roads around you that are prone to being,

73 00:11:27.510 --> 00:11:34.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: backed up at times. You could find out, just what the state is at any given part of the day or night.

74 00:11:34.420 --> 00:11:40.149 Maureen Holliday: So, looking at that, but how can you… can you then investigate what the problem is? Is it… No, no, okay.

75 00:11:40.150 --> 00:11:48.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, no, you just see where the delays are, and we think, we're not sure, but we think what they're doing is they're monitoring the number of cell phones.

76 00:11:49.030 --> 00:11:55.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That are going along, and if their cell phones aren't traveling at 60 miles an hour, then clearly there's a backup.

77 00:11:55.770 --> 00:11:56.590 Maureen Holliday: Really?

78 00:11:56.590 --> 00:12:06.769 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, so I think it's really… I think it's really live, so you're really arguing… seeing the roads as they are at the moment. So, I just mentioned it to you as it's the first item on the list, and you may not have spotted it.

79 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:11.549 Maureen Holliday: But I think it's a remarkable piece of kit. Yes!

80 00:12:13.780 --> 00:12:16.680 Maureen Holliday: The medium they're using is interesting, too.

81 00:12:18.170 --> 00:12:19.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Y-yes.

82 00:12:19.860 --> 00:12:31.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I think you… if you look into… if you've got color coding here, which we've got reds and greens and oranges, then you can go up to View Legend.

83 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:37.199 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that will tell you what the various codes mean, except if I turn off the…

84 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:41.319 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, I've turned it off, haven't I? Sorry. That is on.

85 00:12:43.220 --> 00:12:45.550 john Roberts: The legend doesn't seem to come up, Graham.

86 00:12:45.550 --> 00:12:48.129 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, what, not ever, or just on this one?

87 00:12:48.660 --> 00:12:50.620 john Roberts: No, just… just on this live…

88 00:12:50.620 --> 00:12:51.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, right.

89 00:12:51.820 --> 00:13:00.999 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I assume that it makes sense that the more green it is, the better flowing it is, and the more brown and red it is. I have no idea what that color means.

90 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:02.130 Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

91 00:13:02.950 --> 00:13:09.489 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But… So while I'm on it,

92 00:13:09.980 --> 00:13:14.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Maureen, the blue lines, the boundary lines, to your parish.

93 00:13:14.870 --> 00:13:15.670 Maureen Holliday: Yep.

94 00:13:15.670 --> 00:13:30.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones: They are on by default, but it's the only layer alongside the map itself, which is on by default, and you can always turn them off. But what's useful about them is, is that if you click anywhere in that area.

95 00:13:30.410 --> 00:13:30.830 Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

96 00:13:30.830 --> 00:13:33.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You bring up what is called the parish record.

97 00:13:33.900 --> 00:13:35.050 Maureen Holliday: Oh, yes.

98 00:13:35.050 --> 00:13:47.690 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And this is a very useful thing, because if you've got that selected, and then you do, say, a data extract, it will only give you the details for your parish. So if you want to know how many buildings there are in your parish, for instance…

99 00:13:47.690 --> 00:13:48.490 Maureen Holliday: Yes.

100 00:13:48.490 --> 00:13:58.520 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You can click on here, and then go up to the Extract Data column, which is that one, and then extract all the… from the address space. It'll tell you exactly how many buildings you've got in your parish.

101 00:13:58.690 --> 00:13:59.630 Maureen Holliday: Alright.

102 00:13:59.630 --> 00:14:06.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The other thing that this is good for, and not everyone realizes it, is that there is a carbon calculator here.

103 00:14:06.020 --> 00:14:06.780 Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

104 00:14:06.780 --> 00:14:14.260 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, if you are, or your parish council are interested in CO2 and the rest of it, then this is a really good device.

105 00:14:14.420 --> 00:14:15.130 Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

106 00:14:15.130 --> 00:14:17.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it's got an extremely good,

107 00:14:18.880 --> 00:14:21.339 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Help system it to tell you how to use it.

108 00:14:22.580 --> 00:14:24.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which, funny enough…

109 00:14:24.330 --> 00:14:25.650 Maureen Holliday: You need help to get it.

110 00:14:25.650 --> 00:14:41.789 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, using impact tells you, but in particular, I sort of like to mention to people that the footprint Report is actually a very useful thing to have, so it's well worth downloading the footprint Report just to see what's going on in your village.

111 00:14:41.980 --> 00:14:42.310 Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

112 00:14:42.310 --> 00:14:54.419 Graham Stoddart-Stones: your parish. And the other thing is that there are two ways of looking at this. There's either what they call the consumption view, which is how much of your CO2 are you creating in your area.

113 00:14:54.930 --> 00:15:00.200 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's… that's the whole area, on a per-household basis, but you can go into the per…

114 00:15:00.460 --> 00:15:02.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Maybe I was in the wrong ones, right.

115 00:15:02.640 --> 00:15:07.599 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That one's on the per-household basis, and then we can go to that one there.

116 00:15:08.230 --> 00:15:12.009 Graham Stoddart-Stones: One is consumption, and one is creation. So.

117 00:15:12.680 --> 00:15:22.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: How much are you generating, and how much are you using? And a lot of this is due to things outside your control. You can't really control the size of the roads through your parish.

118 00:15:22.050 --> 00:15:27.129 Maureen Holliday: Well, it's actually quite interesting, because we've got a new road coming

119 00:15:27.130 --> 00:15:52.009 Maureen Holliday: in, about a couple of villages away, and everybody's seriously concerned about the traffic coming off it, and rat running. Instead of going into the town as they're supposed to do, they will rat run out. So they've done traffic readings of before the road is opened, but it would be very interesting to do this. So, say, do a week of it, taking readings, and then compare it to

120 00:15:52.010 --> 00:15:57.030 Maureen Holliday: whatever, when they eventually open the road to what's happening then.

121 00:15:57.170 --> 00:15:57.959 Maureen Holliday: That would be amazing.

122 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:03.689 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's true. It needs to be said that these are historical figures, they're not live.

123 00:16:03.860 --> 00:16:04.590 Maureen Holliday: Oh, okay.

124 00:16:04.590 --> 00:16:09.399 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, you're getting stuff that's probably, anything up to 2 years old.

125 00:16:09.530 --> 00:16:10.300 Maureen Holliday: Oh, okay.

126 00:16:10.300 --> 00:16:13.620 Graham Stoddart-Stones: In fact, when this calculator was created.

127 00:16:13.770 --> 00:16:17.859 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There was… it was the result of a sort of work with the…

128 00:16:17.980 --> 00:16:29.769 Graham Stoddart-Stones: University in Bristol and down in Exeter, and the center for, Sustainability and sustainable energy.

129 00:16:29.980 --> 00:16:35.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the funding for the whole thing, which was provided by the government, dropped off.

130 00:16:35.780 --> 00:16:46.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So the whole thing stopped. I think they've revised it now, they've sort of got it going again, but for a moment, you had no change in the data, and some of it was very suspicious.

131 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:48.990 Maureen Holliday: So no change in 2 years, yeah.

132 00:16:48.990 --> 00:16:52.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's right. So, I just mentioned it in passing.

133 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.410 Maureen Holliday: Do you think it'll come back that they're… you said that you think they're getting.

134 00:16:55.410 --> 00:16:56.850 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think so, yes.

135 00:16:56.850 --> 00:16:57.710 Maureen Holliday: Oh, good.

136 00:16:57.710 --> 00:17:02.850 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The other thing which, again, most people seem to miss is that there is…

137 00:17:03.520 --> 00:17:08.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones: a button here for Council Statistics. If you click on the button here.

138 00:17:09.550 --> 00:17:15.940 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It comes up with a questionnaire, and you can go through it, start filling in the answers, like,

139 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.079 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do you have a competent,

140 00:17:19.500 --> 00:17:25.699 Graham Stoddart-Stones: a certificate of competency, and what, you know, sort of thing. So, all things about your parish council.

141 00:17:26.549 --> 00:17:29.979 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I don't think everyone recognizes is there.

142 00:17:30.930 --> 00:17:39.559 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then, once you have filled it in, you can go back and look at the results, later. And I think there's a chance of comparing you with other

143 00:17:39.840 --> 00:17:41.590 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Places across the country.

144 00:17:41.980 --> 00:17:42.340 Maureen Holliday: Okay.

145 00:17:42.340 --> 00:17:47.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But, so I mentioned that. And let me just say good afternoon to David, nice to have you with us.

146 00:17:49.500 --> 00:17:50.739 David Newman: Hi, hello.

147 00:17:50.810 --> 00:18:06.969 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We're just going through, because Maureen is fairly new to Parish Online, we were just running through the various things that you may not see when you first go into it. But did you come because you have a specific question you wish answered today?

148 00:18:07.510 --> 00:18:15.049 David Newman: Yes, it's a specific question. It's probably quite quick, so I can wait until you've done this and finished the introduction.

149 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:21.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that could go on forever if no one else shows up, so if Maureen will forgive us.

150 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:23.099 Maureen Holliday: Yeah, yeah, no, it's fine.

151 00:18:23.100 --> 00:18:26.569 Graham Stoddart-Stones: question, David, and at least save you some time, perhaps.

152 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:29.290 David Newman: Yes.

153 00:18:29.290 --> 00:18:32.109 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Shall I stop sharing? Do you want to share what's on your screen?

154 00:18:32.110 --> 00:18:34.349 David Newman: Yeah, that'll make it quicker, yep.

155 00:18:34.350 --> 00:18:35.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

156 00:18:35.130 --> 00:18:39.020 David Newman: So… Just being given a link.

157 00:18:39.290 --> 00:18:45.579 David Newman: to an Arctis map of Oxford Local Plan 2036.

158 00:18:45.580 --> 00:18:51.149 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. And I want to know how to get that imported, because it is actually, at the moment.

159 00:18:51.150 --> 00:18:54.740 David Newman: An interactive view on a map on ArcGIS.

160 00:18:55.970 --> 00:19:00.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones: you have to ask the help desk to do that for you.

161 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:01.500 David Newman: Right.

162 00:19:01.500 --> 00:19:05.809 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There are no means of, importing data into

163 00:19:06.890 --> 00:19:11.830 Graham Stoddart-Stones: parish online by the users. The help desk has no problem, and you can.

164 00:19:11.830 --> 00:19:15.680 David Newman: And what do the help desk have to know so they can do that?

165 00:19:15.890 --> 00:19:25.429 Graham Stoddart-Stones: They either have to be given, a file of data in a GIS format, so the usual one is what's called a shapefile.

166 00:19:26.300 --> 00:19:37.169 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if these people have… have issued this in a shapefile form, then they can cope with that. Well, they can cope with anything, really. They can take just a regular CSV file.

167 00:19:37.340 --> 00:19:47.700 David Newman: Well, this is… Oxfordcitymapsarches.com, so it's… I suspect it's a view, rather than the actual data.

168 00:19:48.710 --> 00:19:50.589 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, well, I, I think…

169 00:19:50.830 --> 00:19:57.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you familiar with the procedure that you have to go through that's in the knowledge base?

170 00:19:57.460 --> 00:20:02.150 David Newman: Yes, but I've only done the one about,

171 00:20:04.650 --> 00:20:10.230 David Newman: Public, accessible data, and they had a look and discovered it was all out of date.

172 00:20:14.500 --> 00:20:19.519 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well… The basic principle is, is that,

173 00:20:20.030 --> 00:20:38.939 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Geosphere like you to do the work of identifying the person with whom they need to speak, and you've got to sort of strike up a communication that says, yes, you're very interested in this map, and yes, if they… you put Geosphere in touch with them, will they give them the data that you need?

174 00:20:39.220 --> 00:20:41.849 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the answer is usually yes.

175 00:20:42.050 --> 00:20:51.039 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But, the Geosphere people themselves don't have the time to go and work out who it is, who's the source of this data. They ask if you would please do that.

176 00:20:51.310 --> 00:21:00.200 David Newman: Right, well, the problem is the GIS person in Oxford City,

177 00:21:01.790 --> 00:21:07.380 David Newman: Seems to be stuck asking people in other departments to get permission to share the maps.

178 00:21:07.930 --> 00:21:13.800 David Newman: And someone in the planning department shared with a local

179 00:21:14.740 --> 00:21:17.860 David Newman: architect this map I've been showing you.

180 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:23.040 David Newman: And I've no idea which is the right person.

181 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:27.200 David Newman: Because it doesn't seem they actually speak to each other.

182 00:21:27.260 --> 00:21:36.340 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I know. The advice I tend to give to people in this case is to look for somebody who's got the title of,

183 00:21:37.860 --> 00:21:41.200 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Cheap customer satisfaction.

184 00:21:41.500 --> 00:21:52.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, I don't know if your councils do it, but certainly the ones I've been dealing with, they've come to the conclusion that they're actually there to service their clients, and as a parish, you're their client.

185 00:21:52.520 --> 00:21:54.490 David Newman: And so you go to…

186 00:21:54.490 --> 00:22:04.449 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the Customer Satisfaction Department, or the client responsiveness department, or whatever it's called, and say to them, could you please help me identify

187 00:22:04.670 --> 00:22:12.929 Graham Stoddart-Stones: whom I need to talk to, because they tend to be senior people who've been given the clout to knock heads together.

188 00:22:12.930 --> 00:22:25.240 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that's the problem we all find, that we call in and we're just nobodies, you know, but if their own man who's there to drive customer satisfaction is saying, you've got to help these people, they'll actually get around to doing it.

189 00:22:26.090 --> 00:22:32.290 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's not very helpful to you in terms of specifics, but in general terms, I hope it's helpful.

190 00:22:32.710 --> 00:22:33.940 David Newman: Yes.

191 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:43.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they all have different names for these departments, so you have to look for something along the lines of client responsibility, or

192 00:22:43.670 --> 00:22:46.819 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Customer satisfaction, or whatever it happens to be.

193 00:22:48.250 --> 00:22:51.520 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Client Relationships Manager is a good one.

194 00:22:52.020 --> 00:22:52.549 David Newman: Hi.

195 00:22:52.550 --> 00:23:03.569 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But that's the best I can do, I'm afraid. What it is worth remembering, and I'm sure you're already aware of this, but I'm just saying this for Maureen's purposes as much as anything else, is that…

196 00:23:03.650 --> 00:23:15.750 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Geosphere are prepared to do all the work at no charge, and they tend to be extremely fast. Because they're doing this every day, it literally is a matter of a second or two once they know where to go.

197 00:23:16.590 --> 00:23:19.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So…

198 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:30.830 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It doesn't involve any extra work on the Council's end, except, as you have highlighted, finding out who on earth owns the data is a big issue for them.

199 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:34.169 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because of the silos that they all tend to operate in.

200 00:23:35.230 --> 00:23:41.010 David Newman: Yes, although I noticed on their help page They do talk about charges.

201 00:23:41.740 --> 00:23:42.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones: charges.

202 00:23:43.280 --> 00:23:45.479 David Newman: For importing data, yes.

203 00:23:46.350 --> 00:23:47.670 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or exporting it.

204 00:23:48.100 --> 00:23:50.500 David Newman: No, bring it into Paris Online.

205 00:23:51.330 --> 00:23:58.620 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, no, no charges, because A they aren't doing the work, and B, Geosphere are doing the work, and they don't charge.

206 00:23:59.630 --> 00:24:04.109 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it appears to be one of those wonderful

207 00:24:04.450 --> 00:24:08.679 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Little side notes to put you off actually asking him to do something.

208 00:24:10.940 --> 00:24:11.610 David Newman: Alright.

209 00:24:12.340 --> 00:24:13.899 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's the best I can offer.

210 00:24:14.350 --> 00:24:15.750 David Newman: Alright, okay.

211 00:24:16.260 --> 00:24:18.619 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But it has…

212 00:24:18.970 --> 00:24:31.710 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I found has worked, that the people tasked with getting client satisfaction, or the customer complaints people, whatever, have got the authority to knock heads together to get you the answers you need.

213 00:24:32.300 --> 00:24:39.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because any council that's set up such a person has realized that they are indeed answerable to their clients.

214 00:24:43.200 --> 00:25:01.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, and I'm sure you've been on a call before where we've talked about the nuclear option, where there is government legislation that says councils are obliged to provide the information that you're looking for in the most convenient form possible, where the convenient form is your convenience, not theirs.

215 00:25:02.850 --> 00:25:09.619 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, that's always a fallback if nothing else works, but I've yet to find anybody who's actually gone that far yet.

216 00:25:10.260 --> 00:25:11.200 David Newman: Oh, hi.

217 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:14.489 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's like demanding a Freedom of Information thing, you know, you've got to…

218 00:25:15.010 --> 00:25:20.690 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Say, you are required to give me this according to this government law, so please give it to me.

219 00:25:22.300 --> 00:25:29.330 David Newman: Yes, the people dealing with Freedom of Information requests probably don't know even less about who is the person to get it from.

220 00:25:29.330 --> 00:25:31.540 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, yes.

221 00:25:31.710 --> 00:25:34.589 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Welcome to the world of local government.

222 00:25:38.990 --> 00:25:43.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Anything else, David, that you, being nagged by at the moment?

223 00:25:43.510 --> 00:25:50.070 David Newman: Now, that was a specific thing, because I just got this wonderful map, interactive.

224 00:25:50.070 --> 00:25:52.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's a good-looking map, isn't it? Yep.

225 00:25:52.930 --> 00:25:53.430 David Newman: Yeah.

226 00:25:53.430 --> 00:25:57.859 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, well, they have to export it in a form that,

227 00:25:58.230 --> 00:26:04.410 Graham Stoddart-Stones: geosphere can cope with, and a CSV file is fine, or a better… best of a lot of shapefiles.

228 00:26:05.210 --> 00:26:07.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes. The.

229 00:26:08.840 --> 00:26:11.130 David Newman: So it doesn't have to be WMS.

230 00:26:12.370 --> 00:26:12.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nope.

231 00:26:13.790 --> 00:26:16.239 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, it doesn't have to be.

232 00:26:16.420 --> 00:26:17.140 David Newman: Bye-bye.

233 00:26:17.430 --> 00:26:22.869 Graham Stoddart-Stones: All of, geosphere's data is stored in…

234 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:28.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones: British National Grid format, number 27700, if that helps.

235 00:26:28.340 --> 00:26:36.659 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which it does help, that's important to know, but again, they will resolve that, as long as you've given them someone to talk to.

236 00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:44.600 David Newman: Yeah, because that map is actually the actual approved local plan, not the one that was rejected.

237 00:26:46.250 --> 00:26:51.999 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, crucial to you then, and really, really useful to have in Paris Online.

238 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:52.980 David Newman: Yeah.

239 00:26:52.980 --> 00:26:54.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The other thing, too.

240 00:26:55.070 --> 00:27:05.470 Graham Stoddart-Stones: have in the back of your mind is that once they've set these, links up, they can stay there permanently. So if they make… if Oxford makes changes to their plan.

241 00:27:05.870 --> 00:27:06.390 Graham Stoddart-Stones: they will…

242 00:27:06.390 --> 00:27:19.729 David Newman: Oh, no, that will be the 2040, or now 2044 draft plan. Right. Because 2040 was rejected, so they're developing a plan

243 00:27:20.040 --> 00:27:26.550 David Newman: That… Actually gives the number of houses the government wants to be built.

244 00:27:27.050 --> 00:27:30.240 David Newman: As opposed to the number that's actually needed.

245 00:27:32.990 --> 00:27:35.909 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, well, we're all running into those issues, aren't we?

246 00:27:35.910 --> 00:27:41.330 David Newman: In fact, two neighboring Districts have had their…

247 00:27:41.950 --> 00:27:46.070 David Newman: Plans rejected because of failure to cooperate.

248 00:27:47.650 --> 00:27:48.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yup.

249 00:27:49.070 --> 00:27:51.800 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's a tough world, it really is.

250 00:27:52.820 --> 00:27:53.730 David Newman: Yeah.

251 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:58.389 David Newman: And all this is happening when we're going to get 20 million pounds.

252 00:28:00.830 --> 00:28:03.499 David Newman: for the Pride in Place program.

253 00:28:05.370 --> 00:28:06.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Really?

254 00:28:06.700 --> 00:28:12.519 David Newman: Yeah, for Oxford Medium Super Output Area 0118.

255 00:28:12.860 --> 00:28:16.020 David Newman: Which is greater lease and a bit of blackbird lease.

256 00:28:16.820 --> 00:28:17.640 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right?

257 00:28:17.840 --> 00:28:21.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And what does this, £20 million do for you?

258 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:35.870 David Newman: Up to $20 million a year for central government approved projects submitted by a neighbourhood board yet to be set up representing all the community organisations.

259 00:28:35.870 --> 00:28:36.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

260 00:28:38.180 --> 00:28:41.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So who sets up the board, the local authority?

261 00:28:41.560 --> 00:28:48.969 David Newman: Zay… The ones I know are a bit confused, because the government legislation is somewhat vague.

262 00:28:52.910 --> 00:28:55.729 David Newman: So we're possibly going to have to.

263 00:28:55.900 --> 00:28:58.499 David Newman: Tell them how we think it should be done.

264 00:29:00.020 --> 00:29:10.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you know these wonderful catch-22s that you run into? We have one on the Isle of Wight, where the Isle of Wight local plan has been rejected by the government, and so they're having to rethink it.

265 00:29:11.180 --> 00:29:28.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones: In the meantime, they are insisting on building new estates in order to meet the government's building targets. And normally, you can object to them because your neighbourhood plan clashes with the plans from the government.

266 00:29:29.030 --> 00:29:37.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But the neighbourhood plan is declared invalid, because it doesn't tie in with the local plan, because the local plan doesn't exist.

267 00:29:38.410 --> 00:29:46.480 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And so, all our objections to 130 homes being built right where nobody wants them, in the middle of a flood plain.

268 00:29:46.660 --> 00:29:48.589 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And going…

269 00:29:48.930 --> 00:29:55.349 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nowhere, because we have no valid authority, because the local plan doesn't exist, and therefore we can't be complying with it.

270 00:29:55.540 --> 00:29:58.520 David Newman: Isn't the previous local plan still valid?

271 00:29:59.110 --> 00:30:03.759 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I don't think so, because it's already been told, and it's not sufficient.

272 00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:16.380 David Newman: I mean, yes, if they have an expiry date or not, that's the difference. Yeah. Because in Oxford, the approved local plan actually goes through to 2036.

273 00:30:17.590 --> 00:30:23.779 David Newman: So that means, it's still valid, but they got to come up with a new one.

274 00:30:24.830 --> 00:30:29.449 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, so they want you to comply with something that's going to be out of date in a year's time.

275 00:30:30.590 --> 00:30:31.490 David Newman: Perfectly.

276 00:30:31.490 --> 00:30:39.530 Maureen Holliday: Or sooner. Did you… there was some news out, this week that the government's announced that,

277 00:30:39.910 --> 00:30:53.450 Maureen Holliday: How is it now? House building around train stations will be giving default yes in the future, and local planning authorities will also now be required to inform the government when they intend to reject new housing developments over a certain size.

278 00:30:53.530 --> 00:31:12.369 Maureen Holliday: With the Housing Secretary able to have the final say on whether they should go ahead. And finally, there are a raft of proposed changes to the statutory consultee process, with Sport England likely to lose its status as a statutory consultee, and the role of the Gardens Trust and theatres Trust is under review.

279 00:31:12.370 --> 00:31:22.000 Maureen Holliday: So basically, parish councils are going to have, and town councils, less opportunity to object to, building. The government will decide, yes, and that's it.

280 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.609 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Interesting. I wonder how that's going to fit in with devolution.

281 00:31:26.740 --> 00:31:27.230 Maureen Holliday: Hmm, well.

282 00:31:27.230 --> 00:31:34.089 john Roberts: That's… that's already happening here, because there was a… a planning application in Froome.

283 00:31:34.570 --> 00:31:39.190 john Roberts: Which was rejected by the Somerset Council twice.

284 00:31:39.760 --> 00:31:44.239 john Roberts: Right. And the government has stepped in and said, yes, it can go ahead.

285 00:31:45.350 --> 00:31:47.520 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It can go ahead, or it must go ahead.

286 00:31:47.750 --> 00:31:50.210 john Roberts: It can go ahead. It's been approved.

287 00:31:50.570 --> 00:31:51.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Wow.

288 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:58.870 Maureen Holliday: The government said that reforms are necessary to get the house building market moving to meet its housing growth targets.

289 00:32:01.730 --> 00:32:02.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But…

290 00:32:02.130 --> 00:32:05.509 john Roberts: if I can go back to David's question a minute.

291 00:32:05.510 --> 00:32:06.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.

292 00:32:06.970 --> 00:32:10.630 john Roberts: Under the help desk, it's got types of upload.

293 00:32:11.090 --> 00:32:17.570 john Roberts: And data, sourced from a local authority, As we normally look for.

294 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:20.809 john Roberts: It doesn't say there's a charge. However.

295 00:32:21.370 --> 00:32:25.000 john Roberts: If it's data specific to a local council.

296 00:32:25.990 --> 00:32:27.989 john Roberts: Then there is a £50 charge.

297 00:32:29.060 --> 00:32:30.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones: From whom?

298 00:32:30.590 --> 00:32:32.700 john Roberts: from, Parish Online.

299 00:32:34.670 --> 00:32:38.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I wonder how long that's been there, because I've never heard of anybody being charged.

300 00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:43.030 john Roberts: He said, basically, if you have mapping data you'd like loaded into Parrish Online.

301 00:32:43.150 --> 00:32:47.679 john Roberts: And it doesn't fall under the previous section, which is what we normally look for.

302 00:32:48.340 --> 00:32:56.429 john Roberts: They can do it for a small charge. Things like tree surveys, walking routes, information exported from another mapping system.

303 00:32:57.300 --> 00:33:03.060 john Roberts: Then it's got pricing, and it's £50 excluding VAT per request.

304 00:33:03.360 --> 00:33:06.960 john Roberts: Each request can include up to 5 layers of information.

305 00:33:08.310 --> 00:33:10.539 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, but I've not spotted that one before.

306 00:33:10.540 --> 00:33:17.690 john Roberts: But… data sourced from a local authority, which is really, in effect, is what David's asking for.

307 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:20.529 john Roberts: Is as we know it, and there's no charge.

308 00:33:20.950 --> 00:33:21.620 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

309 00:33:21.820 --> 00:33:29.810 john Roberts: Even to the extent that they will give that local authority their normal free XMAP parish online inroad.

310 00:33:30.100 --> 00:33:30.770 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

311 00:33:31.060 --> 00:33:31.830 john Roberts: Okay.

312 00:33:31.990 --> 00:33:33.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's, out of interest.

313 00:33:34.360 --> 00:33:38.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: John, does it say on that what the date of it was at last updated?

314 00:33:39.990 --> 00:33:44.520 john Roberts: Sight, hmm… I don't know.

315 00:33:44.990 --> 00:33:51.309 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It usually has it in the top right corner of the page, just last updated on such and such a date.

316 00:33:52.060 --> 00:33:52.960 john Roberts: Nope.

317 00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:53.980 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay.

318 00:33:53.980 --> 00:33:55.770 john Roberts: You carry on, and I'll have a look.

319 00:33:56.560 --> 00:33:58.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, good afternoon, Andrew.

320 00:33:58.230 --> 00:33:59.840 Andrew Clegg: Oh, sorry I'm a bit late.

321 00:33:59.840 --> 00:34:01.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's quite right.

322 00:34:01.370 --> 00:34:12.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We have answered David's question in a sort of, sort of fashion. Maureen doesn't have any specific questions, so John does have a specific question.

323 00:34:12.389 --> 00:34:16.469 john Roberts: No, I haven't. The answer to your question is it updated 8 months ago.

324 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:17.710 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright.

325 00:34:18.230 --> 00:34:20.120 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, clearly, I'm out of date.

326 00:34:20.770 --> 00:34:22.339 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It was so bizarre, that's…

327 00:34:24.590 --> 00:34:32.460 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, Andrew, the question comes to you before we go back to Maureen, is do you have any questions you're specifically aiming to answer, or have answered?

328 00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:34.599 Andrew Clegg: I don't, I'm afraid, Graham.

329 00:34:34.929 --> 00:34:36.899 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, why have you shown up?

330 00:34:40.969 --> 00:34:45.219 Andrew Clegg: Because then my phone made an alarm noise.

331 00:34:45.219 --> 00:34:50.659 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, 6.30, that's set, isn't it? Every week at 2 o'clock, off he goes.

332 00:34:50.659 --> 00:34:51.109 Andrew Clegg: Yeah.

333 00:34:51.110 --> 00:34:51.480 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Agreed.

334 00:34:51.489 --> 00:34:54.649 john Roberts: If we didn't, you would get incredibly lonely some weeks.

335 00:34:57.569 --> 00:35:09.919 Graham Stoddart-Stones: True. Very true. So, what we were doing was going through Parrish Online from the point of view of a newcomer, such as Maureen, to, basically, what do you use it for, and what can it do?

336 00:35:10.129 --> 00:35:16.549 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And we've got as far, I think, as probably the very first line, which was the live traffic reports.

337 00:35:18.879 --> 00:35:26.209 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I didn't… by all means, other people, just chip in if you've got ideas, because I don't claim to have all of the answers.

338 00:35:27.139 --> 00:35:29.999 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I don't know why we were there, there we go.

339 00:35:30.319 --> 00:35:38.969 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I do have one thing to show you, because it's a favorite of mine, Maureen, which I try and persuade people to make more use of Parish Online.

340 00:35:39.109 --> 00:35:45.989 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I think it's a great way of storing data centrally that everybody in the parish wants to see.

341 00:35:46.200 --> 00:35:46.779 Maureen Holliday: Oh, yeah.

342 00:35:46.780 --> 00:35:55.770 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, for instance, if, are you familiar… well, you aren't familiar with the bookmarks yet, but there is a bookmark system whereby you can create.

343 00:35:55.770 --> 00:36:02.040 Maureen Holliday: The view that you want to see and come back to each time, and then just clicking on the bookmark will take you there.

344 00:36:02.170 --> 00:36:05.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I've got one here for the Village Hall Operations Manual.

345 00:36:06.580 --> 00:36:10.779 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And what that does is instantly take us to the village hall.

346 00:36:10.780 --> 00:36:11.340 Maureen Holliday: Mmm.

347 00:36:11.340 --> 00:36:20.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And there, we've stored all the information that is useful to people who are using the Village Hall. So, usually the first thing that people ask is, what on earth is the Wi-Fi password?

348 00:36:21.050 --> 00:36:21.480 Maureen Holliday: Mmm.

349 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:23.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You can click on there, and it tells you.

350 00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:32.039 Maureen Holliday: And you've got two choices, you know, how to look after the router itself, or how to look after just the general passwords, and there they are.

351 00:36:32.040 --> 00:36:48.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then, the other things are, you know, we have solar panels, so how much do we pay for them? Who cleans them? How often do they need to be cleaned? Have you got the user manual for the inverter, and all that sort of stuff? All stored here, because it's very central and very helpful.

352 00:36:48.450 --> 00:36:49.050 Maureen Holliday: Yes.

353 00:36:49.050 --> 00:36:54.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So people, you know, they want to know how to turn on the stage lighting, they want to control the sound system.

354 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Whatever. Who do you call if the power drops off?

355 00:36:59.720 --> 00:37:00.150 Maureen Holliday: Christmas.

356 00:37:00.150 --> 00:37:12.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, that's just a use that I like to suggest to people they could be using Parish Online for, because it's very easy to find stuff. You know, if you want to find out what was last year's

357 00:37:12.230 --> 00:37:18.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones: annual playground inspection report, like, the place to go and find it is click on the playground.

358 00:37:18.630 --> 00:37:19.060 Maureen Holliday: Right.

359 00:37:19.060 --> 00:37:20.690 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Everyone knows where that is.

360 00:37:20.850 --> 00:37:21.290 Maureen Holliday: Yes.

361 00:37:21.290 --> 00:37:26.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it's just that I think it could be an online filing system.

362 00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:37.359 Graham Stoddart-Stones: For keeping stuff that generally is useful and nobody knows where to get if it's stuck in the filing cabinet and the clerk's gone off on holiday to Madagascar with the key in his pocket.

363 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:38.260 Maureen Holliday: Right.

364 00:37:38.750 --> 00:37:40.409 Andrew Clegg: There is a problem, Graham.

365 00:37:40.580 --> 00:37:42.069 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Of course.

366 00:37:42.070 --> 00:37:46.839 Andrew Clegg: Do you want me to tell you what the problem is? Because I'm meeting up with it all the time.

367 00:37:46.950 --> 00:37:58.490 Andrew Clegg: Nobody knows that this data are… these data are on parish online, so they don't think of going to Parish Online. For example,

368 00:37:58.610 --> 00:38:05.020 Andrew Clegg: Oh, Clark the other day said, send me a little email, is such and such a building listed?

369 00:38:05.020 --> 00:38:05.760 Maureen Holliday: Oh.

370 00:38:07.210 --> 00:38:15.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that's… I agree with you can't do much about, but this sort of thing, if you've got it all set here, you just published it as a public map.

371 00:38:15.240 --> 00:38:20.950 Andrew Clegg: Yeah, but even if it's published, people don't know that it's published, you see.

372 00:38:20.950 --> 00:38:22.940 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you stick it on the website.

373 00:38:22.940 --> 00:38:23.270 Andrew Clegg: engagement.

374 00:38:23.270 --> 00:38:26.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I agree with you, communication is a major issue.

375 00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:36.429 Andrew Clegg: It's a real problem, and particularly when you've got such a high turnover of… we have had, as you know, in Martok, in our parish organization.

376 00:38:36.430 --> 00:38:37.020 john Roberts: Excellent.

377 00:38:37.020 --> 00:38:39.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you core H at the moment?

378 00:38:39.110 --> 00:38:47.640 Andrew Clegg: Oh, yes, we're all right at the moment. We've got, we've got, we've got a nice group of people working for the parish, but…

379 00:38:48.020 --> 00:38:58.010 Andrew Clegg: I'm still the administrator for Parish Online, because nobody's interested in working with Parish Online, taking it over, and things like that.

380 00:38:58.740 --> 00:39:09.200 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I kind… when I do my training classes, I teach people that the reason that most councils got parish online in the first place was because they were doing a neighborhood plan.

381 00:39:09.200 --> 00:39:09.590 Andrew Clegg: Yeah.

382 00:39:09.590 --> 00:39:11.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The neighborhood plan without maps.

383 00:39:12.010 --> 00:39:15.899 Andrew Clegg: And then once you've done the neighborhood plan, nobody has any interest in…

384 00:39:15.900 --> 00:39:26.039 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that's… exactly. So I'm trying to persuade people that it can be more useful, as well as… and preaching to the choir and you guys, but.

385 00:39:26.750 --> 00:39:27.400 Andrew Clegg: Hmm.

386 00:39:28.940 --> 00:39:35.669 Andrew Clegg: One of the things that I've found in a small parish like Martok, where we've only got to really, essentially.

387 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.970 Andrew Clegg: 3 permanent people working for us.

388 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:50.310 Andrew Clegg: Is that it's vital that the people who are, running volunteer groups learned…

389 00:39:50.770 --> 00:39:55.499 Andrew Clegg: about Parish Online, and if necessary, become users.

390 00:39:55.790 --> 00:39:58.690 Andrew Clegg: And, you know, because it's…

391 00:39:58.690 --> 00:40:00.220 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's the only way to get continuity, isn't it?

392 00:40:00.220 --> 00:40:15.160 Andrew Clegg: Yeah, that, exactly, because you… the volunteer groups have continuity in the village very often, whereas the parish doesn't. You get a new parish council every few months, and you get, you know…

393 00:40:15.640 --> 00:40:21.489 Andrew Clegg: So it's the volunteer groups that keep the whole thing going, and slowly we're making some progress.

394 00:40:21.970 --> 00:40:39.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think age may have something to do with it. I know it was very, very interesting in Langport, which has a fairly young parish council. When you ask why, they say, because you've got this fabulous technology. They're all itching to get their hands on parish online, the youngsters love it

395 00:40:40.130 --> 00:40:47.429 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, if you're trying to recruit for your council, you can go make sure you capture the youngest ones by saying, we have the technology.

396 00:40:47.430 --> 00:40:53.190 Andrew Clegg: Now, I wonder why Langport and not Martok, which is almost next door.

397 00:40:53.190 --> 00:41:02.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, there's some very, what's the word, I should say, forthcoming people in Langport. There's one lovely lady there who has no qualms about telling you what she's

398 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:13.679 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But, yes, I found that Langport was extraordinary, and they attributed the youth of their parish council to, or town council, to the faculty.

399 00:41:13.680 --> 00:41:18.840 Andrew Clegg: No, you're right, I deal with Langport Parish Council a lot. It cheers me up.

400 00:41:21.750 --> 00:41:23.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, okay, we've got…

401 00:41:23.530 --> 00:41:28.990 Maureen Holliday: We've always been told not that the council should not have anything to do with volunteer groups.

402 00:41:29.730 --> 00:41:40.219 Maureen Holliday: because of the liability… insurance liability on it. Say, for instance, one group, they wanted to side out a pathway on a B road.

403 00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:56.559 Maureen Holliday: Yeah. Find out this pathway. And… and we said, well, yeah, if you want to do it, you do it as a volunteer group, it's nothing to do with the council. And said, you can go and ask highways if you can do it. So, arrange an appointment for them to see highways, and highways said, yes, you can do it.

404 00:41:56.570 --> 00:42:02.529 Maureen Holliday: But of course, if it was done through the council, we'd have to have traffic regulation, we'd have to.

405 00:42:02.530 --> 00:42:03.000 Andrew Clegg: Yeah.

406 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:10.389 Maureen Holliday: lights, and everything, and it would cost us thousands, but these guys could not understand. He… this was a guy who was…

407 00:42:10.520 --> 00:42:14.989 Maureen Holliday: Never been on a parish council, had come on as a counsellor.

408 00:42:14.990 --> 00:42:30.909 Maureen Holliday: And then a chairman resigned, and he was voted on as chairman. He's no experience of council at all, and he wanted to use it to make a name for himself, good publicity. So he was absolutely furious that he couldn't do it through the council.

409 00:42:31.090 --> 00:42:36.899 Maureen Holliday: So, I don't know if you've had… I don't know how involved you get with volunteer groups.

410 00:42:36.900 --> 00:42:47.020 Andrew Clegg: I'm a volunteer. I'm a volunteer group, you see. Okay. We just go ahead and do things, and then tell the parish council we've done it.

411 00:42:47.020 --> 00:42:49.159 Maureen Holliday: That's all right, because the council not having anything to do.

412 00:42:49.160 --> 00:42:53.050 Andrew Clegg: And then you don't have to have the problem of, insurance.

413 00:42:53.500 --> 00:42:54.719 Maureen Holliday: Yes, yeah, that's right.

414 00:42:54.720 --> 00:42:59.500 john Roberts: We've got… we've got several volunteer groups which we… we work closely with.

415 00:42:59.710 --> 00:43:03.449 john Roberts: One called Stoic Green Spaces, which…

416 00:43:03.730 --> 00:43:09.750 john Roberts: He cleans the village, does a lot of the maintenance work on the woods and the grass areas, etc.

417 00:43:09.900 --> 00:43:15.629 john Roberts: But… They've set themselves up, and they've got their own public liability insurance.

418 00:43:15.630 --> 00:43:16.829 Maureen Holliday: It's alright then, isn't it?

419 00:43:16.830 --> 00:43:23.029 john Roberts: Stowe Shuttle, which is the volunteer drivers, again, we helped set it up.

420 00:43:23.380 --> 00:43:27.120 john Roberts: But it's autonomous, they've got their own insurance and everything else.

421 00:43:27.120 --> 00:43:28.120 Andrew Clegg: Yeah.

422 00:43:29.170 --> 00:43:31.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do any of them use Parish Online, John?

423 00:43:32.170 --> 00:43:34.419 john Roberts: Through, through us, yes.

424 00:43:35.940 --> 00:43:44.020 john Roberts: But… volunteer groups or people that work for the council, you do have to be careful.

425 00:43:44.430 --> 00:43:48.040 john Roberts: Because they are covered by your public liability.

426 00:43:48.990 --> 00:43:57.609 john Roberts: And, that part is, I agree with you, is a minefield. So we tend to encourage groups like that to set themselves up as autonomous.

427 00:43:57.610 --> 00:43:58.000 Maureen Holliday: Mmm.

428 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:04.890 john Roberts: and then they run themselves. We may give them grants, such as the Green Spaces one. We actually pay for their insurance.

429 00:44:05.210 --> 00:44:07.279 john Roberts: But it's air insurance.

430 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:12.859 Maureen Holliday: Yeah, yeah. That's a good idea, that is. Yes, a grant for their insurance, yes.

431 00:44:13.200 --> 00:44:22.809 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I find that one of the ways of getting Parish Online more widely viewed and used is to make sure that your local community organizations are using it.

432 00:44:23.160 --> 00:44:40.100 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that if there are a group of people out there tracking bees, or pollination, or woodland canopies, or whatever, make sure that they're all given access to the parish online, so they can keep those. Again, that provides the continuity that Andrew was talking about.

433 00:44:42.220 --> 00:44:47.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because people… either they're more or less interested in chasing greater spotted voles.

434 00:44:49.240 --> 00:44:49.990 Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

435 00:44:50.350 --> 00:44:52.360 Andrew Clegg: You almost… In Motok.

436 00:44:52.600 --> 00:44:53.909 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh my sweetie.

437 00:44:55.670 --> 00:44:59.299 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, there's some person down there who's always chasing phosphates.

438 00:44:59.560 --> 00:45:06.229 Andrew Clegg: Yeah, we do phosphates, but I don't… I don't chase phosphates on parish online, because I have a… I have my own arrangement.

439 00:45:06.600 --> 00:45:07.350 Andrew Clegg: Oh my gosh.

440 00:45:07.350 --> 00:45:07.969 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You couldn't bad.

441 00:45:07.970 --> 00:45:09.940 Andrew Clegg: use… I couldn't use it.

442 00:45:10.290 --> 00:45:14.179 Andrew Clegg: For, parish work, because the river

443 00:45:14.430 --> 00:45:21.230 Andrew Clegg: not only runs in Martok Parish, it runs in all the other parishes between… like Langport.

444 00:45:21.490 --> 00:45:21.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

445 00:45:21.890 --> 00:45:25.610 Andrew Clegg: So I can't do phosphate work in Langport

446 00:45:25.820 --> 00:45:32.490 Andrew Clegg: and publish it on Parish Online, because it's in Langport, not Martok.

447 00:45:32.490 --> 00:45:33.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

448 00:45:34.710 --> 00:45:36.659 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, you do the next map.

449 00:45:37.030 --> 00:45:37.700 Andrew Clegg: Hmm.

450 00:45:37.700 --> 00:45:38.529 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Fair enough.

451 00:45:39.690 --> 00:45:40.460 Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

452 00:45:40.460 --> 00:45:46.839 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, where were we? We're going through, sort of, areas of potential interest to Maureen.

453 00:45:50.280 --> 00:46:00.730 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm quite happy for people to pitch in and say, why don't you do this, or why don't you do that? So, I was showing you bookmarks, and I was showing you using it as an online filing system.

454 00:46:02.270 --> 00:46:06.280 Maureen Holliday: Just upload your documents there, like your insurance for the village hall, or something like that.

455 00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:09.539 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Absolutely, yes, that's where it's easily referenced.

456 00:46:09.660 --> 00:46:12.500 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And…

457 00:46:14.170 --> 00:46:26.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones: that was just one example of the things that you can do with it. If you put in… if I go through the layers that we've created here, so an obvious one is mowing contracts, who's cutting the grass?

458 00:46:26.010 --> 00:46:26.450 Maureen Holliday: Yes.

459 00:46:26.450 --> 00:46:28.149 Graham Stoddart-Stones: bit to grass are they doing?

460 00:46:28.150 --> 00:46:28.930 Maureen Holliday: And…

461 00:46:28.930 --> 00:46:39.349 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Sometimes you find that the grass is being cut on a per square meter basis, and there's a wonderful facility in Paris Online for measuring areas.

462 00:46:39.350 --> 00:46:40.899 Maureen Holliday: That would be interesting.

463 00:46:40.900 --> 00:46:43.480 Graham Stoddart-Stones: is really good. Well, it's actually automatic.

464 00:46:44.070 --> 00:46:52.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, for instance, if I… Went to our nature reserve, And… Turn that on.

465 00:46:53.820 --> 00:46:57.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: What have we got here? Anything? Maybe I could scroll out a bit.

466 00:46:59.620 --> 00:47:01.789 Graham Stoddart-Stones: To find it. I must turn off this one.

467 00:47:10.720 --> 00:47:12.750 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Lost the map.

468 00:47:14.420 --> 00:47:15.470 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Interesting.

469 00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:20.119 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Never give live demonstrations, they knock that into you all the time, don't they?

470 00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:28.409 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Have you gone… Right. So, if I turn on that layer again…

471 00:47:29.770 --> 00:47:35.639 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I go to the polygon that is the Nature Reserve. So if I click on that record.

472 00:47:35.850 --> 00:47:36.230 Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

473 00:47:36.230 --> 00:47:40.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You go into it, Then you'll discover, the whole thing.

474 00:47:41.220 --> 00:47:41.930 Maureen Holliday: -

475 00:47:41.930 --> 00:47:47.359 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it tells you here what the area is, so it's quite large. It's 25,000 square meters.

476 00:47:47.860 --> 00:47:48.480 Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

477 00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:54.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But it… that… it does the measurement for you. You don't have to. As long as you've outlined the area.

478 00:47:54.790 --> 00:48:00.469 Maureen Holliday: It'll tell you what the sizes are, all this sort of stuff, how far it is to walk around it, for instance.

479 00:48:00.750 --> 00:48:02.899 Maureen Holliday: Yeah. What about village mowing?

480 00:48:03.260 --> 00:48:03.900 Maureen Holliday: the.

481 00:48:03.900 --> 00:48:12.749 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, same thing, you, you, can highlight the areas… let me just turn that one off again. Here's the bits that we mow.

482 00:48:13.640 --> 00:48:20.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, we have different contractors for each bit, so they have different colors. And again, if you go and look at each one.

483 00:48:21.230 --> 00:48:24.660 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It'll tell you… How much?

484 00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:30.409 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the area is for mowing. So, if you've got a contract with a mower.

485 00:48:30.750 --> 00:48:34.999 Graham Stoddart-Stones: to do it. You know, he's doing it for 900 square meters.

486 00:48:36.130 --> 00:48:40.439 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or much less, in this case, you know, number 2 is obviously a much smaller one.

487 00:48:42.580 --> 00:48:44.909 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that is number 2.

488 00:48:45.820 --> 00:48:55.980 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's a mere 384 square meters, but again, really useful stuff to have at your fingertips without you having to calculate it. It's already done for you by the system.

489 00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:06.520 Maureen Holliday: But you haven't got any verges along the streets, have you? We've got… we're a village, and so we've got the small green areas, and then we've got verges along the sides of the roads.

490 00:49:06.520 --> 00:49:10.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, we, we, we, we have a linksman that the parish.

491 00:49:10.890 --> 00:49:11.830 Maureen Holliday: Oh, yeah.

492 00:49:11.830 --> 00:49:15.839 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So his time, if it's spent time doing verges, then he's doing verges, it's not…

493 00:49:16.030 --> 00:49:16.470 Maureen Holliday: Mmm.

494 00:49:16.470 --> 00:49:22.799 Graham Stoddart-Stones: referencing it. So, I think it would only switch to a verge if you had an outside contractor doing the work.

495 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:26.040 Maureen Holliday: Yeah, well, we do. Yeah, yours is a lengthsman, yeah.

496 00:49:26.040 --> 00:49:33.279 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, so you can do verges. I mean, it's actually quite quick and very useful to set up. Yeah.

497 00:49:33.650 --> 00:49:36.140 Maureen Holliday: How's that? How's that set up, then?

498 00:49:36.140 --> 00:49:40.540 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, you were doing a boundary last year, last week.

499 00:49:40.930 --> 00:49:41.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones: lying.

500 00:49:41.700 --> 00:49:42.300 Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

501 00:49:42.300 --> 00:49:45.719 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the verges you would set up as what's called a polygon.

502 00:49:46.870 --> 00:49:49.830 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or a dead parrot, as my math tutor used to insist.

503 00:49:52.650 --> 00:49:58.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if you haven't done those, yet, let's just create one. I think I've got a test one down here.

504 00:50:03.220 --> 00:50:07.100 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, I've turned on the polygon layer, which means I can create one.

505 00:50:07.100 --> 00:50:07.790 Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

506 00:50:07.790 --> 00:50:11.099 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which would be adding a new feature. So let's just say…

507 00:50:11.100 --> 00:50:12.030 Maureen Holliday: I'll call you back.

508 00:50:13.180 --> 00:50:15.380 Maureen Holliday: Okay, sorry, something called… yes, what are you saying?

509 00:50:15.380 --> 00:50:19.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's right. So, if we're going to do verges, that's…

510 00:50:20.420 --> 00:50:27.249 Graham Stoddart-Stones: zoom in a little. Yeah, there's a verge. There's a nice verge. So you could say, what is the size of this?

511 00:50:27.750 --> 00:50:30.319 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's a polygon, so it's a new feature.

512 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:35.020 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you're going to call it a…

513 00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:44.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, not such a verdure, perhaps, as a test.

514 00:50:46.710 --> 00:50:50.309 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then… You would start in one top corner.

515 00:50:51.230 --> 00:50:55.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Did, last week, did they tell you about Quick and Dirty?

516 00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:57.300 Maureen Holliday: No, I don't think.

517 00:50:57.300 --> 00:51:08.679 Graham Stoddart-Stones: All right, so John is a real advocate of this. So, when you've got fine details like this, if you try and create those as you're doing the initial,

518 00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:21.889 Graham Stoddart-Stones: area, I guarantee you that at some point, something will slip. The phone will ring, your finger will jerk, and the whole leg up gets lost. So, I always advocate a quick and dirty route thing, so you just zoom down.

519 00:51:22.160 --> 00:51:28.799 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The length of the verge, and you might say, we're going to change direction there a little bit, and we're going to change direction…

520 00:51:29.950 --> 00:51:32.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, God, it goes on, doesn't it?

521 00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:36.799 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But very approximate.

522 00:51:37.010 --> 00:51:37.740 Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

523 00:51:38.410 --> 00:51:41.759 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Golly, who knew there was so much to decide? Let's just stop for argument's sake today.

524 00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:42.220 Maureen Holliday: Yes.

525 00:51:42.220 --> 00:51:43.240 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.

526 00:51:43.540 --> 00:51:45.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So then, when you go back.

527 00:51:45.620 --> 00:51:50.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Again, just do the quick and dirty bit. You can go to there, you can go to there.

528 00:51:50.260 --> 00:51:53.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you can zoom up to there.

529 00:51:53.520 --> 00:51:58.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And so I'm just trying to get things done with the map here. Again, just do it quick.

530 00:51:58.440 --> 00:51:59.130 Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

531 00:51:59.130 --> 00:52:03.899 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then, having finished.

532 00:52:05.220 --> 00:52:11.949 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You save it, And it'll turn a nice red color to show that it's now safely in the system.

533 00:52:12.550 --> 00:52:13.420 Graham Stoddart-Stones: He said.

534 00:52:13.620 --> 00:52:14.789 Maureen Holliday: Yeah, it's not turning red.

535 00:52:14.790 --> 00:52:15.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, we've only lost an egg.

536 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:16.520 Maureen Holliday: I've got the name.

537 00:52:16.520 --> 00:52:21.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I thought, well, what happened to… oh, no, that's the old one. Sorry, the new one, it has saved it.

538 00:52:21.560 --> 00:52:22.170 Maureen Holliday: to the street.

539 00:52:22.170 --> 00:52:22.750 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Inc.

540 00:52:23.200 --> 00:52:27.819 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, let's just give it a quick, re…

541 00:52:28.060 --> 00:52:31.750 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Boot to say, have you really saved it, or have you really lost it?

542 00:52:33.230 --> 00:52:35.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Turn on the layer again.

543 00:52:35.790 --> 00:52:39.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which was Maureen's Tesla, wasn't it?

544 00:52:44.050 --> 00:52:46.100 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hess moment. No, not that one.

545 00:52:47.810 --> 00:52:50.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We didn't save it. How miserable is that?

546 00:52:50.140 --> 00:52:51.289 Maureen Holliday: I'll just do a little bit.

547 00:52:51.290 --> 00:52:54.429 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Actually, no, I think you must have been there, that's how I look at the table view.

548 00:52:56.090 --> 00:52:59.119 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It didn't have a name, isn't it, Lester Day?

549 00:52:59.120 --> 00:52:59.930 Maureen Holliday: Mmm.

550 00:52:59.930 --> 00:53:03.959 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, so somehow I didn't get a name. I wonder why. I thought we actually put one in.

551 00:53:04.120 --> 00:53:04.980 Maureen Holliday: Yeah, I'll give you.

552 00:53:04.980 --> 00:53:06.590 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Will they put in Maureen?

553 00:53:06.900 --> 00:53:09.139 Maureen Holliday: I think you put that in the top box, and then…

554 00:53:09.140 --> 00:53:10.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, well, that was the namebook.

555 00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:11.960 Maureen Holliday: Right, okay.

556 00:53:12.500 --> 00:53:13.090 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But…

557 00:53:19.140 --> 00:53:22.769 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then just… this is the contractor… oh, it's under construction.

558 00:53:23.040 --> 00:53:25.820 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, so if you now view it on the map.

559 00:53:26.780 --> 00:53:29.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It should be… what do we do?

560 00:53:29.810 --> 00:53:30.600 Maureen Holliday: Shut it down.

561 00:53:31.070 --> 00:53:32.529 Maureen Holliday: Hasn't saved, does it?

562 00:53:32.590 --> 00:53:33.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It hasn't.

563 00:53:33.910 --> 00:53:38.179 Maureen Holliday: No, because there's the… it's just in the… just below the middle now.

564 00:53:38.180 --> 00:53:40.239 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It was there, wasn't it? That was it there.

565 00:53:40.240 --> 00:53:41.030 Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

566 00:53:41.030 --> 00:53:41.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones: dating.

567 00:53:41.770 --> 00:53:44.669 Maureen Holliday: Well, that's… It's gone into a sulk.

568 00:53:44.830 --> 00:53:48.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let's try it again.

569 00:53:49.190 --> 00:53:51.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So this time, we'll put a name in.

570 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:54.980 john Roberts: Pick an easier shake, Graham.

571 00:53:55.380 --> 00:53:56.240 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do you do what?

572 00:53:56.680 --> 00:53:58.579 john Roberts: I said, pick an easiest shape.

573 00:53:58.760 --> 00:53:59.490 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh…

574 00:53:59.490 --> 00:54:02.179 Maureen Holliday: It doesn't matter what you do, just fine.

575 00:54:02.180 --> 00:54:03.149 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do that, yep.

576 00:54:10.540 --> 00:54:12.180 Maureen Holliday: Alright, so that's the quick one.

577 00:54:12.530 --> 00:54:15.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, except it's lost the name.

578 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.220 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I find that fascinating. I've got no idea how that happened.

579 00:54:19.390 --> 00:54:21.010 Maureen Holliday: Well, that's probably what happened last time.

580 00:54:21.010 --> 00:54:21.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Mmm.

581 00:54:27.130 --> 00:54:30.549 Maureen Holliday: It's, it's saying, oh, no, not her again.

582 00:54:30.550 --> 00:54:33.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, let's do the say this time.

583 00:54:33.550 --> 00:54:34.500 Maureen Holliday: Oh, he's gone again!

584 00:54:34.500 --> 00:54:38.800 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, no, I think it's gone on to the new record. I hope it has.

585 00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:41.730 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let's see what we've got here.

586 00:54:47.510 --> 00:54:49.710 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, it hasn't. It is very odd.

587 00:54:49.890 --> 00:54:50.720 Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

588 00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:54.400 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I don't know what it is about you, Maureen, but you're obviously…

589 00:54:55.710 --> 00:54:59.009 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The point I was trying to make is that…

590 00:54:59.430 --> 00:55:03.059 Maureen Holliday: When you put those rough lines in, though, which is the exact…

591 00:55:03.060 --> 00:55:05.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then you correct them, alright?

592 00:55:05.020 --> 00:55:06.569 john Roberts: me to give it a go, Graham?

593 00:55:06.570 --> 00:55:10.250 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You are much more sensible than I am. Yes, please, John, by all means.

594 00:55:10.690 --> 00:55:11.320 john Roberts: Right.

595 00:55:11.700 --> 00:55:13.510 john Roberts: First of all, I've got to remember how to share.

596 00:55:20.640 --> 00:55:25.410 Andrew Clegg: It's an interesting problem, that, though, while John's doing that, .

597 00:55:25.970 --> 00:55:27.320 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Get a registered nur.

598 00:55:28.220 --> 00:55:30.549 john Roberts: It did register in the.

599 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:40.729 Graham Stoddart-Stones: In the table view. In the table view. Yes, wasn't that weird? And that name was a required field, so it shouldn't have been able to save it. That's a required field.

600 00:55:40.730 --> 00:55:41.389 Andrew Clegg: If it isn't…

601 00:55:42.180 --> 00:55:46.290 john Roberts: Can I assume you're looking at… My parish online map.

602 00:55:46.290 --> 00:55:47.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, yes, we can see it.

603 00:55:47.650 --> 00:55:48.190 john Roberts: Okay.

604 00:55:52.270 --> 00:55:52.889 Maureen Holliday: I'm gonna eat it.

605 00:55:52.890 --> 00:55:56.420 john Roberts: Take an easy one, which is this garden there.

606 00:55:56.420 --> 00:55:58.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, be wise.

607 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:03.940 Maureen Holliday: Add feature.

608 00:56:03.940 --> 00:56:07.800 john Roberts: Basically, what Graham was talking about was… very quickly.

609 00:56:10.040 --> 00:56:11.709 john Roberts: I deliberately missed that one.

610 00:56:13.860 --> 00:56:17.750 john Roberts: So you've got a very… Rough polygon there.

611 00:56:17.750 --> 00:56:18.560 Maureen Holliday: Yes.

612 00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:21.099 john Roberts: And I'll just save it as it is.

613 00:56:23.650 --> 00:56:27.349 john Roberts: Now, if I come out of there, if I…

614 00:56:30.780 --> 00:56:32.300 john Roberts: I've got Graham's disease.

615 00:56:32.300 --> 00:56:36.839 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, you have to turn the layer back on, or maybe it's Friday afternoon, they're doing something. There you go.

616 00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:39.330 john Roberts: If I then… if I then click on the…

617 00:56:40.080 --> 00:56:42.640 john Roberts: You miss it. If I click on the pencil.

618 00:56:42.640 --> 00:56:43.490 Maureen Holliday: Yes.

619 00:56:44.670 --> 00:56:46.240 john Roberts: It highlights the polygon.

620 00:56:47.210 --> 00:56:48.610 john Roberts: I can then zoom in.

621 00:56:51.260 --> 00:56:51.850 john Roberts: Sit.

622 00:56:51.850 --> 00:56:52.530 Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

623 00:56:53.090 --> 00:56:55.449 john Roberts: And start moving it around.

624 00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:58.560 john Roberts: To get it more accurate.

625 00:56:58.770 --> 00:56:59.450 Maureen Holliday: Right.

626 00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:04.670 john Roberts: And you can do that, and you can pick a point halfway along a line.

627 00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:07.989 john Roberts: Doesn't have to be on a corner.

628 00:57:20.820 --> 00:57:22.649 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That was pretty good drawing, huh?

629 00:57:32.640 --> 00:57:38.570 john Roberts: You can see there, Because it's not a straight line, so I'll pick it up at that point.

630 00:57:39.710 --> 00:57:40.430 Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

631 00:57:41.370 --> 00:57:45.060 john Roberts: And just keep moving it until I'm happy it's where I want it.

632 00:57:45.260 --> 00:57:45.840 Maureen Holliday: You're right.

633 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:47.810 john Roberts: And then all you do is press save.

634 00:57:48.510 --> 00:57:51.869 Maureen Holliday: Right, so basically you do it roughly, and save it, and then you perfect.

635 00:57:51.870 --> 00:57:58.959 john Roberts: Do it, yeah, do it roughly and save it. I can leave that there.

636 00:57:59.850 --> 00:58:01.899 john Roberts: Graham probably knows where I'm going now.

637 00:58:05.200 --> 00:58:07.479 john Roberts: Because if I could come out to there…

638 00:58:08.820 --> 00:58:12.380 john Roberts: Because where this came from is we actually mapped the village.

639 00:58:25.080 --> 00:58:28.389 Maureen Holliday: Oh, I see. Right, yeah, so the whole of the village is mapped.

640 00:58:28.390 --> 00:58:37.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, it's very useful if you're going to do distribution, if you're going to do newsletter distribution, you say, well, you guys do this particular section, and you guys can do that section.

641 00:58:37.520 --> 00:58:40.469 john Roberts: Basically, we map the whole village street by street.

642 00:58:40.470 --> 00:58:41.250 Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

643 00:58:44.680 --> 00:58:47.640 Maureen Holliday: And when you map it, does it give the number of properties?

644 00:58:48.330 --> 00:58:49.390 john Roberts: It will do.

645 00:58:49.890 --> 00:58:55.289 john Roberts: If you go into data extract, but where we had all these interlocating gardens.

646 00:58:55.290 --> 00:58:55.720 Maureen Holliday: We knew.

647 00:58:55.720 --> 00:58:59.150 john Roberts: needed to know Who was whom, really?

648 00:58:59.150 --> 00:58:59.510 Maureen Holliday: Thanks.

649 00:58:59.510 --> 00:59:00.230 john Roberts: lately.

650 00:59:00.230 --> 00:59:00.660 Maureen Holliday: Yes.

651 00:59:00.660 --> 00:59:04.970 john Roberts: So we just did it street by street, one side of the street, then the other.

652 00:59:05.370 --> 00:59:07.950 john Roberts: And then you could see how they all interlinked.

653 00:59:09.380 --> 00:59:11.569 john Roberts: It's the problem with a medieval village.

654 00:59:13.540 --> 00:59:15.349 john Roberts: But that's all polygons.

655 00:59:15.780 --> 00:59:17.150 Maureen Holliday: Right, okay.

656 00:59:17.150 --> 00:59:23.029 john Roberts: And, if we… they'll go in a minute when we turn off. If I go back to…

657 00:59:23.670 --> 00:59:27.030 john Roberts: The test polygon, or, say, this one.

658 00:59:28.820 --> 00:59:29.860 john Roberts: style.

659 00:59:31.290 --> 00:59:33.209 john Roberts: You can see I've given it a color.

660 00:59:34.220 --> 00:59:36.570 john Roberts: I've given it a pattern, diagonal.

661 00:59:37.340 --> 00:59:38.869 Maureen Holliday: And the line color.

662 00:59:39.140 --> 00:59:39.950 Maureen Holliday: Right.

663 00:59:40.670 --> 00:59:41.520 john Roberts: So…

664 00:59:42.040 --> 00:59:49.509 john Roberts: It made it easier to differentiate between each of these by giving them the different shading and different colors.

665 00:59:49.510 --> 00:59:52.819 Maureen Holliday: Yes. What's the difference between the purple and the pink, then?

666 00:59:54.640 --> 00:59:55.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: there.

667 00:59:55.370 --> 00:59:56.910 john Roberts: Absolutely nothing.

668 00:59:57.080 --> 01:00:02.490 john Roberts: There's one thing you have to bear in mind, Maureen, is, like Andrew, I'm colorblind.

669 01:00:02.490 --> 01:00:05.399 Maureen Holliday: Oh, gosh!

670 01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.129 john Roberts: So, all I did was pick colours I could…

671 01:00:08.250 --> 01:00:11.510 john Roberts: Differentiate from one area to another.

672 01:00:11.970 --> 01:00:13.419 Maureen Holliday: Yeah, the color's the color.

673 01:00:13.420 --> 01:00:19.210 john Roberts: mean, actually, nothing. It just… I can look at that map and say, well, that is one street, and that is another street.

674 01:00:19.450 --> 01:00:27.230 Maureen Holliday: Right. But in the middle of that purple and that pink, you've got two square… a rectangle and a square in a yellow. Does that mean that nobody owns it?

675 01:00:27.680 --> 01:00:29.500 john Roberts: Yeah, or, down here.

676 01:00:29.500 --> 01:00:30.200 Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

677 01:00:30.620 --> 01:00:31.270 john Roberts: Yeah.

678 01:00:31.650 --> 01:00:32.130 Maureen Holliday: Nobody is.

679 01:00:32.130 --> 01:00:34.840 john Roberts: We don't know… we don't know the owners of those yet.

680 01:00:35.030 --> 01:00:37.190 Maureen Holliday: Hmm. Interesting.

681 01:00:37.670 --> 01:00:41.499 Maureen Holliday: Because this is all what's actually registered on the land registry.

682 01:00:41.500 --> 01:00:44.949 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are they, I was gonna say, are they separate cadacheal parcels, John?

683 01:00:45.230 --> 01:00:52.299 john Roberts: No. This is just purely… was me mapping the buildings and the gardens on each street.

684 01:00:52.540 --> 01:00:56.730 john Roberts: Right. Nothing to do with cadastro parcels, or land registry, or anything else.

685 01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:03.999 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, I just wondered if you turned on the cadastro parcels, do they show that those two separate squares are owned by anybody here?

686 01:01:08.270 --> 01:01:09.560 Maureen Holliday: And what's that in?

687 01:01:09.560 --> 01:01:11.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's on the land registry.

688 01:01:11.080 --> 01:01:13.050 john Roberts: No, it's land registry.

689 01:01:13.050 --> 01:01:14.120 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There you go.

690 01:01:16.500 --> 01:01:18.259 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There you go. They're completely…

691 01:01:18.260 --> 01:01:20.339 john Roberts: Yeah, they are registered, but they're not.

692 01:01:20.340 --> 01:01:20.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

693 01:01:21.040 --> 01:01:25.840 john Roberts: They're not connected to either of the streets, so therefore they weren't mapped on this particular thing.

694 01:01:26.640 --> 01:01:31.409 Maureen Holliday: Gosh, so how do… if they… those properties don't own it, how do they get to it?

695 01:01:31.410 --> 01:01:31.780 john Roberts: Yeah.

696 01:01:31.780 --> 01:01:32.290 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Didn'.

697 01:01:32.290 --> 01:01:34.089 john Roberts: This was what started it, couldn't it?

698 01:01:36.090 --> 01:01:41.389 Maureen Holliday: I mean, we've got an old village too, and there's land everywhere, and you think, who owns that?

699 01:01:41.390 --> 01:01:44.810 john Roberts: You see, you've got these plots here.

700 01:01:44.810 --> 01:01:45.520 Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

701 01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:49.340 john Roberts: For they're the gardens for these cottages.

702 01:01:49.710 --> 01:01:54.159 Maureen Holliday: Yeah, that's not unusual. That isn't unusual, because they were like allotments, weren't they?

703 01:01:54.160 --> 01:01:56.849 john Roberts: Yeah, and this is what started it, really.

704 01:01:57.290 --> 01:02:06.589 john Roberts: But yeah, that is all, polygons, and they're given a different color, different shading, just so that they differentiate between each other.

705 01:02:06.850 --> 01:02:08.850 Maureen Holliday: Alright, that's very interesting. Hmm.

706 01:02:08.850 --> 01:02:09.570 john Roberts: Okay.

707 01:02:09.830 --> 01:02:11.239 Maureen Holliday: Yeah, thank you.

708 01:02:11.450 --> 01:02:14.000 Maureen Holliday: I have learnt something today.

709 01:02:14.290 --> 01:02:14.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.

710 01:02:15.120 --> 01:02:16.560 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nicely done, John.

711 01:02:17.260 --> 01:02:22.570 Maureen Holliday: I think what I've got to do is set myself a project of mapping the village, and .

712 01:02:23.460 --> 01:02:27.240 john Roberts: The easiest way to set all that back to zero, Maureen, is.

713 01:02:27.240 --> 01:02:27.620 Maureen Holliday: to…

714 01:02:28.200 --> 01:02:30.790 john Roberts: Come out of parish online altogether.

715 01:02:31.010 --> 01:02:34.150 john Roberts: And go back into it, and it sets everything back to zero.

716 01:02:34.980 --> 01:02:35.590 Maureen Holliday: Oh, right.

717 01:02:35.590 --> 01:02:39.080 john Roberts: Graham's got another way of doing it, but that's my quick way.

718 01:02:42.030 --> 01:02:45.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because that's… you're not saving it, so…

719 01:02:45.570 --> 01:02:51.100 john Roberts: No, I wasn't saving it. When you start Parrish Online, it will always come up with the default

720 01:02:51.230 --> 01:02:52.820 john Roberts: the default map.

721 01:02:52.820 --> 01:02:53.600 Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

722 01:02:54.050 --> 01:02:56.819 john Roberts: And the parish boundaries, they're there.

723 01:02:57.310 --> 01:03:01.229 john Roberts: And anything you use within that, unless you save it.

724 01:03:01.720 --> 01:03:07.620 john Roberts: as, like, I did John's Polygon, that will disappear when you close Parish Online now.

725 01:03:08.020 --> 01:03:13.070 Maureen Holliday: Right, okay. Understandable, yeah. That's very interesting, thank you.

726 01:03:14.250 --> 01:03:15.330 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Our pleasure.

727 01:03:15.950 --> 01:03:22.419 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm in grave danger of being eaten alive by a Labrador that thinks it's 3 o'clock, and therefore he should be on his.

728 01:03:22.420 --> 01:03:25.039 Maureen Holliday: Yes, I think I've had enough today.

729 01:03:25.040 --> 01:03:28.379 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I was going to say, if nobody else has anything that they wish to cover.

730 01:03:28.590 --> 01:03:33.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Thank you all for sharing. Okay. And we'll see you again next time.

731 01:03:33.580 --> 01:03:34.270 Maureen Holliday: Thank you.

732 01:03:34.270 --> 01:03:37.020 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Take care, have a good weekend. Bye-bye. Bye.