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# 251121 - 21Nov25 session 25-47

Covering facilities within Parish Online:  Live Feeds (traffic), Parish Record, Carbon Calculator, Council Statistics, Importing data, Local Plans and Housing, Mowing Contracts, Area Designation

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### Video Timeline (min:secs):

00:00 05:35 Introductory Banter

05:35 - 12:45 Facilities within Parish Online - Live Feeds, Parish Record, Carbon Calculater, Local Council Statistics form

12:45 - 13:36 Banter

13:36 - 22:07 Importing mapping data into Parish Online from District Councils

22:07 - 28:45 Local Plans and Housing

28:45 - 29:50 Banter

29:50 - 36:25 Using Parish Online as an online filing system

36:25 - 40:37 Banter - councils and volunteer groups

40:37 - 58:29(end) Mowing Contracts and Area Designation

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### Presentation:

No separate formal presentation this week

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### Meeting Summary:

Nov 21, 2025 01:54 PM London ID: 897 5877 7706

### Quick recap

The meeting focused on introducing Maureen to Parish Online's capabilities, including its traffic monitoring features and data management tools, with Graham providing demonstrations of various functions. David sought guidance on importing Oxford's Local Plan data into the system, leading to a discussion about data import processes and challenges in coordinating between different council departments. The group explored various aspects of Parish Online usage, including mapping capabilities, community organization integration, and recent government changes affecting local planning authorities, while addressing practical concerns about data access and maintenance.

### Next steps

* [David: Contact Oxford City Council's Customer Satisfaction/Client Relationships Manager to identify the correct person who can provide the Oxford Local Plan 2036 GIS data for import into Parish Online](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=qeDYIUNcR5ya8w8I%2BXs2bw%3D%3D\&stepId=77ca536d-c6ea-11f0-bf18-96bc6077d9ec)
* [David: Work with the identified council contact to provide Geosphere with the data in shapefile or CSV format for importing into Parish Online](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=qeDYIUNcR5ya8w8I%2BXs2bw%3D%3D\&stepId=77ca5ad9-c6ea-11f0-bb98-96bc6077d9ec)
* [Maureen: Set herself a project of mapping her village using Parish Online to practice the polygon creation techniques demonstrated](https://us02tasks.zoom.us/?meetingId=qeDYIUNcR5ya8w8I%2BXs2bw%3D%3D\&stepId=77ca5e1b-c6ea-11f0-8fec-96bc6077d9ec)

### Summary

#### System Capabilities and Weather Discussion

Maureen, who is new to the system, attended the conversation to learn more about its capabilities, particularly for finding property owners and land information. Graham and John discussed the weather conditions in Somerset, noting that while there was some localized flooding, it was not severe. Maureen expressed interest in exploring the system further, mentioning that she had not yet used it for plotting village assets.

#### Parish Online Traffic Monitoring Demo

Graham demonstrated Parish Online features to Maureen, including the Live Feeds traffic monitoring tool which shows real-time road conditions using color coding, and explained how to access parish boundary information and extract data for specific areas. The discussion revealed that while the color legend for traffic conditions wasn't working for John, the system generally uses green for good flow and brown/red for congestion, with delays being detected by monitoring phone speeds along major roads.

#### Parish Online Features Overview

Graham explained the features of Parish Online, highlighting its carbon calculator, footprint report, and council statistics questionnaire. He noted that the data is historical, up to 2 years old, and mentioned that funding for updates had resumed. Maureen expressed interest in using the tool to monitor traffic changes due to a new road. David joined the call with a specific question but agreed to address it after the introduction.

#### Oxford Local Plan Data Access

David sought guidance on importing an Arctis map of Oxford's Local Plan 2036 into Parish Online. Graham explained that the help desk could assist with importing data, but users need to provide GIS files like shapefiles or CSVs. David mentioned challenges in contacting the right person in Oxford City to obtain the map data, as different departments seemed uncoordinated. Graham advised David to approach a department's customer satisfaction or client responsiveness team, who might have the authority to facilitate communication between departments.

#### Geosphere Data Access Strategies

David and Graham discussed the process of accessing and importing data from Geosphere, noting that Geosphere offers their services at no charge and can handle the work quickly. Graham advised David to contact the client satisfaction or customer complaints department to obtain the necessary data, as these individuals often have the authority to coordinate across silos. They also discussed the possibility of using government legislation as a "nuclear option" to compel councils to provide information, though Graham noted this had not yet been necessary in their experience. David inquired about exporting data from an interactive map for use in GSV, and Graham confirmed that CSV or shapefile formats would be suitable, clarifying that British National Grid format is used for Geosphere's data.

#### Oxford's Local Plan Challenges

David and Graham discussed the challenges of aligning local plans with government requirements, noting that Oxford's plan was rejected due to a failure to cooperate with neighboring districts. They highlighted the importance of having a permanent link to the approved local plan in Paris Online and mentioned that Oxford is developing a new plan to meet government housing targets. David also shared that Oxford Medium Super Output Area 0118 would receive up to £20 million annually for central government-approved projects through a neighborhood board yet to be established, with some uncertainty about how the board should be set up.

#### Government Housing Development Policy Changes

The group discussed the status of local planning authorities and recent government changes to housing development approvals. Maureen shared news about new government policies that will give default approval for house building near train stations and reduce the role of parish councils in objecting to developments. John explained a £50 charge from Parish Online for loading certain types of mapping data, though local authority data remains free. The discussion also touched on a specific case where the government overruled a local council's rejection of a development in Froome.

#### Parish Online Bookmark System Demo

Graham demonstrated Parish Online's bookmark system to Maureen, showing how it can store and organize important village hall information such as Wi-Fi passwords and maintenance details. Andrew pointed out that the main issue with Parish Online is that people aren't aware the data is stored there, so they don't think to check it for information.

#### Parish Online Challenges and Solutions

The group discussed challenges with Parish Online usage, particularly in small parishes where there's high turnover of council members. They explored how volunteer groups can maintain continuity while avoiding insurance liability issues by operating independently with their own insurance coverage, as demonstrated by John's parish which supports autonomous groups like Stoic Green Spaces and Stowe Shuttle. Graham suggested that making Parish Online accessible to community organizations could increase its adoption, noting that younger parish councils tend to be more tech-savvy and interested in using the platform.

#### Parish Online Mapping Demonstration

Graham demonstrated how to use Parish Online to map and measure areas, including mowing contracts and verges, using both line and polygon shapes. Maureen learned how to create rough outlines first and then refine them, with John showing how to save and edit the maps. They discussed using the system for village mapping and distribution purposes, with John explaining how they mapped their medieval village street by street to track interlinking gardens.

#### Parish Online Mapping Discussion

John explained that his color mapping in Parish Online had no bearing on land ownership, as it was simply a tool to differentiate between buildings and gardens. Maureen learned that the mapped properties were registered but not connected to the streets, leading to questions about access. Graham inquired about cadastro parcels, confirming they were separate from the mapped areas. Maureen expressed interest in mapping the village and was advised by John to reset Parish Online to its default settings to start anew.

***

### Chat:

00:40:24 David Newman: 3 workers - we are lucky to hove 0.4 of a person for a parish with 5000 households.\
00:45:31 David Newman: When we ask our insurers, they are often quite helpful.

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### Audio-Transcript:

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Maureen Holliday: Afternoon!

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good day! A voice from… hello, Maureen, welcome!

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Maureen Holliday: Well, here I am, goodness me! This is a treat.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: a gun for punishment, if ever I met one.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So it looks like you've got lots of sunshine up by you.

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Maureen Holliday: Oh, yes, but it's been really cold. I think it was about minus 3 plus last night, so…

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Maureen Holliday: Let's see.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes. Ice on the roads this morning?

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Maureen Holliday: I don't know, I don't get up that early now. I'm glad I don't have to defrost a car anymore.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I always enjoyed telling the story of…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: a real estate salesman that we had in the States when we lived there, and we were trying to sell our house and having absolutely no success whatsoever.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And so, someone said, you better change your estate agent, so we tried a new guy.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And he turned up the first day looking as if he'd just that second got out of the shower. His hair was wet, and his clothes sort of had patches on them, so he hadn't had time to dry, and that sort of thing. So we thought, well, that must be a fine job, that he doesn't need to get up until midday, then comes out to his appointments.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And every time we saw him thereafter, it was exactly the same. He'd always looked… he'd just come out of the shower. And, on the other hand, he did a great job of selling the house, so we were delighted.

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Maureen Holliday: Gosh.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it's a good job you haven't arrived with your hair being dried, as we look at you, Maureen, that did that. That's someone else who doesn't need to get up until the last minute.

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Maureen Holliday: Yes, yes. How many are you expecting today?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, as a matter of fact,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: The only person outside the usual suspects is going to be yourself.

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Maureen Holliday: Oh, right, okay.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And in fact, it's very unusual, the usual suspects aren't here by now, so… Still, yeah. Never mind, that means you've got unadulterated, attention. Oh, here comes John, good.

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Maureen Holliday: Well, I'm very much a beginner. I like to watch these. I haven't watched any recordings, but I'm very much a beginner on it, so… but I have found it very useful for sort of… for finding owners of houses.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, good.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that's amazing. Hi, John!

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john Roberts: Good afternoon.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: How's sunny Somerset today?

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john Roberts: Cold?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I, I went to a reunion in London on Monday, and

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: somebody there who'd just come down from Scotland said, oh, he said, I thought you were going to be very late getting here because of all the floods. And I said, I don't live in Somerset anymore, I live on the other way. Oh, he said, well, Somerset must be underwater. And another guy who just arrived from Taunton said.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's completely dry on the levels.

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Maureen Holliday: Oh,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: He said all the water's a bit further north, in sort of South Wales and possibly North Somerset, I don't know, but…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Anybody underwater there?

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john Roberts: No, there was one day when we had a tremendous amount of rain, but.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right away.

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john Roberts: Yeah, localised flooding.

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john Roberts: But that was all. Nothing, nothing really that lasted more than a few hours.

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Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, Maureen's had to get her Eskimo suit on, because it's minus 3 degrees up there.

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Maureen Holliday: Yeah, last night it was minus 3.

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john Roberts: Oh, damn.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

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Maureen Holliday: But, well, we need that sort of thing occasionally. Unfortunately, the poor dahlias are still in the pots outside. They're shimmering.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's… that's tough, yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, did you arrive at any specific questions, Maureen, that you'd like us to address today?

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Maureen Holliday: I just hope to learn. You know, as I say, I'm a complete beginner, and apart from using it to find the owners of houses, who owns which bit of land in the parish, I haven't really used it until last week.

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Maureen Holliday: So when you… when I watch you, and you're talking all this lingo, I'm thinking, hmm… I need to watch more of the recordings.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, yes, they… we try and break them down so that we can… you can find out what was discussed that particular day.

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Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But… So, last week, we were doing tree surveys with you.

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Maureen Holliday: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that led into boundaries around churchyards and so forth.

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Maureen Holliday: And I draw a line, yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, but…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Has that shoved other ideas into your head of, if only I knew how to do that, I'd be doing it?

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Maureen Holliday: No, not really. I'm more into, I suppose, really, discovering it, you know, having discovered you can do that, discovering what else you can do with it. I mean, I haven't even got round to plotting the assets in the village yet,

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Maureen Holliday: No, I haven't done any of that. As I say, I'm a complete beginner, and I keep trying to find time, and I think, I wish… there's actually nothing better than a training session, as we used to have a good old-fashioned training session. Yeah, I just thought I would go to… where? There.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Not that one, certainly.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, I was right in the middle of that, wasn't I?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Thought I would just start off in Paris Online to show you a few things that you may not have noticed, but are at times very useful.

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Maureen Holliday: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, starting at the top, the very top line here is live feeds, which refers to the roads.

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Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I think that's fantastic. So if we find a sort of nearby major road, and we just happen to have one there, and we turn on the live feed.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It tells you straight away where there are any delays, so you can see that getting off of the roundabouts.

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Maureen Holliday: Hell yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: A bit of a backlog coming on, or a bit of a backlog going off.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And there's a little, obviously, a little thumping there, but for a major road, the A303 is in remarkably good shape at the moment.

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Maureen Holliday: Mmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There we go, there's the usual one there, actually.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But, so, if you have roads around you that are prone to being,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: backed up at times. You could find out, just what the state is at any given part of the day or night.

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Maureen Holliday: So, looking at that, but how can you… can you then investigate what the problem is? Is it… No, no, okay.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, no, you just see where the delays are, and we think, we're not sure, but we think what they're doing is they're monitoring the number of cell phones.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That are going along, and if their cell phones aren't traveling at 60 miles an hour, then clearly there's a backup.

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Maureen Holliday: Really?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, so I think it's really… I think it's really live, so you're really arguing… seeing the roads as they are at the moment. So, I just mentioned it to you as it's the first item on the list, and you may not have spotted it.

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Maureen Holliday: But I think it's a remarkable piece of kit. Yes!

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Maureen Holliday: The medium they're using is interesting, too.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Y-yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I think you… if you look into… if you've got color coding here, which we've got reds and greens and oranges, then you can go up to View Legend.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that will tell you what the various codes mean, except if I turn off the…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, I've turned it off, haven't I? Sorry. That is on.

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john Roberts: The legend doesn't seem to come up, Graham.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, what, not ever, or just on this one?

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john Roberts: No, just… just on this live…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, right.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I assume that it makes sense that the more green it is, the better flowing it is, and the more brown and red it is. I have no idea what that color means.

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Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But… So while I'm on it,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Maureen, the blue lines, the boundary lines, to your parish.

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Maureen Holliday: Yep.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: They are on by default, but it's the only layer alongside the map itself, which is on by default, and you can always turn them off. But what's useful about them is, is that if you click anywhere in that area.

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Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You bring up what is called the parish record.

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Maureen Holliday: Oh, yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And this is a very useful thing, because if you've got that selected, and then you do, say, a data extract, it will only give you the details for your parish. So if you want to know how many buildings there are in your parish, for instance…

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Maureen Holliday: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You can click on here, and then go up to the Extract Data column, which is that one, and then extract all the… from the address space. It'll tell you exactly how many buildings you've got in your parish.

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Maureen Holliday: Alright.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: The other thing that this is good for, and not everyone realizes it, is that there is a carbon calculator here.

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Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, if you are, or your parish council are interested in CO2 and the rest of it, then this is a really good device.

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Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it's got an extremely good,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Help system it to tell you how to use it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which, funny enough…

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Maureen Holliday: You need help to get it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, using impact tells you, but in particular, I sort of like to mention to people that the footprint Report is actually a very useful thing to have, so it's well worth downloading the footprint Report just to see what's going on in your village.

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Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: your parish. And the other thing is that there are two ways of looking at this. There's either what they call the consumption view, which is how much of your CO2 are you creating in your area.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's… that's the whole area, on a per-household basis, but you can go into the per…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Maybe I was in the wrong ones, right.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That one's on the per-household basis, and then we can go to that one there.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: One is consumption, and one is creation. So.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: How much are you generating, and how much are you using? And a lot of this is due to things outside your control. You can't really control the size of the roads through your parish.

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Maureen Holliday: Well, it's actually quite interesting, because we've got a new road coming

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Maureen Holliday: in, about a couple of villages away, and everybody's seriously concerned about the traffic coming off it, and rat running. Instead of going into the town as they're supposed to do, they will rat run out. So they've done traffic readings of before the road is opened, but it would be very interesting to do this. So, say, do a week of it, taking readings, and then compare it to

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Maureen Holliday: whatever, when they eventually open the road to what's happening then.

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Maureen Holliday: That would be amazing.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's true. It needs to be said that these are historical figures, they're not live.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, you're getting stuff that's probably, anything up to 2 years old.

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Maureen Holliday: Do you think it'll come back that they're… you said that you think they're getting.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think so, yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: The other thing which, again, most people seem to miss is that there is…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: a button here for Council Statistics. If you click on the button here.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: a certificate of competency, and what, you know, sort of thing. So, all things about your parish council.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But, so I mentioned that. And let me just say good afternoon to David, nice to have you with us.

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David Newman: Hi, hello.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: We're just going through, because Maureen is fairly new to Parish Online, we were just running through the various things that you may not see when you first go into it. But did you come because you have a specific question you wish answered today?

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David Newman: Yes, it's a specific question. It's probably quite quick, so I can wait until you've done this and finished the introduction.

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David Newman: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Shall I stop sharing? Do you want to share what's on your screen?

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David Newman: Yeah, that'll make it quicker, yep.

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David Newman: So… Just being given a link.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. And I want to know how to get that imported, because it is actually, at the moment.

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David Newman: An interactive view on a map on ArcGIS.

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David Newman: Right.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There are no means of, importing data into

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David Newman: And what do the help desk have to know so they can do that?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: They either have to be given, a file of data in a GIS format, so the usual one is what's called a shapefile.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if these people have… have issued this in a shapefile form, then they can cope with that. Well, they can cope with anything, really. They can take just a regular CSV file.

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David Newman: Well, this is… Oxfordcitymapsarches.com, so it's… I suspect it's a view, rather than the actual data.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, well, I, I think…

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David Newman: Yes, but I've only done the one about,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Geosphere like you to do the work of identifying the person with whom they need to speak, and you've got to sort of strike up a communication that says, yes, you're very interested in this map, and yes, if they… you put Geosphere in touch with them, will they give them the data that you need?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But, the Geosphere people themselves don't have the time to go and work out who it is, who's the source of this data. They ask if you would please do that.

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David Newman: Right, well, the problem is the GIS person in Oxford City,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I know. The advice I tend to give to people in this case is to look for somebody who's got the title of,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, I don't know if your councils do it, but certainly the ones I've been dealing with, they've come to the conclusion that they're actually there to service their clients, and as a parish, you're their client.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: whom I need to talk to, because they tend to be senior people who've been given the clout to knock heads together.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that's the problem we all find, that we call in and we're just nobodies, you know, but if their own man who's there to drive customer satisfaction is saying, you've got to help these people, they'll actually get around to doing it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's not very helpful to you in terms of specifics, but in general terms, I hope it's helpful.

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David Newman: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they all have different names for these departments, so you have to look for something along the lines of client responsibility, or

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Client Relationships Manager is a good one.

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David Newman: Hi.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But that's the best I can do, I'm afraid. What it is worth remembering, and I'm sure you're already aware of this, but I'm just saying this for Maureen's purposes as much as anything else, is that…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Geosphere are prepared to do all the work at no charge, and they tend to be extremely fast. Because they're doing this every day, it literally is a matter of a second or two once they know where to go.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It doesn't involve any extra work on the Council's end, except, as you have highlighted, finding out who on earth owns the data is a big issue for them.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because of the silos that they all tend to operate in.

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David Newman: Yes, although I noticed on their help page They do talk about charges.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: charges.

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David Newman: For importing data, yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or exporting it.

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David Newman: No, bring it into Paris Online.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, no, no charges, because A they aren't doing the work, and B, Geosphere are doing the work, and they don't charge.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it appears to be one of those wonderful

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David Newman: Alright.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's the best I can offer.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But it has…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I found has worked, that the people tasked with getting client satisfaction, or the customer complaints people, whatever, have got the authority to knock heads together to get you the answers you need.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because any council that's set up such a person has realized that they are indeed answerable to their clients.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, and I'm sure you've been on a call before where we've talked about the nuclear option, where there is government legislation that says councils are obliged to provide the information that you're looking for in the most convenient form possible, where the convenient form is your convenience, not theirs.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, that's always a fallback if nothing else works, but I've yet to find anybody who's actually gone that far yet.

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David Newman: Oh, hi.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's like demanding a Freedom of Information thing, you know, you've got to…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Say, you are required to give me this according to this government law, so please give it to me.

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David Newman: Yes, the people dealing with Freedom of Information requests probably don't know even less about who is the person to get it from.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Welcome to the world of local government.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Anything else, David, that you, being nagged by at the moment?

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David Newman: Now, that was a specific thing, because I just got this wonderful map, interactive.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's a good-looking map, isn't it? Yep.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, well, they have to export it in a form that,

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David Newman: So it doesn't have to be WMS.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, it doesn't have to be.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: All of, geosphere's data is stored in…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: British National Grid format, number 27700, if that helps.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which it does help, that's important to know, but again, they will resolve that, as long as you've given them someone to talk to.

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David Newman: Yeah, because that map is actually the actual approved local plan, not the one that was rejected.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, crucial to you then, and really, really useful to have in Paris Online.

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David Newman: Yeah.

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David Newman: Oh, no, that will be the 2040, or now 2044 draft plan. Right. Because 2040 was rejected, so they're developing a plan

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David Newman: That… Actually gives the number of houses the government wants to be built.

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David Newman: As opposed to the number that's actually needed.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, well, we're all running into those issues, aren't we?

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David Newman: In fact, two neighboring Districts have had their…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yup.

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David Newman: And all this is happening when we're going to get 20 million pounds.

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David Newman: for the Pride in Place program.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Really?

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David Newman: Yeah, for Oxford Medium Super Output Area 0118.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And what does this, £20 million do for you?

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David Newman: Up to $20 million a year for central government approved projects submitted by a neighbourhood board yet to be set up representing all the community organisations.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So who sets up the board, the local authority?

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David Newman: Zay… The ones I know are a bit confused, because the government legislation is somewhat vague.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you know these wonderful catch-22s that you run into? We have one on the Isle of Wight, where the Isle of Wight local plan has been rejected by the government, and so they're having to rethink it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: In the meantime, they are insisting on building new estates in order to meet the government's building targets. And normally, you can object to them because your neighbourhood plan clashes with the plans from the government.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But the neighbourhood plan is declared invalid, because it doesn't tie in with the local plan, because the local plan doesn't exist.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And so, all our objections to 130 homes being built right where nobody wants them, in the middle of a flood plain.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nowhere, because we have no valid authority, because the local plan doesn't exist, and therefore we can't be complying with it.

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David Newman: Isn't the previous local plan still valid?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I don't think so, because it's already been told, and it's not sufficient.

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David Newman: I mean, yes, if they have an expiry date or not, that's the difference. Yeah. Because in Oxford, the approved local plan actually goes through to 2036.

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David Newman: So that means, it's still valid, but they got to come up with a new one.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, so they want you to comply with something that's going to be out of date in a year's time.

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David Newman: Perfectly.

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Maureen Holliday: Or sooner. Did you… there was some news out, this week that the government's announced that,

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Maureen Holliday: How is it now? House building around train stations will be giving default yes in the future, and local planning authorities will also now be required to inform the government when they intend to reject new housing developments over a certain size.

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Maureen Holliday: With the Housing Secretary able to have the final say on whether they should go ahead. And finally, there are a raft of proposed changes to the statutory consultee process, with Sport England likely to lose its status as a statutory consultee, and the role of the Gardens Trust and theatres Trust is under review.

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Maureen Holliday: So basically, parish councils are going to have, and town councils, less opportunity to object to, building. The government will decide, yes, and that's it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Interesting. I wonder how that's going to fit in with devolution.

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john Roberts: That's… that's already happening here, because there was a… a planning application in Froome.

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john Roberts: Which was rejected by the Somerset Council twice.

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john Roberts: It can go ahead. It's been approved.

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Maureen Holliday: The government said that reforms are necessary to get the house building market moving to meet its housing growth targets.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But…

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john Roberts: Under the help desk, it's got types of upload.

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john Roberts: And data, sourced from a local authority, As we normally look for.

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john Roberts: It doesn't say there's a charge. However.

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john Roberts: If it's data specific to a local council.

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john Roberts: Then there is a £50 charge.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: From whom?

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john Roberts: from, Parish Online.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I wonder how long that's been there, because I've never heard of anybody being charged.

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john Roberts: He said, basically, if you have mapping data you'd like loaded into Parrish Online.

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john Roberts: And it doesn't fall under the previous section, which is what we normally look for.

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john Roberts: They can do it for a small charge. Things like tree surveys, walking routes, information exported from another mapping system.

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john Roberts: Then it's got pricing, and it's £50 excluding VAT per request.

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john Roberts: Each request can include up to 5 layers of information.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, but I've not spotted that one before.

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john Roberts: But… data sourced from a local authority, which is really, in effect, is what David's asking for.

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john Roberts: Is as we know it, and there's no charge.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

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john Roberts: Even to the extent that they will give that local authority their normal free XMAP parish online inroad.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

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john Roberts: Okay.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's, out of interest.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: John, does it say on that what the date of it was at last updated?

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john Roberts: Sight, hmm… I don't know.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It usually has it in the top right corner of the page, just last updated on such and such a date.

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john Roberts: Nope.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay.

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john Roberts: You carry on, and I'll have a look.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, good afternoon, Andrew.

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Andrew Clegg: Oh, sorry I'm a bit late.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's quite right.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: We have answered David's question in a sort of, sort of fashion. Maureen doesn't have any specific questions, so John does have a specific question.

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john Roberts: No, I haven't. The answer to your question is it updated 8 months ago.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, clearly, I'm out of date.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It was so bizarre, that's…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, Andrew, the question comes to you before we go back to Maureen, is do you have any questions you're specifically aiming to answer, or have answered?

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Andrew Clegg: I don't, I'm afraid, Graham.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, why have you shown up?

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Andrew Clegg: Because then my phone made an alarm noise.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, 6.30, that's set, isn't it? Every week at 2 o'clock, off he goes.

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Andrew Clegg: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Agreed.

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john Roberts: If we didn't, you would get incredibly lonely some weeks.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: True. Very true. So, what we were doing was going through Parrish Online from the point of view of a newcomer, such as Maureen, to, basically, what do you use it for, and what can it do?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And we've got as far, I think, as probably the very first line, which was the live traffic reports.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I didn't… by all means, other people, just chip in if you've got ideas, because I don't claim to have all of the answers.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I don't know why we were there, there we go.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I do have one thing to show you, because it's a favorite of mine, Maureen, which I try and persuade people to make more use of Parish Online.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I think it's a great way of storing data centrally that everybody in the parish wants to see.

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Maureen Holliday: Oh, yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, for instance, if, are you familiar… well, you aren't familiar with the bookmarks yet, but there is a bookmark system whereby you can create.

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Maureen Holliday: The view that you want to see and come back to each time, and then just clicking on the bookmark will take you there.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I've got one here for the Village Hall Operations Manual.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And what that does is instantly take us to the village hall.

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Maureen Holliday: Mmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And there, we've stored all the information that is useful to people who are using the Village Hall. So, usually the first thing that people ask is, what on earth is the Wi-Fi password?

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Maureen Holliday: Mmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You can click on there, and it tells you.

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Maureen Holliday: And you've got two choices, you know, how to look after the router itself, or how to look after just the general passwords, and there they are.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then, the other things are, you know, we have solar panels, so how much do we pay for them? Who cleans them? How often do they need to be cleaned? Have you got the user manual for the inverter, and all that sort of stuff? All stored here, because it's very central and very helpful.

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Maureen Holliday: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So people, you know, they want to know how to turn on the stage lighting, they want to control the sound system.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Whatever. Who do you call if the power drops off?

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Maureen Holliday: Christmas.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, that's just a use that I like to suggest to people they could be using Parish Online for, because it's very easy to find stuff. You know, if you want to find out what was last year's

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: annual playground inspection report, like, the place to go and find it is click on the playground.

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Maureen Holliday: Right.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Everyone knows where that is.

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Maureen Holliday: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it's just that I think it could be an online filing system.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: For keeping stuff that generally is useful and nobody knows where to get if it's stuck in the filing cabinet and the clerk's gone off on holiday to Madagascar with the key in his pocket.

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Maureen Holliday: Right.

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Andrew Clegg: There is a problem, Graham.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Of course.

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Andrew Clegg: Do you want me to tell you what the problem is? Because I'm meeting up with it all the time.

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Andrew Clegg: Nobody knows that this data are… these data are on parish online, so they don't think of going to Parish Online. For example,

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Andrew Clegg: Oh, Clark the other day said, send me a little email, is such and such a building listed?

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Maureen Holliday: Oh.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that's… I agree with you can't do much about, but this sort of thing, if you've got it all set here, you just published it as a public map.

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Andrew Clegg: Yeah, but even if it's published, people don't know that it's published, you see.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you stick it on the website.

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Andrew Clegg: engagement.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I agree with you, communication is a major issue.

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Andrew Clegg: It's a real problem, and particularly when you've got such a high turnover of… we have had, as you know, in Martok, in our parish organization.

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john Roberts: Excellent.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you core H at the moment?

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Andrew Clegg: Oh, yes, we're all right at the moment. We've got, we've got, we've got a nice group of people working for the parish, but…

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Andrew Clegg: I'm still the administrator for Parish Online, because nobody's interested in working with Parish Online, taking it over, and things like that.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I kind… when I do my training classes, I teach people that the reason that most councils got parish online in the first place was because they were doing a neighborhood plan.

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Andrew Clegg: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: The neighborhood plan without maps.

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Andrew Clegg: And then once you've done the neighborhood plan, nobody has any interest in…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that's… exactly. So I'm trying to persuade people that it can be more useful, as well as… and preaching to the choir and you guys, but.

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Andrew Clegg: Hmm.

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Andrew Clegg: One of the things that I've found in a small parish like Martok, where we've only got to really, essentially.

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Andrew Clegg: 3 permanent people working for us.

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Andrew Clegg: Is that it's vital that the people who are, running volunteer groups learned…

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Andrew Clegg: about Parish Online, and if necessary, become users.

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Andrew Clegg: And, you know, because it's…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's the only way to get continuity, isn't it?

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Andrew Clegg: Yeah, that, exactly, because you… the volunteer groups have continuity in the village very often, whereas the parish doesn't. You get a new parish council every few months, and you get, you know…

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Andrew Clegg: So it's the volunteer groups that keep the whole thing going, and slowly we're making some progress.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think age may have something to do with it. I know it was very, very interesting in Langport, which has a fairly young parish council. When you ask why, they say, because you've got this fabulous technology. They're all itching to get their hands on parish online, the youngsters love it

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, if you're trying to recruit for your council, you can go make sure you capture the youngest ones by saying, we have the technology.

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Andrew Clegg: Now, I wonder why Langport and not Martok, which is almost next door.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, there's some very, what's the word, I should say, forthcoming people in Langport. There's one lovely lady there who has no qualms about telling you what she's

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But, yes, I found that Langport was extraordinary, and they attributed the youth of their parish council to, or town council, to the faculty.

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Andrew Clegg: No, you're right, I deal with Langport Parish Council a lot. It cheers me up.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, okay, we've got…

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Maureen Holliday: We've always been told not that the council should not have anything to do with volunteer groups.

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Maureen Holliday: because of the liability… insurance liability on it. Say, for instance, one group, they wanted to side out a pathway on a B road.

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Maureen Holliday: Yeah. Find out this pathway. And… and we said, well, yeah, if you want to do it, you do it as a volunteer group, it's nothing to do with the council. And said, you can go and ask highways if you can do it. So, arrange an appointment for them to see highways, and highways said, yes, you can do it.

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Maureen Holliday: But of course, if it was done through the council, we'd have to have traffic regulation, we'd have to.

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Andrew Clegg: Yeah.

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Maureen Holliday: lights, and everything, and it would cost us thousands, but these guys could not understand. He… this was a guy who was…

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Maureen Holliday: Never been on a parish council, had come on as a counsellor.

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Maureen Holliday: And then a chairman resigned, and he was voted on as chairman. He's no experience of council at all, and he wanted to use it to make a name for himself, good publicity. So he was absolutely furious that he couldn't do it through the council.

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Maureen Holliday: So, I don't know if you've had… I don't know how involved you get with volunteer groups.

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Andrew Clegg: I'm a volunteer. I'm a volunteer group, you see. Okay. We just go ahead and do things, and then tell the parish council we've done it.

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Maureen Holliday: That's all right, because the council not having anything to do.

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Andrew Clegg: And then you don't have to have the problem of, insurance.

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Maureen Holliday: Yes, yeah, that's right.

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john Roberts: We've got… we've got several volunteer groups which we… we work closely with.

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john Roberts: One called Stoic Green Spaces, which…

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john Roberts: He cleans the village, does a lot of the maintenance work on the woods and the grass areas, etc.

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john Roberts: But… They've set themselves up, and they've got their own public liability insurance.

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Maureen Holliday: It's alright then, isn't it?

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john Roberts: Stowe Shuttle, which is the volunteer drivers, again, we helped set it up.

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john Roberts: But it's autonomous, they've got their own insurance and everything else.

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Andrew Clegg: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do any of them use Parish Online, John?

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john Roberts: Through, through us, yes.

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john Roberts: But… volunteer groups or people that work for the council, you do have to be careful.

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john Roberts: Because they are covered by your public liability.

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john Roberts: And, that part is, I agree with you, is a minefield. So we tend to encourage groups like that to set themselves up as autonomous.

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Maureen Holliday: Mmm.

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john Roberts: and then they run themselves. We may give them grants, such as the Green Spaces one. We actually pay for their insurance.

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john Roberts: But it's air insurance.

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Maureen Holliday: Yeah, yeah. That's a good idea, that is. Yes, a grant for their insurance, yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I find that one of the ways of getting Parish Online more widely viewed and used is to make sure that your local community organizations are using it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that if there are a group of people out there tracking bees, or pollination, or woodland canopies, or whatever, make sure that they're all given access to the parish online, so they can keep those. Again, that provides the continuity that Andrew was talking about.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because people… either they're more or less interested in chasing greater spotted voles.

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Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

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Andrew Clegg: You almost… In Motok.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh my sweetie.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, there's some person down there who's always chasing phosphates.

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Andrew Clegg: Yeah, we do phosphates, but I don't… I don't chase phosphates on parish online, because I have a… I have my own arrangement.

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Andrew Clegg: Oh my gosh.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You couldn't bad.

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Andrew Clegg: use… I couldn't use it.

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Andrew Clegg: For, parish work, because the river

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Andrew Clegg: not only runs in Martok Parish, it runs in all the other parishes between… like Langport.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

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Andrew Clegg: So I can't do phosphate work in Langport

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Andrew Clegg: and publish it on Parish Online, because it's in Langport, not Martok.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, you do the next map.

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Andrew Clegg: Hmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Fair enough.

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Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, where were we? We're going through, sort of, areas of potential interest to Maureen.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm quite happy for people to pitch in and say, why don't you do this, or why don't you do that? So, I was showing you bookmarks, and I was showing you using it as an online filing system.

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Maureen Holliday: Just upload your documents there, like your insurance for the village hall, or something like that.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Absolutely, yes, that's where it's easily referenced.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: that was just one example of the things that you can do with it. If you put in… if I go through the layers that we've created here, so an obvious one is mowing contracts, who's cutting the grass?

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Maureen Holliday: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: bit to grass are they doing?

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Maureen Holliday: And…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Sometimes you find that the grass is being cut on a per square meter basis, and there's a wonderful facility in Paris Online for measuring areas.

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Maureen Holliday: That would be interesting.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: is really good. Well, it's actually automatic.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, for instance, if I… Went to our nature reserve, And… Turn that on.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: What have we got here? Anything? Maybe I could scroll out a bit.

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00:46:59.620 --> 00:47:01.789\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: To find it. I must turn off this one.

467\
00:47:10.720 --> 00:47:12.750\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Lost the map.

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00:47:14.420 --> 00:47:15.470\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Interesting.

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00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:20.119\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Never give live demonstrations, they knock that into you all the time, don't they?

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00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:28.409\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Have you gone… Right. So, if I turn on that layer again…

471\
00:47:29.770 --> 00:47:35.639\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I go to the polygon that is the Nature Reserve. So if I click on that record.

472\
00:47:35.850 --> 00:47:36.230\
Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

473\
00:47:36.230 --> 00:47:40.810\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: You go into it, Then you'll discover, the whole thing.

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00:47:41.220 --> 00:47:41.930\
Maureen Holliday: -

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00:47:41.930 --> 00:47:47.359\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it tells you here what the area is, so it's quite large. It's 25,000 square meters.

476\
00:47:47.860 --> 00:47:48.480\
Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

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00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:54.790\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: But it… that… it does the measurement for you. You don't have to. As long as you've outlined the area.

478\
00:47:54.790 --> 00:48:00.469\
Maureen Holliday: It'll tell you what the sizes are, all this sort of stuff, how far it is to walk around it, for instance.

479\
00:48:00.750 --> 00:48:02.899\
Maureen Holliday: Yeah. What about village mowing?

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00:48:03.260 --> 00:48:03.900\
Maureen Holliday: the.

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00:48:03.900 --> 00:48:12.749\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, same thing, you, you, can highlight the areas… let me just turn that one off again. Here's the bits that we mow.

482\
00:48:13.640 --> 00:48:20.270\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, we have different contractors for each bit, so they have different colors. And again, if you go and look at each one.

483\
00:48:21.230 --> 00:48:24.660\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: It'll tell you… How much?

484\
00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:30.409\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: the area is for mowing. So, if you've got a contract with a mower.

485\
00:48:30.750 --> 00:48:34.999\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: to do it. You know, he's doing it for 900 square meters.

486\
00:48:36.130 --> 00:48:40.439\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or much less, in this case, you know, number 2 is obviously a much smaller one.

487\
00:48:42.580 --> 00:48:44.909\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that is number 2.

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00:48:45.820 --> 00:48:55.980\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's a mere 384 square meters, but again, really useful stuff to have at your fingertips without you having to calculate it. It's already done for you by the system.

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00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:06.520\
Maureen Holliday: But you haven't got any verges along the streets, have you? We've got… we're a village, and so we've got the small green areas, and then we've got verges along the sides of the roads.

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00:49:06.520 --> 00:49:10.890\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, we, we, we, we have a linksman that the parish.

491\
00:49:10.890 --> 00:49:11.830\
Maureen Holliday: Oh, yeah.

492\
00:49:11.830 --> 00:49:15.839\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So his time, if it's spent time doing verges, then he's doing verges, it's not…

493\
00:49:16.030 --> 00:49:16.470\
Maureen Holliday: Mmm.

494\
00:49:16.470 --> 00:49:22.799\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: referencing it. So, I think it would only switch to a verge if you had an outside contractor doing the work.

495\
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:26.040\
Maureen Holliday: Yeah, well, we do. Yeah, yours is a lengthsman, yeah.

496\
00:49:26.040 --> 00:49:33.279\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, so you can do verges. I mean, it's actually quite quick and very useful to set up. Yeah.

497\
00:49:33.650 --> 00:49:36.140\
Maureen Holliday: How's that? How's that set up, then?

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00:49:36.140 --> 00:49:40.540\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, you were doing a boundary last year, last week.

499\
00:49:40.930 --> 00:49:41.700\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: lying.

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00:49:41.700 --> 00:49:42.300\
Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

501\
00:49:42.300 --> 00:49:45.719\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the verges you would set up as what's called a polygon.

502\
00:49:46.870 --> 00:49:49.830\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or a dead parrot, as my math tutor used to insist.

503\
00:49:52.650 --> 00:49:58.780\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if you haven't done those, yet, let's just create one. I think I've got a test one down here.

504\
00:50:03.220 --> 00:50:07.100\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, I've turned on the polygon layer, which means I can create one.

505\
00:50:07.100 --> 00:50:07.790\
Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

506\
00:50:07.790 --> 00:50:11.099\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which would be adding a new feature. So let's just say…

507\
00:50:11.100 --> 00:50:12.030\
Maureen Holliday: I'll call you back.

508\
00:50:13.180 --> 00:50:15.380\
Maureen Holliday: Okay, sorry, something called… yes, what are you saying?

509\
00:50:15.380 --> 00:50:19.960\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's right. So, if we're going to do verges, that's…

510\
00:50:20.420 --> 00:50:27.249\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: zoom in a little. Yeah, there's a verge. There's a nice verge. So you could say, what is the size of this?

511\
00:50:27.750 --> 00:50:30.319\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's a polygon, so it's a new feature.

512\
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:35.020\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you're going to call it a…

513\
00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:44.920\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, not such a verdure, perhaps, as a test.

514\
00:50:46.710 --> 00:50:50.309\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then… You would start in one top corner.

515\
00:50:51.230 --> 00:50:55.530\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Did, last week, did they tell you about Quick and Dirty?

516\
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:57.300\
Maureen Holliday: No, I don't think.

517\
00:50:57.300 --> 00:51:08.679\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: All right, so John is a real advocate of this. So, when you've got fine details like this, if you try and create those as you're doing the initial,

518\
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:21.889\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: area, I guarantee you that at some point, something will slip. The phone will ring, your finger will jerk, and the whole leg up gets lost. So, I always advocate a quick and dirty route thing, so you just zoom down.

519\
00:51:22.160 --> 00:51:28.799\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: The length of the verge, and you might say, we're going to change direction there a little bit, and we're going to change direction…

520\
00:51:29.950 --> 00:51:32.870\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, God, it goes on, doesn't it?

521\
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:36.799\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: But very approximate.

522\
00:51:37.010 --> 00:51:37.740\
Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

523\
00:51:38.410 --> 00:51:41.759\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Golly, who knew there was so much to decide? Let's just stop for argument's sake today.

524\
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:42.220\
Maureen Holliday: Yes.

525\
00:51:42.220 --> 00:51:43.240\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.

526\
00:51:43.540 --> 00:51:45.430\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So then, when you go back.

527\
00:51:45.620 --> 00:51:50.040\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Again, just do the quick and dirty bit. You can go to there, you can go to there.

528\
00:51:50.260 --> 00:51:53.010\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you can zoom up to there.

529\
00:51:53.520 --> 00:51:58.440\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And so I'm just trying to get things done with the map here. Again, just do it quick.

530\
00:51:58.440 --> 00:51:59.130\
Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

531\
00:51:59.130 --> 00:52:03.899\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then, having finished.

532\
00:52:05.220 --> 00:52:11.949\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: You save it, And it'll turn a nice red color to show that it's now safely in the system.

533\
00:52:12.550 --> 00:52:13.420\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: He said.

534\
00:52:13.620 --> 00:52:14.789\
Maureen Holliday: Yeah, it's not turning red.

535\
00:52:14.790 --> 00:52:15.760\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, we've only lost an egg.

536\
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:16.520\
Maureen Holliday: I've got the name.

537\
00:52:16.520 --> 00:52:21.350\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: I thought, well, what happened to… oh, no, that's the old one. Sorry, the new one, it has saved it.

538\
00:52:21.560 --> 00:52:22.170\
Maureen Holliday: to the street.

539\
00:52:22.170 --> 00:52:22.750\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Inc.

540\
00:52:23.200 --> 00:52:27.819\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, let's just give it a quick, re…

541\
00:52:28.060 --> 00:52:31.750\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Boot to say, have you really saved it, or have you really lost it?

542\
00:52:33.230 --> 00:52:35.010\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Turn on the layer again.

543\
00:52:35.790 --> 00:52:39.010\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which was Maureen's Tesla, wasn't it?

544\
00:52:44.050 --> 00:52:46.100\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hess moment. No, not that one.

545\
00:52:47.810 --> 00:52:50.140\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: We didn't save it. How miserable is that?

546\
00:52:50.140 --> 00:52:51.289\
Maureen Holliday: I'll just do a little bit.

547\
00:52:51.290 --> 00:52:54.429\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Actually, no, I think you must have been there, that's how I look at the table view.

548\
00:52:56.090 --> 00:52:59.119\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: It didn't have a name, isn't it, Lester Day?

549\
00:52:59.120 --> 00:52:59.930\
Maureen Holliday: Mmm.

550\
00:52:59.930 --> 00:53:03.959\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, so somehow I didn't get a name. I wonder why. I thought we actually put one in.

551\
00:53:04.120 --> 00:53:04.980\
Maureen Holliday: Yeah, I'll give you.

552\
00:53:04.980 --> 00:53:06.590\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Will they put in Maureen?

553\
00:53:06.900 --> 00:53:09.139\
Maureen Holliday: I think you put that in the top box, and then…

554\
00:53:09.140 --> 00:53:10.879\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, well, that was the namebook.

555\
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:11.960\
Maureen Holliday: Right, okay.

556\
00:53:12.500 --> 00:53:13.090\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: But…

557\
00:53:19.140 --> 00:53:22.769\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then just… this is the contractor… oh, it's under construction.

558\
00:53:23.040 --> 00:53:25.820\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, so if you now view it on the map.

559\
00:53:26.780 --> 00:53:29.810\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: It should be… what do we do?

560\
00:53:29.810 --> 00:53:30.600\
Maureen Holliday: Shut it down.

561\
00:53:31.070 --> 00:53:32.529\
Maureen Holliday: Hasn't saved, does it?

562\
00:53:32.590 --> 00:53:33.630\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: It hasn't.

563\
00:53:33.910 --> 00:53:38.179\
Maureen Holliday: No, because there's the… it's just in the… just below the middle now.

564\
00:53:38.180 --> 00:53:40.239\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: It was there, wasn't it? That was it there.

565\
00:53:40.240 --> 00:53:41.030\
Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

566\
00:53:41.030 --> 00:53:41.740\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: dating.

567\
00:53:41.770 --> 00:53:44.669\
Maureen Holliday: Well, that's… It's gone into a sulk.

568\
00:53:44.830 --> 00:53:48.370\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let's try it again.

569\
00:53:49.190 --> 00:53:51.160\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So this time, we'll put a name in.

570\
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:54.980\
john Roberts: Pick an easier shake, Graham.

571\
00:53:55.380 --> 00:53:56.240\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do you do what?

572\
00:53:56.680 --> 00:53:58.579\
john Roberts: I said, pick an easiest shape.

573\
00:53:58.760 --> 00:53:59.490\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh…

574\
00:53:59.490 --> 00:54:02.179\
Maureen Holliday: It doesn't matter what you do, just fine.

575\
00:54:02.180 --> 00:54:03.149\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do that, yep.

576\
00:54:10.540 --> 00:54:12.180\
Maureen Holliday: Alright, so that's the quick one.

577\
00:54:12.530 --> 00:54:15.360\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, except it's lost the name.

578\
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.220\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: I find that fascinating. I've got no idea how that happened.

579\
00:54:19.390 --> 00:54:21.010\
Maureen Holliday: Well, that's probably what happened last time.

580\
00:54:21.010 --> 00:54:21.760\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Mmm.

581\
00:54:27.130 --> 00:54:30.549\
Maureen Holliday: It's, it's saying, oh, no, not her again.

582\
00:54:30.550 --> 00:54:33.550\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, let's do the say this time.

583\
00:54:33.550 --> 00:54:34.500\
Maureen Holliday: Oh, he's gone again!

584\
00:54:34.500 --> 00:54:38.800\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, no, I think it's gone on to the new record. I hope it has.

585\
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:41.730\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let's see what we've got here.

586\
00:54:47.510 --> 00:54:49.710\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, it hasn't. It is very odd.

587\
00:54:49.890 --> 00:54:50.720\
Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

588\
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:54.400\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I don't know what it is about you, Maureen, but you're obviously…

589\
00:54:55.710 --> 00:54:59.009\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: The point I was trying to make is that…

590\
00:54:59.430 --> 00:55:03.059\
Maureen Holliday: When you put those rough lines in, though, which is the exact…

591\
00:55:03.060 --> 00:55:05.019\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then you correct them, alright?

592\
00:55:05.020 --> 00:55:06.569\
john Roberts: me to give it a go, Graham?

593\
00:55:06.570 --> 00:55:10.250\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: You are much more sensible than I am. Yes, please, John, by all means.

594\
00:55:10.690 --> 00:55:11.320\
john Roberts: Right.

595\
00:55:11.700 --> 00:55:13.510\
john Roberts: First of all, I've got to remember how to share.

596\
00:55:20.640 --> 00:55:25.410\
Andrew Clegg: It's an interesting problem, that, though, while John's doing that, .

597\
00:55:25.970 --> 00:55:27.320\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Get a registered nur.

598\
00:55:28.220 --> 00:55:30.549\
john Roberts: It did register in the.

599\
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:40.729\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: In the table view. In the table view. Yes, wasn't that weird? And that name was a required field, so it shouldn't have been able to save it. That's a required field.

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00:55:40.730 --> 00:55:41.389\
Andrew Clegg: If it isn't…

601\
00:55:42.180 --> 00:55:46.290\
john Roberts: Can I assume you're looking at… My parish online map.

602\
00:55:46.290 --> 00:55:47.649\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, yes, we can see it.

603\
00:55:47.650 --> 00:55:48.190\
john Roberts: Okay.

604\
00:55:52.270 --> 00:55:52.889\
Maureen Holliday: I'm gonna eat it.

605\
00:55:52.890 --> 00:55:56.420\
john Roberts: Take an easy one, which is this garden there.

606\
00:55:56.420 --> 00:55:58.210\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, be wise.

607\
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:03.940\
Maureen Holliday: Add feature.

608\
00:56:03.940 --> 00:56:07.800\
john Roberts: Basically, what Graham was talking about was… very quickly.

609\
00:56:10.040 --> 00:56:11.709\
john Roberts: I deliberately missed that one.

610\
00:56:13.860 --> 00:56:17.750\
john Roberts: So you've got a very… Rough polygon there.

611\
00:56:17.750 --> 00:56:18.560\
Maureen Holliday: Yes.

612\
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:21.099\
john Roberts: And I'll just save it as it is.

613\
00:56:23.650 --> 00:56:27.349\
john Roberts: Now, if I come out of there, if I…

614\
00:56:30.780 --> 00:56:32.300\
john Roberts: I've got Graham's disease.

615\
00:56:32.300 --> 00:56:36.839\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, you have to turn the layer back on, or maybe it's Friday afternoon, they're doing something. There you go.

616\
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:39.330\
john Roberts: If I then… if I then click on the…

617\
00:56:40.080 --> 00:56:42.640\
john Roberts: You miss it. If I click on the pencil.

618\
00:56:42.640 --> 00:56:43.490\
Maureen Holliday: Yes.

619\
00:56:44.670 --> 00:56:46.240\
john Roberts: It highlights the polygon.

620\
00:56:47.210 --> 00:56:48.610\
john Roberts: I can then zoom in.

621\
00:56:51.260 --> 00:56:51.850\
john Roberts: Sit.

622\
00:56:51.850 --> 00:56:52.530\
Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

623\
00:56:53.090 --> 00:56:55.449\
john Roberts: And start moving it around.

624\
00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:58.560\
john Roberts: To get it more accurate.

625\
00:56:58.770 --> 00:56:59.450\
Maureen Holliday: Right.

626\
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:04.670\
john Roberts: And you can do that, and you can pick a point halfway along a line.

627\
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:07.989\
john Roberts: Doesn't have to be on a corner.

628\
00:57:20.820 --> 00:57:22.649\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: That was pretty good drawing, huh?

629\
00:57:32.640 --> 00:57:38.570\
john Roberts: You can see there, Because it's not a straight line, so I'll pick it up at that point.

630\
00:57:39.710 --> 00:57:40.430\
Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

631\
00:57:41.370 --> 00:57:45.060\
john Roberts: And just keep moving it until I'm happy it's where I want it.

632\
00:57:45.260 --> 00:57:45.840\
Maureen Holliday: You're right.

633\
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:47.810\
john Roberts: And then all you do is press save.

634\
00:57:48.510 --> 00:57:51.869\
Maureen Holliday: Right, so basically you do it roughly, and save it, and then you perfect.

635\
00:57:51.870 --> 00:57:58.959\
john Roberts: Do it, yeah, do it roughly and save it. I can leave that there.

636\
00:57:59.850 --> 00:58:01.899\
john Roberts: Graham probably knows where I'm going now.

637\
00:58:05.200 --> 00:58:07.479\
john Roberts: Because if I could come out to there…

638\
00:58:08.820 --> 00:58:12.380\
john Roberts: Because where this came from is we actually mapped the village.

639\
00:58:25.080 --> 00:58:28.389\
Maureen Holliday: Oh, I see. Right, yeah, so the whole of the village is mapped.

640\
00:58:28.390 --> 00:58:37.190\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, it's very useful if you're going to do distribution, if you're going to do newsletter distribution, you say, well, you guys do this particular section, and you guys can do that section.

641\
00:58:37.520 --> 00:58:40.469\
john Roberts: Basically, we map the whole village street by street.

642\
00:58:40.470 --> 00:58:41.250\
Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

643\
00:58:44.680 --> 00:58:47.640\
Maureen Holliday: And when you map it, does it give the number of properties?

644\
00:58:48.330 --> 00:58:49.390\
john Roberts: It will do.

645\
00:58:49.890 --> 00:58:55.289\
john Roberts: If you go into data extract, but where we had all these interlocating gardens.

646\
00:58:55.290 --> 00:58:55.720\
Maureen Holliday: We knew.

647\
00:58:55.720 --> 00:58:59.150\
john Roberts: needed to know Who was whom, really?

648\
00:58:59.150 --> 00:58:59.510\
Maureen Holliday: Thanks.

649\
00:58:59.510 --> 00:59:00.230\
john Roberts: lately.

650\
00:59:00.230 --> 00:59:00.660\
Maureen Holliday: Yes.

651\
00:59:00.660 --> 00:59:04.970\
john Roberts: So we just did it street by street, one side of the street, then the other.

652\
00:59:05.370 --> 00:59:07.950\
john Roberts: And then you could see how they all interlinked.

653\
00:59:09.380 --> 00:59:11.569\
john Roberts: It's the problem with a medieval village.

654\
00:59:13.540 --> 00:59:15.349\
john Roberts: But that's all polygons.

655\
00:59:15.780 --> 00:59:17.150\
Maureen Holliday: Right, okay.

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john Roberts: And, if we… they'll go in a minute when we turn off. If I go back to…

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john Roberts: The test polygon, or, say, this one.

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john Roberts: style.

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john Roberts: You can see I've given it a color.

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john Roberts: I've given it a pattern, diagonal.

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Maureen Holliday: And the line color.

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Maureen Holliday: Right.

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john Roberts: So…

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john Roberts: It made it easier to differentiate between each of these by giving them the different shading and different colors.

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Maureen Holliday: Yes. What's the difference between the purple and the pink, then?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: there.

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john Roberts: Absolutely nothing.

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john Roberts: There's one thing you have to bear in mind, Maureen, is, like Andrew, I'm colorblind.

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Maureen Holliday: Oh, gosh!

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john Roberts: So, all I did was pick colours I could…

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john Roberts: Differentiate from one area to another.

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Maureen Holliday: Yeah, the color's the color.

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john Roberts: mean, actually, nothing. It just… I can look at that map and say, well, that is one street, and that is another street.

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Maureen Holliday: Right. But in the middle of that purple and that pink, you've got two square… a rectangle and a square in a yellow. Does that mean that nobody owns it?

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john Roberts: Yeah, or, down here.

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Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

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john Roberts: Yeah.

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Maureen Holliday: Nobody is.

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john Roberts: We don't know… we don't know the owners of those yet.

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Maureen Holliday: Hmm. Interesting.

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Maureen Holliday: Because this is all what's actually registered on the land registry.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are they, I was gonna say, are they separate cadacheal parcels, John?

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john Roberts: No. This is just purely… was me mapping the buildings and the gardens on each street.

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john Roberts: Right. Nothing to do with cadastro parcels, or land registry, or anything else.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, I just wondered if you turned on the cadastro parcels, do they show that those two separate squares are owned by anybody here?

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Maureen Holliday: And what's that in?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's on the land registry.

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john Roberts: No, it's land registry.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There you go.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There you go. They're completely…

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john Roberts: Yeah, they are registered, but they're not.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

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john Roberts: They're not connected to either of the streets, so therefore they weren't mapped on this particular thing.

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Maureen Holliday: Gosh, so how do… if they… those properties don't own it, how do they get to it?

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john Roberts: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Didn'.

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john Roberts: This was what started it, couldn't it?

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Maureen Holliday: I mean, we've got an old village too, and there's land everywhere, and you think, who owns that?

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john Roberts: You see, you've got these plots here.

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Maureen Holliday: Yeah.

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john Roberts: For they're the gardens for these cottages.

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Maureen Holliday: Yeah, that's not unusual. That isn't unusual, because they were like allotments, weren't they?

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john Roberts: Yeah, and this is what started it, really.

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john Roberts: But yeah, that is all, polygons, and they're given a different color, different shading, just so that they differentiate between each other.

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Maureen Holliday: Alright, that's very interesting. Hmm.

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john Roberts: Okay.

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Maureen Holliday: Yeah, thank you.

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Maureen Holliday: I have learnt something today.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nicely done, John.

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Maureen Holliday: I think what I've got to do is set myself a project of mapping the village, and .

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john Roberts: The easiest way to set all that back to zero, Maureen, is.

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Maureen Holliday: to…

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john Roberts: Come out of parish online altogether.

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john Roberts: And go back into it, and it sets everything back to zero.

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Maureen Holliday: Oh, right.

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john Roberts: Graham's got another way of doing it, but that's my quick way.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because that's… you're not saving it, so…

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john Roberts: No, I wasn't saving it. When you start Parrish Online, it will always come up with the default

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john Roberts: the default map.

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Maureen Holliday: Hmm.

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john Roberts: And the parish boundaries, they're there.

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john Roberts: And anything you use within that, unless you save it.

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john Roberts: as, like, I did John's Polygon, that will disappear when you close Parish Online now.

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Maureen Holliday: Right, okay. Understandable, yeah. That's very interesting, thank you.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Our pleasure.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm in grave danger of being eaten alive by a Labrador that thinks it's 3 o'clock, and therefore he should be on his.

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Maureen Holliday: Yes, I think I've had enough today.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I was going to say, if nobody else has anything that they wish to cover.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Thank you all for sharing. Okay. And we'll see you again next time.

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Maureen Holliday: Thank you.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Take care, have a good weekend. Bye-bye. Bye.

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