241025 25Oct24 Gullies, council data, training, national/collaborative layers, allotments/cemetery

Gullies, council data, training, national/collaborative layers, allotments/cemeteries, deleting a parish layer

25Oct24

Video Timeline (min:sec):

00:00 - 03:20 Introductory banter

03:20 - 38:34 Gullies (Somerset layer)

38:34 - 46:45 Council data - how to get exported into Parish Online

46:45 - 48:50 Training in use of Parish Online

48:40 - 49:30 Reviewing recordings of these sessions

49:30 - 50:50 Educating councils re exporting data

50:50 - 59:15 National/Collaborative layers, allotments,cemeteries

59:15 - 61:58 (end) Deleting a parish layer

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Chat:

00:09:26 Stuart Bacon: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje02527g24o

00:44:50 Matt Geen: This works with the BNG E,N coordinates: https://webapps.bgs.ac.uk/data/webservices/convertForm.cfm#bngToLatLng

00:45:42 Matt Geen: You have to remove the decimal part of the E,N.

00:48:24 Matt Geen: You enter the latitude, longitude into the Google Maps search bar, e.g., 51° 2' 16.16", -2° 51' 0.54". Note the different order to E,N.

00:59:50 Malcolm Daniels: I have to go, bye!

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Speech-to-text transcript:

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1 00:03:52.290 --> 00:03:53.230 Helen Davey: No.

2 00:04:01.300 --> 00:04:02.780 Stuart Bacon: I have it, Helen.

3 00:04:04.170 --> 00:04:05.600 Helen Davey: Hi, Stuart, how are you?

4 00:04:05.600 --> 00:04:11.299 Stuart Bacon: Not so bad, sir, not so bad. Sorry I was. I got other screens up then, and covering over zoom.

5 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.715 Helen Davey: Arrived early today instead of after we started.

6 00:04:18.930 --> 00:04:19.709 Stuart Bacon: Yeah.

7 00:04:21.690 --> 00:04:22.380 Stuart Bacon: yeah.

8 00:05:36.230 --> 00:05:37.390 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hey! Hazel!

9 00:05:40.750 --> 00:05:41.270 Stuart Bacon: Honestly.

10 00:05:41.270 --> 00:05:42.059 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The world.

11 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:44.979 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hey, Stuart, thank you very much for that flooding thing.

12 00:05:45.473 --> 00:05:47.040 Stuart Bacon: No worries, Graham, no problem.

13 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:48.397 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Very helpful. Yeah.

14 00:05:49.820 --> 00:05:51.820 Helen Davey: And thank you, Graham, for all your help.

15 00:05:52.830 --> 00:05:55.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We haven't had any results yet. Have you.

16 00:05:55.080 --> 00:05:56.490 Helen Davey: No, not yet.

17 00:05:56.490 --> 00:05:58.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Did you get that email off to those people?

18 00:05:58.810 --> 00:05:59.880 Helen Davey: I did.

19 00:06:00.590 --> 00:06:02.010 Helen Davey: and we'll.

20 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:03.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones: See what happens.

21 00:06:03.510 --> 00:06:05.079 Helen Davey: See? What happens. Yes.

22 00:06:05.080 --> 00:06:05.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.

23 00:06:07.760 --> 00:06:09.930 Graham Stoddart-Stones: hey, Richard, any news from Somerset?

24 00:06:11.060 --> 00:06:14.759 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Sometimes different ways blocked. Bridgewater is a chaos.

25 00:06:15.100 --> 00:06:16.750 Stogursey Parish Clerk: usual sort of Friday.

26 00:06:17.070 --> 00:06:20.139 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But it's not today. The day that they announce all the

27 00:06:21.820 --> 00:06:23.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones: redundancies.

28 00:06:23.832 --> 00:06:24.950 Stogursey Parish Clerk: It was yesterday.

29 00:06:24.950 --> 00:06:26.589 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, they hadn't already.

30 00:06:27.500 --> 00:06:32.310 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Well, the consultation with New. It's been coming for ages, haven't we? And they

31 00:06:32.400 --> 00:06:33.459 Stogursey Parish Clerk: they were

32 00:06:33.860 --> 00:06:40.289 Stogursey Parish Clerk: at the deputy leader on yesterday about the that there will be compulsory redundancies this time around.

33 00:06:40.430 --> 00:06:42.600 Stuart Bacon: Is it? 450? Compulsory?

34 00:06:43.260 --> 00:06:43.930 Stuart Bacon: Did not really.

35 00:06:43.930 --> 00:06:51.300 Stogursey Parish Clerk: That's the the next round is 4. Yeah, I think it is 4. Expect John will know better. But yeah, I think it is something like 450.

36 00:06:51.300 --> 00:06:51.930 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Would just.

37 00:06:51.930 --> 00:06:56.419 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Denounced another 35 million gap on top of the 100 million, so

38 00:06:56.710 --> 00:06:58.630 Stogursey Parish Clerk: I don't expect that will be the end.

39 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:01.919 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Deary me! What a place to live.

40 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:09.609 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Well, I don't think I don't think anywhere. Sort of weather in this sort of storm, are they at the moment, because

41 00:07:09.670 --> 00:07:10.790 Stogursey Parish Clerk: the rain does

42 00:07:10.970 --> 00:07:16.522 Stogursey Parish Clerk: brains has been been talking of a similar issues, not to the same numbers, and

43 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:18.760 Stogursey Parish Clerk: North Somerset, as well.

44 00:07:19.660 --> 00:07:20.490 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Looks.

45 00:07:22.260 --> 00:07:23.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hi John.

46 00:07:23.550 --> 00:07:25.230 John Roberts: Hi! Everybody!

47 00:07:26.150 --> 00:07:27.220 Helen Davey: Hello!

48 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:38.010 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you got more details on people, John, or we just

49 00:07:38.320 --> 00:07:40.709 Graham Stoddart-Stones: everyone's sitting waiting for the axe to fall.

50 00:07:42.506 --> 00:07:44.489 John Roberts: No. They started the

51 00:07:44.970 --> 00:07:47.910 John Roberts: formal consultation yesterday.

52 00:07:51.730 --> 00:07:54.730 John Roberts: If I'm brutally honest, it's a bit of a mess.

53 00:07:56.630 --> 00:08:00.299 John Roberts: You've got people where say they've got 3 in

54 00:08:00.750 --> 00:08:05.680 John Roberts: 3 managers, but they only want 2. So all 3 are now having to be interviewed for their own job.

55 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:11.249 John Roberts: People are being moved about.

56 00:08:11.910 --> 00:08:15.760 John Roberts: but they don't really have an explanation of why they're moving them to where they are.

57 00:08:17.150 --> 00:08:19.409 John Roberts: But it's anywhere between

58 00:08:19.860 --> 00:08:21.240 John Roberts: 2,

59 00:08:21.550 --> 00:08:23.309 John Roberts: 450 going.

60 00:08:25.990 --> 00:08:26.490 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Ouch!

61 00:08:27.440 --> 00:08:31.410 John Roberts: sat. I've sat in with a couple of meetings yesterday and today, but

62 00:08:31.520 --> 00:08:38.719 John Roberts: the mantra seems to be that. Well, this isn't final yet, if you have other ideas, please let us know, and we will listen to them.

63 00:08:42.070 --> 00:08:44.529 John Roberts: Even some of the managers who were

64 00:08:44.860 --> 00:08:46.179 John Roberts: talking to their

65 00:08:48.150 --> 00:08:48.680 John Roberts: teams

66 00:08:49.270 --> 00:08:51.919 John Roberts: didn't agree with what was being done, so

67 00:08:53.550 --> 00:08:58.090 John Roberts: it it must be difficult for them to explain what's happening when they don't agree with it. In the 1st place.

68 00:08:58.310 --> 00:08:59.090 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes.

69 00:09:03.293 --> 00:09:04.099 John Roberts: Excuse me.

70 00:09:04.990 --> 00:09:07.500 John Roberts: but at least we got the layers sorted.

71 00:09:08.040 --> 00:09:08.770 John Roberts: Yes.

72 00:09:09.983 --> 00:09:11.230 John Roberts: of course.

73 00:09:11.230 --> 00:09:11.659 Stogursey Parish Clerk: To what?

74 00:09:11.660 --> 00:09:12.080 Stuart Bacon: Oh, yeah.

75 00:09:12.550 --> 00:09:15.460 Stuart Bacon: the information before everybody boogers off. That's.

76 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:25.210 John Roberts: I looked at Allison's email. And I thought I was. I'm sure those layers weren't there.

77 00:09:25.420 --> 00:09:27.480 John Roberts: Of course, when I looked they are there.

78 00:09:28.750 --> 00:09:31.789 John Roberts: but they weren't when we were looking at it originally.

79 00:09:33.460 --> 00:09:34.025 John Roberts: But

80 00:09:34.920 --> 00:09:36.570 John Roberts: it's quite interesting.

81 00:09:37.030 --> 00:09:43.079 John Roberts: You can copy individual items to other layers. You can't copy a group of items.

82 00:09:45.090 --> 00:09:46.439 John Roberts: If that makes sense.

83 00:09:48.150 --> 00:09:51.539 Stuart Bacon: That's painstaking work to move it from one layer to another.

84 00:09:51.800 --> 00:09:53.980 John Roberts: Yeah. And also

85 00:09:55.100 --> 00:09:58.680 John Roberts: you have. When you create the layer you're moving it to.

86 00:09:59.910 --> 00:10:06.270 John Roberts: You have to make sure that you've got the right kind of icon already pre selected.

87 00:10:07.220 --> 00:10:11.130 John Roberts: Otherwise, like me, you'll you'll copy a gully and end up with a tree.

88 00:10:12.740 --> 00:10:14.308 Stuart Bacon: Yeah, that's not helpful.

89 00:10:18.050 --> 00:10:25.851 John Roberts: I was trying to work out why, I had a tree until I remembered going to the style menu and see what you've selected for that layer.

90 00:10:26.140 --> 00:10:26.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's available.

91 00:10:26.920 --> 00:10:28.313 Helen Davey: Oh! Damn!

92 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:38.979 John Roberts: So that's as far as we're gonna get on that one. It's you can copy individual items, or you can download the

93 00:10:39.400 --> 00:10:41.120 John Roberts: the table view, and then

94 00:10:41.250 --> 00:10:44.230 John Roberts: edit that though, and that does work.

95 00:10:48.380 --> 00:10:55.899 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Indeed. Well, there are a couple of people joining us, I thought today who would want to see a demonstration of that actually happening. But

96 00:10:56.730 --> 00:10:57.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so far

97 00:10:58.120 --> 00:10:59.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: no takers.

98 00:10:59.590 --> 00:11:01.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, no, I tell you.

99 00:11:01.070 --> 00:11:03.292 John Roberts: Matt was. Matt was not in his head.

100 00:11:03.570 --> 00:11:04.475 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

101 00:11:05.680 --> 00:11:06.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hi, Deborah

102 00:11:07.970 --> 00:11:10.509 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and Malcolm, good afternoon to you.

103 00:11:10.510 --> 00:11:11.340 John Roberts: Malcolm.

104 00:11:11.910 --> 00:11:12.600 Malcolm Daniels: Hi.

105 00:11:14.340 --> 00:11:17.559 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. Mr. Edwards was the guilty party, wasn't he?

106 00:11:18.170 --> 00:11:24.870 John Roberts: He was the one that yeah, I would have thought I would have thought table view and and things. Chris would have been better than me, but.

107 00:11:29.370 --> 00:11:35.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, as I say, a a hearty welcome to the the new faces. Nice to see you, Deborah.

108 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:36.630 Deborah Howell: Hello!

109 00:11:36.630 --> 00:11:42.839 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are you somebody who's arrived full of specific questions? Or are you here to find out what on earth is going on?

110 00:11:43.290 --> 00:11:47.469 Deborah Howell: Partly that. Yes. Can you hear me? Okay?

111 00:11:47.470 --> 00:11:48.149 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, absolutely.

112 00:11:48.150 --> 00:12:03.770 Deborah Howell: Okay, great. I, basically, I've just started at Stroud Town Council. I'm a new business administration apprentice. So I'm just learning parish online. So basically complete Newbie. So any advice anyone has how to try and navigate it be really helpful.

113 00:12:04.060 --> 00:12:05.460 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, well, give up.

114 00:12:09.950 --> 00:12:17.819 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm sure we can help you out. Has anyone actually taken the time to show it to you, or are you looking at it from a raw start.

115 00:12:18.121 --> 00:12:25.360 Deborah Howell: Shelly show show me a little bit of how to do it. And we created a new a new map today. So.

116 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:31.059 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hold on. Okay. So you know, you know, creating a layer and and adding features to it. Or that's a good start. Yeah.

117 00:12:31.190 --> 00:12:32.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: all right.

118 00:12:32.260 --> 00:12:34.509 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Matt, do you have a specific question?

119 00:12:35.251 --> 00:12:39.469 Matt Geen: I'll introduce myself. I'm the Councillor on arrival. Parish Council.

120 00:12:41.650 --> 00:12:45.770 Matt Geen: and I tend to kind of get stuck into the it. Things

121 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:47.540 Matt Geen: that they

122 00:12:47.570 --> 00:12:49.539 Matt Geen: councillors want to do.

123 00:12:50.092 --> 00:12:53.230 Matt Geen: Yeah, I'm finding it very useful this week.

124 00:12:53.730 --> 00:12:56.540 Matt Geen: I've been looking at gullies for

125 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:02.339 Matt Geen: There's a group of people down in Wic, if you know Wic, it's

126 00:13:02.490 --> 00:13:05.670 Matt Geen: it's 1 of the wetter bits of the village down the bottom of the hill. Most.

127 00:13:05.670 --> 00:13:06.000 Graham Stoddart-Stones: They're all.

128 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:07.359 Matt Geen: The village on the top of a hill.

129 00:13:08.520 --> 00:13:09.410 Matt Geen: They?

130 00:13:10.478 --> 00:13:11.909 Matt Geen: They tend to get flooded in

131 00:13:12.590 --> 00:13:19.742 Matt Geen: so particularly when the the steep hill out of the village gets closed, which it does occasionally

132 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:23.630 Matt Geen: every other way out of the village gets flooded.

133 00:13:23.710 --> 00:13:27.560 Matt Geen: There are some gullies that need cleaning Somerset Council.

134 00:13:29.330 --> 00:13:38.459 Matt Geen: for the reasons we all know are not doing it. And so they're seeing what they can do themselves. And so they wanted information on gullies.

135 00:13:39.145 --> 00:13:43.120 Matt Geen: They've said there is information that they have. It's not on the map.

136 00:13:43.230 --> 00:13:45.979 Matt Geen: How do they add it? So here I am.

137 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:50.749 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right? And are you familiar with the gullies that are on the map?

138 00:13:52.405 --> 00:13:53.069 Matt Geen: I

139 00:13:53.940 --> 00:13:59.430 Matt Geen: I don't know that part of the village that well, it's a separate hamlet down the bottom of the village, so. But

140 00:13:59.650 --> 00:14:03.329 Matt Geen: there's a 2 or 3 people down there taking it upon themselves

141 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:10.439 Matt Geen: to see what they can do about clearing them and finding out about them, asking me for information from parish online.

142 00:14:10.640 --> 00:14:12.340 Matt Geen: Wish I've been sending them

143 00:14:13.012 --> 00:14:15.060 Matt Geen: and that's about as far as I

144 00:14:15.470 --> 00:14:16.390 Matt Geen: got. So

145 00:14:16.500 --> 00:14:19.719 Matt Geen: so I might not know. But I know people who do.

146 00:14:22.400 --> 00:14:30.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, the the news I have today really is to declare a triumph for John, who has been bouncing things off

147 00:14:31.070 --> 00:14:39.500 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Somerset Council, and they have indeed come back with a correction to their export of the Gully slayer to us, which is helpful.

148 00:14:41.380 --> 00:14:42.690 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which means that

149 00:14:42.950 --> 00:14:51.060 Graham Stoddart-Stones: as of this week we are able to a see the information in a table view, and B able to export it as a spreadsheet.

150 00:14:51.736 --> 00:14:56.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But see, we are not able to duplicate it to a parish layer.

151 00:14:57.420 --> 00:15:03.749 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, Tristan, if you close your ears, then I will advise people that there is a way around that.

152 00:15:05.880 --> 00:15:06.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, yes.

153 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:07.620 tristram cary: Closed.

154 00:15:07.620 --> 00:15:08.360 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

155 00:15:09.430 --> 00:15:10.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So

156 00:15:13.790 --> 00:15:19.070 Graham Stoddart-Stones: John, do you want to demonstrate gullies, or should I do it this end.

157 00:15:19.070 --> 00:15:24.480 John Roberts: Well, I I don't know your hang on! I don't know your workaround, I can tell it. I can

158 00:15:24.630 --> 00:15:26.709 John Roberts: demonstrate what we've got

159 00:15:27.380 --> 00:15:31.329 John Roberts: in regards to table view and copying individual gullies.

160 00:15:31.710 --> 00:15:35.630 John Roberts: If you've got a workaround of copying all the gullies, then fine.

161 00:15:36.368 --> 00:15:38.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Would you like to start? And then I'll write.

162 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:39.520 John Roberts: Okay.

163 00:15:39.520 --> 00:15:41.590 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Follow on where you leave off.

164 00:15:42.850 --> 00:15:43.560 John Roberts: Okay.

165 00:15:44.020 --> 00:15:45.310 John Roberts: share screen a minute.

166 00:15:45.610 --> 00:15:46.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So just

167 00:15:46.910 --> 00:15:53.059 Graham Stoddart-Stones: in case, Stroud, you're not not part of Somerset. No, Gloucestershire, aren't you? Yeah.

168 00:15:53.060 --> 00:15:53.590 Deborah Howell: Us to share.

169 00:15:53.590 --> 00:16:02.959 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So this is something, Deborah, where you can watch the principle involved. But you won't be able to do anything with it specifically, because

170 00:16:03.060 --> 00:16:11.799 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the information is exported from Somerset Council to Somerset parishes, and you, not being in Somerset, won't be able to see what we're about to show you.

171 00:16:11.800 --> 00:16:12.125 Deborah Howell: Okay.

172 00:16:12.970 --> 00:16:17.390 John Roberts: Right for for Matt's benefit you should be now looking at curry rival.

173 00:16:18.150 --> 00:16:19.870 Stuart Bacon: No, not seeing anything. John.

174 00:16:19.870 --> 00:16:21.880 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, yeah, I am. No, it's all man.

175 00:16:21.880 --> 00:16:22.460 tristram cary: Singer.

176 00:16:23.210 --> 00:16:27.720 Matt Geen: Yeah, I can see it. Yeah, I've got it on my screen as well just to understand what's going on.

177 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:29.649 John Roberts: If I turn

178 00:16:29.980 --> 00:16:30.700 John Roberts: right.

179 00:16:31.150 --> 00:16:34.030 John Roberts: Somerset layers that data sharing.

180 00:16:34.130 --> 00:16:35.590 John Roberts: But you open that one up.

181 00:16:36.520 --> 00:16:39.299 John Roberts: select gullies. It will bring up all the gullies

182 00:16:40.504 --> 00:16:45.479 John Roberts: and like most places, you've got quite a few within curry rival.

183 00:16:47.150 --> 00:16:47.890 John Roberts: No.

184 00:16:47.890 --> 00:16:49.509 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Down the bottom of the helian wick.

185 00:16:50.460 --> 00:16:56.760 Matt Geen: Wick is just to the north of the village. If you want to use that as an example, there's fewer of them as well.

186 00:16:58.980 --> 00:16:59.480 Stuart Bacon: 15 min.

187 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:00.190 Matt Geen: Kind of

188 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.200 Matt Geen: isn't right in the middle, right where your mouse is there? Yeah.

189 00:17:05.060 --> 00:17:06.490 John Roberts: Right now.

190 00:17:10.369 --> 00:17:16.529 John Roberts: Table View. First, st because I can't. I won't be able to. I don't think, be able to do Wic, but we'll see.

191 00:17:16.710 --> 00:17:18.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It'd be if it's listed as a.

192 00:17:19.210 --> 00:17:21.810 John Roberts: No, if you click on the table view.

193 00:17:24.329 --> 00:17:25.270 John Roberts: this is

194 00:17:26.670 --> 00:17:30.739 John Roberts: one of a hundred one to a hundred of that many pages.

195 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:34.059 John Roberts: so we need to bring it down

196 00:17:34.970 --> 00:17:37.750 John Roberts: so we can filter it. We're looking at gullies.

197 00:17:39.810 --> 00:17:42.960 John Roberts: and I will go down until I can find parish

198 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:46.250 John Roberts: contains.

199 00:17:46.330 --> 00:17:48.159 John Roberts: Now, if I try wic.

200 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:51.129 Matt Geen: Parrish is curry, rival.

201 00:17:51.130 --> 00:17:51.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.

202 00:17:51.760 --> 00:17:53.150 John Roberts: I get nothing.

203 00:17:53.300 --> 00:17:53.930 Matt Geen: Yeah.

204 00:17:54.290 --> 00:17:55.080 John Roberts: So I've been pract.

205 00:17:55.080 --> 00:17:55.940 Matt Geen: So you need to do

206 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.500 Matt Geen: parish parish. Yeah.

207 00:18:00.860 --> 00:18:02.070 John Roberts: Curry, rival.

208 00:18:02.070 --> 00:18:02.640 Matt Geen: Yeah.

209 00:18:03.070 --> 00:18:06.610 John Roberts: And there we have the list of all the gullies within curry rival.

210 00:18:07.630 --> 00:18:11.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's reduced it to 578. Is that, or 6.

211 00:18:11.040 --> 00:18:11.400 John Roberts: Yeah.

212 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:12.820 Stuart Bacon: 76.

213 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:18.349 John Roberts: Now, if you knew we can do it even further, if you like.

214 00:18:18.750 --> 00:18:19.989 John Roberts: Or again.

215 00:18:20.030 --> 00:18:22.969 John Roberts: we can do street names if you know the street name.

216 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.769 John Roberts: That's that's basically your list of

217 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:28.910 John Roberts: filters.

218 00:18:32.430 --> 00:18:35.380 John Roberts: Once we've got to that, we can click on export.

219 00:18:44.290 --> 00:18:46.819 John Roberts: And basically we we download it.

220 00:18:48.370 --> 00:18:49.599 John Roberts: Where's it going to put it.

221 00:18:54.230 --> 00:18:55.629 John Roberts: and then if I go.

222 00:19:02.080 --> 00:19:03.639 John Roberts: I've got to find it now.

223 00:19:05.070 --> 00:19:06.500 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's we're a bitch socket.

224 00:19:07.070 --> 00:19:07.550 John Roberts: Yeah.

225 00:19:07.550 --> 00:19:10.157 Stuart Bacon: We can only see your browser window

226 00:19:10.530 --> 00:19:11.800 John Roberts: No. Yeah.

227 00:19:12.890 --> 00:19:14.500 tristram cary: We're doing download.

228 00:19:14.860 --> 00:19:15.950 John Roberts: Can you see that one?

229 00:19:16.050 --> 00:19:17.270 John Roberts: Yeah, that'd be good.

230 00:19:17.270 --> 00:19:18.000 Stuart Bacon: I mean.

231 00:19:18.180 --> 00:19:18.900 Stuart Bacon: yeah.

232 00:19:19.410 --> 00:19:28.819 John Roberts: There, that's the excel spreadsheet of all your gullies. Now you can now edit that to take out things like nodes, or boards, or parishes, or whatever you want to do.

233 00:19:29.460 --> 00:19:32.770 John Roberts: that will give you the list of every gully within your parish.

234 00:19:34.100 --> 00:19:37.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then you could send that Matt.

235 00:19:37.220 --> 00:19:39.319 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You could send that to your

236 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:45.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The people who are going to clean up week, and at least they'll know how many to look at, or who's which one.

237 00:19:46.320 --> 00:19:47.580 John Roberts: Does that make sense.

238 00:19:48.140 --> 00:19:48.970 tristram cary: So what?

239 00:19:48.970 --> 00:19:50.769 Matt Geen: Wonderful. Yes, I'm trying here as well.

240 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:52.620 John Roberts: Tristra.

241 00:19:52.620 --> 00:19:54.586 tristram cary: Yeah, what's the restriction that

242 00:19:55.630 --> 00:19:57.469 tristram cary: that we need a workaround for.

243 00:19:57.470 --> 00:20:14.219 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We want. Right? Do so somebody like Matt or White, let's say, who is going to be looking after which Gully? Or what state. Is it in all that sort of thing, or fields that aren't there at the moment? And because this is a 3rd party there, we can't make any changes to it.

244 00:20:14.805 --> 00:20:15.390 tristram cary: So.

245 00:20:15.390 --> 00:20:21.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Need to transfer the the data that's there into a parish layer which we then have.

246 00:20:21.865 --> 00:20:23.560 tristram cary: See, I see.

247 00:20:23.560 --> 00:20:26.540 John Roberts: So at the moment if I click on a gully.

248 00:20:28.828 --> 00:20:30.139 John Roberts: Hang on a minute.

249 00:20:30.140 --> 00:20:31.449 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's right. You got it.

250 00:20:31.450 --> 00:20:32.830 John Roberts: No, no, no, it's not

251 00:20:33.300 --> 00:20:37.659 John Roberts: because I know where it'll go wrong. Right? We're now looking at Nether Stowe, which was where I am.

252 00:20:40.950 --> 00:20:42.800 John Roberts: and I'll take a gully out here.

253 00:20:46.050 --> 00:20:46.910 John Roberts: Gully.

254 00:20:47.280 --> 00:20:50.309 John Roberts: If I go up to there I can copy it to another layer.

255 00:20:52.080 --> 00:20:54.999 John Roberts: I then get a choice of layers to copy it to.

256 00:20:57.040 --> 00:20:58.999 John Roberts: and I go to John's test point.

257 00:21:02.270 --> 00:21:04.229 John Roberts: and it should come up and say, Save

258 00:21:05.290 --> 00:21:05.800 John Roberts: there you go.

259 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:07.390 tristram cary: Yeah, save.

260 00:21:08.630 --> 00:21:10.350 John Roberts: Right if I come out of there.

261 00:21:20.330 --> 00:21:21.430 John Roberts: Wow! Huh!

262 00:21:21.650 --> 00:21:22.919 Stuart Bacon: You just turn those off.

263 00:21:23.070 --> 00:21:24.020 Stuart Bacon: Yeah.

264 00:21:27.260 --> 00:21:28.990 John Roberts: That gully should have appeared there.

265 00:21:28.990 --> 00:21:30.629 Stuart Bacon: Turn the test points off. John.

266 00:21:32.010 --> 00:21:35.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, you need to go back into your parish layer and turn that layer on

267 00:21:36.600 --> 00:21:37.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones: parish lair.

268 00:21:37.940 --> 00:21:39.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Pop up. Yeah.

269 00:21:39.150 --> 00:21:40.390 John Roberts: Okay. Okay. Okay.

270 00:21:43.010 --> 00:21:44.810 John Roberts: Yeah. Sorry. My mistake.

271 00:21:44.810 --> 00:21:45.339 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No problem.

272 00:21:45.340 --> 00:21:45.860 Matt Geen: Yay!

273 00:21:45.860 --> 00:21:46.829 John Roberts: There's your color.

274 00:21:48.120 --> 00:21:49.779 John Roberts: Now the thing is.

275 00:21:52.270 --> 00:21:54.999 John Roberts: it depends what style

276 00:21:57.550 --> 00:21:59.959 John Roberts: I've got there. I've got a graphical icon.

277 00:22:01.210 --> 00:22:04.220 John Roberts: and originally I had it as a tree.

278 00:22:05.030 --> 00:22:07.349 John Roberts: So I had. I had to go through

279 00:22:08.230 --> 00:22:13.430 John Roberts: the icons to find one that I could use as a symbol for a gully. Basically.

280 00:22:14.060 --> 00:22:16.900 John Roberts: there is no symbol specifically for a gully.

281 00:22:20.070 --> 00:22:21.309 chris edwards: Of us a drain.

282 00:22:22.010 --> 00:22:24.730 John Roberts: Or I couldn't find one for a drain. But

283 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:27.909 John Roberts: you could choose whatever symbol you want. There are. There's

284 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:31.640 John Roberts: there are a load of symbols you can use.

285 00:22:31.700 --> 00:22:35.099 John Roberts: but you have to remember whatever is in the style.

286 00:22:36.870 --> 00:22:38.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Of your chosen there.

287 00:22:39.140 --> 00:22:41.209 John Roberts: Yeah, I mean, if I do that.

288 00:22:46.450 --> 00:22:51.817 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Sounds like a Friday afternoon request. Could we have a drain cover? Please.

289 00:22:53.950 --> 00:22:55.459 tristram cary: Don't you build it up.

290 00:22:55.460 --> 00:22:56.120 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There you are!

291 00:22:56.120 --> 00:22:56.710 tristram cary: Cyclist.

292 00:22:56.710 --> 00:23:08.310 John Roberts: I've now got a golly gully that signified as a bike. It's a small thing. I mean that there are enough symbols within that library that you can pick one you recognize as a gully.

293 00:23:08.310 --> 00:23:17.009 tristram cary: So so, John, you're saying you can. You have transferred that information to a parish layer? But you got to do it. 1 $1 a time. Is that what you're saying?

294 00:23:17.010 --> 00:23:19.310 John Roberts: You've got to do it one gully at a time which.

295 00:23:19.310 --> 00:23:20.129 tristram cary: That's not good.

296 00:23:20.550 --> 00:23:21.940 John Roberts: If you can appreciate.

297 00:23:21.940 --> 00:23:22.700 tristram cary: Yeah.

298 00:23:22.930 --> 00:23:23.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones: With the number.

299 00:23:23.510 --> 00:23:25.460 John Roberts: Gullies we have.

300 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:27.909 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. So if tristan

301 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:33.439 Graham Stoddart-Stones: puts his hands over his ears, I will now tell you that if you take your spreadsheet

302 00:23:33.770 --> 00:23:39.129 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and send it to [e-mail]. If they're feeling happy

303 00:23:39.230 --> 00:23:42.499 Graham Stoddart-Stones: they will import it for you into your own parish lair.

304 00:23:43.150 --> 00:23:50.599 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If they're very busy, then they won't. But if they're reasonably Friday afternoonish, then they'll import it for you.

305 00:23:50.820 --> 00:23:55.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that worked brilliantly for us in Bembridge with

306 00:23:56.770 --> 00:24:03.679 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the address base, because we wanted to know every house in Bembridge of which there are 3,000,

307 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:15.559 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so we didn't want to do it manually, but by sending the exported table to parish online. They imported it for us. It only takes them about 10 seconds, so it's very quick.

308 00:24:16.220 --> 00:24:19.950 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But of course they can't have every county in the councils, and I'm sorry

309 00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:26.049 Graham Stoddart-Stones: council in the country asking him to do it. But if this few people got one-offs and I think they'll be very happy to help out.

310 00:24:26.770 --> 00:24:27.470 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Huh?

311 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:35.089 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's the workaround. I wanted to ask Richard if he's feeling in the mood.

312 00:24:35.120 --> 00:24:41.999 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You did a brilliant job last time, Richard, of coming up with the equivalent Google map to just show what each gully looks like.

313 00:24:42.890 --> 00:24:44.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if you could apply.

314 00:24:44.270 --> 00:24:45.309 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Okay, work it.

315 00:24:45.320 --> 00:24:48.566 Stogursey Parish Clerk: work in progress. Talk amongst yourselves.

316 00:24:49.290 --> 00:24:52.519 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So let me say hello to Susan Oops. Susan's just run away again.

317 00:24:53.060 --> 00:24:54.939 Graham Stoddart-Stones: He obviously knows I'm coming.

318 00:24:56.090 --> 00:25:01.910 chris edwards: Graham, can I just mention the subject matter of gullies once again.

319 00:25:01.910 --> 00:25:04.750 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, we're still on galleys, Chris. We haven't moved away yet.

320 00:25:04.750 --> 00:25:06.549 chris edwards: Let me share my screen.

321 00:25:10.780 --> 00:25:13.680 chris edwards: Right here we go. Here's my parish.

322 00:25:14.130 --> 00:25:16.879 chris edwards: Now, if I click on gullies

323 00:25:17.010 --> 00:25:19.160 chris edwards: and table view.

324 00:25:20.810 --> 00:25:27.030 chris edwards: I found this rather interesting thing if you scroll to the right hand side.

325 00:25:31.260 --> 00:25:32.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You get the metadata.

326 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.169 chris edwards: Right somewhere up here is photos.

327 00:25:37.570 --> 00:25:38.290 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yup!

328 00:25:38.740 --> 00:25:43.200 chris edwards: Now, how on earth do I actually look at a photograph?

329 00:25:45.790 --> 00:25:48.410 chris edwards: How do I use that

330 00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:51.520 chris edwards: to identify that particular.

331 00:25:54.110 --> 00:25:59.639 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I. I have a suspicion that that's false data, because they're all exactly the same picture.

332 00:26:01.070 --> 00:26:01.570 tristram cary: Are they.

333 00:26:01.570 --> 00:26:02.990 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, no, they didn't.

334 00:26:04.430 --> 00:26:05.150 chris edwards: Different numbers.

335 00:26:05.150 --> 00:26:07.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if you go back to the main screen.

336 00:26:07.900 --> 00:26:08.969 Stuart Bacon: Becomes you, on that.

337 00:26:08.970 --> 00:26:11.769 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Are there any attachments available?

338 00:26:12.830 --> 00:26:15.220 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So go back to the global map.

339 00:26:17.890 --> 00:26:21.390 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and if you go, if you click on any one of your.

340 00:26:21.390 --> 00:26:22.730 chris edwards: Oh, sorry! Hang on.

341 00:26:24.620 --> 00:26:25.530 tristram cary: Yeah.

342 00:26:25.530 --> 00:26:26.230 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.

343 00:26:26.940 --> 00:26:29.730 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So go down as an attachment down there.

344 00:26:30.760 --> 00:26:31.450 chris edwards: No.

345 00:26:31.450 --> 00:26:35.670 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, so that that's a very interesting point. I had noticed that that's a very interesting point.

346 00:26:35.670 --> 00:26:41.809 tristram cary: But I think what that means is when Somerset transferred that database to you. They didn't include the photographs.

347 00:26:42.410 --> 00:26:46.399 tristram cary: So there's a references to photographs that are kept on on some

348 00:26:46.430 --> 00:26:47.869 tristram cary: server of their own.

349 00:26:47.990 --> 00:26:48.720 chris edwards: Hmm.

350 00:26:49.340 --> 00:26:55.720 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do. You don't think it's built into the parachute, or in their case, ex map data.

351 00:26:56.520 --> 00:27:03.169 tristram cary: Well it would be. It would open if it. If it was, surely it would be there as an attachment, or you'd be able to open the photograph.

352 00:27:03.170 --> 00:27:10.090 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I wonder if there's an export requirement to say yes to attachments, or it defaults to no

353 00:27:11.340 --> 00:27:13.549 Graham Stoddart-Stones: to be passed on when you export it.

354 00:27:14.130 --> 00:27:14.960 tristram cary: Oh, yeah.

355 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:17.350 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, if you

356 00:27:18.202 --> 00:27:24.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the the point that we were making last week was that there was no table view in gullies.

357 00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:26.400 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and we had to go back to

358 00:27:26.420 --> 00:27:35.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Somerset Council and asked them to re-export it with gullies, and they did it with try with a table view, and they did that for us in a flash, so that was very useful.

359 00:27:35.270 --> 00:27:40.410 tristram cary: So I suggest you ask them whether they, whether it would be possible for you to open the photographs because they may.

360 00:27:40.410 --> 00:27:45.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I think that's another request for John to add to this week to say.

361 00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:48.659 Graham Stoddart-Stones: could you go back to Alison, please, and ask for the attachments.

362 00:27:49.550 --> 00:27:53.739 tristram cary: And can I be clear? I'm sorry to ask this question. Maybe stupid. But when you.

363 00:27:53.970 --> 00:28:02.140 tristram cary: when you want to manipulate the data in your for your in parish and parish online, and you get you ask

364 00:28:02.150 --> 00:28:03.549 tristram cary: support to

365 00:28:04.010 --> 00:28:05.709 tristram cary: export the data for you.

366 00:28:05.930 --> 00:28:06.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yup!

367 00:28:07.311 --> 00:28:10.830 tristram cary: Is the idea, then, that you can add different

368 00:28:10.910 --> 00:28:21.329 tristram cary: features to to your that becomes a parish layer. If you want to add in more information like, who's looking after that gully sort of name and address. You can add that as a separate feature.

369 00:28:21.330 --> 00:28:22.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Correct.

370 00:28:22.310 --> 00:28:22.850 tristram cary: Like a.

371 00:28:23.930 --> 00:28:25.059 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Absolutely and and.

372 00:28:25.060 --> 00:28:26.950 tristram cary: In which case, in which case I have an idea.

373 00:28:26.950 --> 00:28:28.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And add photographs. For instance.

374 00:28:28.870 --> 00:28:31.870 tristram cary: Yeah. Well, yes, but they may be available.

375 00:28:32.070 --> 00:28:33.023 tristram cary: But if

376 00:28:34.110 --> 00:28:40.340 tristram cary: if this is a an application, if if the team you you know our Friday team has got

377 00:28:40.590 --> 00:28:46.090 tristram cary: a a really good reason for doing this, and kind of show how it how it solves the problem.

378 00:28:46.510 --> 00:28:50.130 tristram cary: Then I suggest that we should write up a

379 00:28:50.980 --> 00:29:10.930 tristram cary: story. You know, a case study. To say, this is what we're doing. This is this, is this, these are the fields, we added, and this is how it solved our problem. Then parish online would be delighted to help people download that data because they they would put it as a story in their newsletter and tell everybody else, and it would increase the value of parish online

380 00:29:11.820 --> 00:29:19.590 tristram cary: and getting back to our great collaboration discussions. You know, that's just the sort of thing I think this banter session could be doing is to say, Look, here's a really.

381 00:29:19.910 --> 00:29:28.039 tristram cary: here's an interesting thing we've discovered and and exported outside the group to other. You know all the other parish online users across the country. Yup.

382 00:29:28.331 --> 00:29:32.119 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's assuming they've got councils that will export Gully information to them. But.

383 00:29:32.120 --> 00:29:36.204 tristram cary: If they haven't, if they haven't, I mean part of part of the part of the

384 00:29:37.110 --> 00:29:41.710 tristram cary: part of the case study would be, you know we had to go to our country to ask them to export it.

385 00:29:41.710 --> 00:29:42.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes.

386 00:29:42.150 --> 00:29:53.199 tristram cary: If they've got a case study that's shown that's useful. That'll help you. Surely that would help other districts and counties to say, Oh, it's okay, we, we understand why the data is valuable. Let's let's make it available.

387 00:29:53.570 --> 00:30:00.690 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I would say in the meantime, whilst we've got people online that of course it's always possible.

388 00:30:01.050 --> 00:30:05.521 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, it isn't. I changed that sorry because you can't edit the data. And you

389 00:30:06.250 --> 00:30:08.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones: it's gonna say they could perhaps re

390 00:30:09.070 --> 00:30:14.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: purpose one of the fields. It's already there and change it to something else. But I don't think that's a good idea, because you can't edit.

391 00:30:14.810 --> 00:30:15.130 tristram cary: You too.

392 00:30:15.130 --> 00:30:18.909 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The 3rd party record. So no, the the point is, let's

393 00:30:18.940 --> 00:30:23.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: get it into a parish layer so that you could amend it.

394 00:30:24.560 --> 00:30:27.369 Stogursey Parish Clerk: If Chris stop sharing Google boys ready with a phone.

395 00:30:27.707 --> 00:30:28.720 chris edwards: Just one second

396 00:30:29.550 --> 00:30:37.050 chris edwards: table view. If you look at this column here complete. D, this is an interesting set of dates.

397 00:30:38.060 --> 00:30:45.319 chris edwards: Go going back back to this gully, using it was inspected in 2,017,

398 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.559 chris edwards: and then more lately 2,021.

399 00:30:48.850 --> 00:30:51.929 chris edwards: Because I think it's done every 4 years, is it not

400 00:30:53.120 --> 00:30:54.010 chris edwards: the government.

401 00:30:54.010 --> 00:30:56.109 tristram cary: What does complete d mean? Chris?

402 00:30:57.550 --> 00:30:58.950 chris edwards: Well, I'm expecting.

403 00:30:58.950 --> 00:30:59.350 tristram cary: Shouldn't think.

404 00:30:59.350 --> 00:31:01.440 chris edwards: That this is when it was last

405 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.080 chris edwards: cleared or empty.

406 00:31:03.080 --> 00:31:03.460 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, yeah.

407 00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:04.230 chris edwards: I think.

408 00:31:04.230 --> 00:31:09.249 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Complete. D is complete day as opposed to complete t, which is complete time.

409 00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:10.600 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.

410 00:31:11.350 --> 00:31:14.010 Matt Geen: They're supposed to do them every 2 years. Apparently.

411 00:31:14.530 --> 00:31:17.570 Matt Geen: when you look at these dates, you think

412 00:31:17.770 --> 00:31:18.850 Matt Geen: like no.

413 00:31:19.780 --> 00:31:20.390 chris edwards: Hmm.

414 00:31:20.600 --> 00:31:21.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But of course.

415 00:31:21.030 --> 00:31:22.999 Matt Geen: We chased up these wick gullies with

416 00:31:23.660 --> 00:31:24.749 Matt Geen: with high rise.

417 00:31:25.040 --> 00:31:26.650 Matt Geen: or whoever does it.

418 00:31:26.650 --> 00:31:28.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, some of them were done.

419 00:31:28.020 --> 00:31:28.400 Matt Geen: Of a sudden.

420 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:30.609 Graham Stoddart-Stones: 19, which would be the 2 year level.

421 00:31:31.570 --> 00:31:33.560 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There is a 2019 there.

422 00:31:33.850 --> 00:31:36.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones: if you sort in that.

423 00:31:36.180 --> 00:31:36.960 tristram cary: It is again.

424 00:31:37.170 --> 00:31:37.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Chris.

425 00:31:37.790 --> 00:31:38.279 chris edwards: What? Yeah.

426 00:31:38.280 --> 00:31:41.939 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Go up. And can you go up and click on complete D, and therefore sorted?

427 00:31:42.370 --> 00:31:43.120 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.

428 00:31:43.520 --> 00:31:47.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So now you can see where we change from 17 to 19.

429 00:31:49.930 --> 00:31:53.945 chris edwards: We've got 271 gullies in our place.

430 00:31:54.990 --> 00:31:56.469 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Need to go to the next page.

431 00:32:01.760 --> 00:32:03.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and I know there was some.

432 00:32:03.210 --> 00:32:04.469 chris edwards: There you are! 21.

433 00:32:04.470 --> 00:32:07.119 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But if you go back up a bit I think you've gone too far.

434 00:32:07.120 --> 00:32:08.719 tristram cary: That's already. 3 years ago.

435 00:32:08.910 --> 00:32:11.949 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, yeah, but there was. There was a 19 there, definitely.

436 00:32:12.300 --> 00:32:13.340 chris edwards: Yeah, I remember, yeah.

437 00:32:13.340 --> 00:32:16.229 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There it is. Yeah, look at those at least 2 of them.

438 00:32:17.490 --> 00:32:20.140 tristram cary: Why is 1919 so good? That's 5 years ago.

439 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:21.550 chris edwards: Yeah, quite.

440 00:32:21.550 --> 00:32:21.940 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Like.

441 00:32:21.940 --> 00:32:29.060 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. But this 2017, wasn't. It was the 1st lot was 2017, so they haven't been done in what 7 years.

442 00:32:29.370 --> 00:32:29.950 chris edwards: Yep.

443 00:32:31.840 --> 00:32:34.550 chris edwards: hey, Richard, I'm gonna hand back to you now.

444 00:32:35.070 --> 00:32:36.439 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Thank you very much

445 00:32:39.840 --> 00:32:41.640 Stogursey Parish Clerk: when I find my cursor

446 00:32:54.600 --> 00:32:57.209 Stogursey Parish Clerk: you have on your screen, or you should have

447 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.080 Stogursey Parish Clerk: an example of a single gully

448 00:33:00.553 --> 00:33:04.216 Stogursey Parish Clerk: in a parish well known at the day. Oh, curry! Rival!

449 00:33:05.493 --> 00:33:06.300 tristram cary: That's just.

450 00:33:06.580 --> 00:33:08.100 Stogursey Parish Clerk: That's a single gully.

451 00:33:08.910 --> 00:33:10.760 Matt Geen: So how did you find that photo.

452 00:33:11.430 --> 00:33:13.750 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Oh, so I couldn't possibly say

453 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.209 Stogursey Parish Clerk: if you want. If you want to see through.

454 00:33:16.210 --> 00:33:17.319 tristram cary: Really impressive.

455 00:33:18.350 --> 00:33:22.134 Stogursey Parish Clerk: If you want to see, it's Google Street View, but he's close.

456 00:33:22.790 --> 00:33:24.040 Stogursey Parish Clerk: 3 in a row

457 00:33:24.270 --> 00:33:25.700 Stogursey Parish Clerk: on the pub opposite.

458 00:33:26.230 --> 00:33:28.509 chris edwards: Is that your car in the top?

459 00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:30.830 chris edwards: It's a photograph map.

460 00:33:32.090 --> 00:33:32.760 Stogursey Parish Clerk: No.

461 00:33:33.150 --> 00:33:35.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Parked illegally in a bus. Stop.

462 00:33:35.430 --> 00:33:38.740 Matt Geen: Yes, yes, indeed, it was. Probably. I think it's moving to be fair.

463 00:33:40.620 --> 00:33:43.820 tristram cary: It's on the right side of the road. He obviously hasn't had too much to drink.

464 00:33:44.370 --> 00:33:44.920 Matt Geen: Right?

465 00:33:44.930 --> 00:33:47.460 Matt Geen: Yes. So how did you get those

466 00:33:47.610 --> 00:33:50.700 Matt Geen: positions into street view?

467 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:53.670 Matt Geen: It's always.

468 00:33:53.670 --> 00:33:55.370 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Just a matter of going to the map

469 00:33:55.740 --> 00:34:00.370 Stogursey Parish Clerk: and and and then clicking on the little band down in the corner down over here.

470 00:34:00.850 --> 00:34:03.250 Matt Geen: Know to use Street View.

471 00:34:03.250 --> 00:34:03.960 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Did you?

472 00:34:04.430 --> 00:34:05.020 Stogursey Parish Clerk: So you.

473 00:34:05.020 --> 00:34:07.210 Matt Geen: You literally went into street view.

474 00:34:07.510 --> 00:34:08.199 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Yeah.

475 00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:12.369 Matt Geen: So you literally went into Google Maps and found it by R, you didn't

476 00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:14.419 Matt Geen: transfer a position.

477 00:34:14.429 --> 00:34:15.179 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Correct.

478 00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:17.939 Stogursey Parish Clerk: No, just all by all by eye.

479 00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:19.440 Matt Geen: See the shadow of the Google camera.

480 00:34:19.449 --> 00:34:19.809 chris edwards: Yeah.

481 00:34:20.060 --> 00:34:20.960 tristram cary: That's right.

482 00:34:20.969 --> 00:34:21.769 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But then.

483 00:34:21.770 --> 00:34:23.170 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Your hedge needs cut in.

484 00:34:23.179 --> 00:34:25.299 tristram cary: Yeah. Very obscure roadside.

485 00:34:25.300 --> 00:34:28.140 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's a useful thought, Matt. If you've got

486 00:34:28.219 --> 00:34:39.280 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the data sitting in a parish layer, you could then do a screenshot from Google Maps and add that photograph to your appropriate gully record in your parish layer.

487 00:34:39.510 --> 00:34:40.480 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I mean.

488 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.400 chris edwards: Fresh online layers have got the coordinates.

489 00:34:44.170 --> 00:34:44.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Correct.

490 00:34:44.610 --> 00:34:46.535 Matt Geen: That's what I was saying.

491 00:34:47.909 --> 00:34:50.129 chris edwards: Each one will have its own coordinate.

492 00:34:50.460 --> 00:34:52.649 Matt Geen: That that was my question is, how

493 00:34:52.929 --> 00:34:59.390 Matt Geen: how can you get those coordinates? Because you've got different projections, etc, etc, etc.

494 00:34:59.390 --> 00:35:02.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, the projection doesn't determine its its location in.

495 00:35:02.580 --> 00:35:03.300 Matt Geen: We've got X,

496 00:35:03.830 --> 00:35:06.130 Matt Geen: so we've got center X and y.

497 00:35:06.130 --> 00:35:07.630 chris edwards: So it's okay.

498 00:35:07.630 --> 00:35:08.430 Matt Geen: The

499 00:35:09.600 --> 00:35:11.475 Matt Geen: British National Gridex.

500 00:35:12.230 --> 00:35:13.209 Matt Geen: yeah, there we go.

501 00:35:13.210 --> 00:35:14.950 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, they're Bng records.

502 00:35:14.950 --> 00:35:19.570 Matt Geen: That's right. So how do I get those Bng coordinates into

503 00:35:19.610 --> 00:35:22.290 Matt Geen: Google Maps? Was my question.

504 00:35:22.290 --> 00:35:23.710 chris edwards: You? Would you need to.

505 00:35:24.450 --> 00:35:24.950 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Oh!

506 00:35:24.950 --> 00:35:25.480 Matt Geen: It makes.

507 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:25.900 Stogursey Parish Clerk: We're.

508 00:35:25.900 --> 00:35:27.510 Matt Geen: What you just did a bit easier.

509 00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:28.969 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We did.

510 00:35:29.770 --> 00:35:30.310 Graham Stoddart-Stones: but.

511 00:35:30.310 --> 00:35:37.990 tristram cary: Yeah, I can see I can see exactly the point. You have an automatic routine. It should take the photograph, the correct photograph for all those points.

512 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.720 chris edwards: I mean. Here, here's the road names.

513 00:35:41.690 --> 00:35:44.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, according to Chris, they've all got photographs on them, anyway.

514 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:47.300 tristram cary: Oh, yeah. Well, we haven't.

515 00:35:47.300 --> 00:35:48.189 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Question is that John.

516 00:35:48.190 --> 00:35:48.670 tristram cary: Yes, yes.

517 00:35:48.670 --> 00:35:50.880 Graham Stoddart-Stones: See if we can get them fixed. I guess.

518 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:51.450 tristram cary: No.

519 00:35:51.450 --> 00:35:54.489 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Tis interesting. I mean, I hadn't even noticed that this big shot.

520 00:35:54.490 --> 00:35:59.139 chris edwards: And look, look at this! Look at this heading. Silk defect

521 00:35:59.270 --> 00:36:01.180 chris edwards: leaves none.

522 00:36:02.700 --> 00:36:04.630 chris edwards: excessive debris.

523 00:36:04.670 --> 00:36:06.840 chris edwards: All sorts of comments.

524 00:36:07.390 --> 00:36:10.380 Graham Stoddart-Stones: When you think it's it's rather going to be out of date within a day or so.

525 00:36:11.013 --> 00:36:12.279 chris edwards: Of course.

526 00:36:12.560 --> 00:36:15.739 tristram cary: Yeah, that's came back to 2,017. It's not much yesterday.

527 00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:19.210 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So.

528 00:36:19.210 --> 00:36:22.039 chris edwards: Here's here's the latest ones.

529 00:36:23.010 --> 00:36:30.470 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Rather sadly. I had hoped that Chedd Zoy would be here today so they could find out how to do all this, and say with the one that asked the question. In the 1st place.

530 00:36:30.620 --> 00:36:31.509 John Roberts: I did email.

531 00:36:31.510 --> 00:36:32.120 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Look.

532 00:36:32.430 --> 00:36:34.030 Stogursey Parish Clerk: they can watch the video.

533 00:36:34.200 --> 00:36:37.780 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Absolutely. That's the whole reason we do this.

534 00:36:37.780 --> 00:36:40.380 tristram cary: What condition buried on arrival or surname.

535 00:36:44.580 --> 00:36:45.330 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Tarmac was.

536 00:36:45.330 --> 00:36:47.529 tristram cary: Is that the inspector or the cover.

537 00:36:50.630 --> 00:36:52.710 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, instead of doa, he's boa.

538 00:36:54.970 --> 00:36:55.620 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's

539 00:36:56.820 --> 00:37:01.500 Graham Stoddart-Stones: okay. Well, let's check with Susan whether you've arrived with a question, Susan.

540 00:37:01.930 --> 00:37:04.530 Susan McKeown: Hello! Sorry I was a bit late.

541 00:37:05.272 --> 00:37:07.170 Susan McKeown: Didn't that gully

542 00:37:07.955 --> 00:37:16.040 Susan McKeown: information is really interesting. Obviously, I missed a bit. You've obviously put it on a parish layer.

543 00:37:16.060 --> 00:37:19.370 Susan McKeown: It's not in one of the is that right?

544 00:37:19.370 --> 00:37:20.750 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Not quite no.

545 00:37:21.180 --> 00:37:22.889 Susan McKeown: Okay. So we were.

546 00:37:22.890 --> 00:37:26.279 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Exported by Somerset County.

547 00:37:26.670 --> 00:37:27.330 Susan McKeown: So you.

548 00:37:27.330 --> 00:37:29.550 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So many Somerset people that can see it.

549 00:37:30.380 --> 00:37:32.620 Susan McKeown: So Somerset County Council

550 00:37:32.640 --> 00:37:41.859 Susan McKeown: gave you a file. Did you ask for a specific format, or you just took their format that they have got. And then you put those items.

551 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:43.740 Susan McKeown: Yeah.

552 00:37:44.240 --> 00:37:52.985 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So excuse me, you're not going about this quite the right way. The information doesn't come to us. The information goes to geosphere.

553 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Who put it into parish online on our behalf.

554 00:37:57.240 --> 00:37:58.520 Susan McKeown: Oh, right!

555 00:37:58.660 --> 00:37:59.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So

556 00:37:59.660 --> 00:38:07.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones: funnily enough. That's a very nice segue into the next item that I was going to cover. But let me check. In the meantime, if you have any other questions.

557 00:38:07.470 --> 00:38:08.160 Susan McKeown: Okay.

558 00:38:09.720 --> 00:38:12.169 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So. Did you have any other question?

559 00:38:13.180 --> 00:38:15.950 Susan McKeown: No, no, I'm interested in the gullies, so.

560 00:38:15.950 --> 00:38:21.099 tristram cary: Yeah, I'm sorry I'm still, I've got still a question on the gullies, if I may. Is.

561 00:38:21.140 --> 00:38:26.280 tristram cary: whose responsibility is it to to check and inspect these gutters and maintain them.

562 00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:27.900 tristram cary: It's not the parishes, is it?

563 00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:29.799 chris edwards: The County Council.

564 00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:31.710 tristram cary: County Councils, so.

565 00:38:31.910 --> 00:38:36.179 Graham Stoddart-Stones: One of the reasons for the great interest is that Somerset is so short of money

566 00:38:36.200 --> 00:38:39.320 Graham Stoddart-Stones: that it's likely to come down to the parish level anyway.

567 00:38:40.030 --> 00:38:40.450 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Volunteer.

568 00:38:40.450 --> 00:38:44.330 tristram cary: By by default, or by by well.

569 00:38:44.330 --> 00:38:46.429 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You think, think about it, that the the

570 00:38:46.940 --> 00:38:55.459 Graham Stoddart-Stones: or, in our case, the unitary, has statutory duties that they must perform? Yeah. And then the others are optional.

571 00:38:55.510 --> 00:39:02.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and the optional ones are the ones that they're obviously having to dump because they haven't got the money to even pay for the statutory ones, which is.

572 00:39:02.650 --> 00:39:07.120 tristram cary: Yeah. But have they formally have have they formally dumped the dollies? One.

573 00:39:07.350 --> 00:39:08.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Not yet.

574 00:39:08.190 --> 00:39:10.310 tristram cary: But they suspect they're going to.

575 00:39:10.310 --> 00:39:13.890 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or you suspect we're going to fire the people that look after them.

576 00:39:14.390 --> 00:39:14.870 Susan McKeown: Goodbye!

577 00:39:14.870 --> 00:39:15.570 tristram cary: Question was.

578 00:39:15.570 --> 00:39:16.040 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's 4.

579 00:39:16.040 --> 00:39:16.500 tristram cary: My question.

580 00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:21.209 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Redundancies coming up on top of the 195 they've already had so.

581 00:39:21.430 --> 00:39:32.199 Susan McKeown: But but do your local authority, if they do pass anything over to the Parish Council to a Parish council, will have to initially give them funding to.

582 00:39:32.580 --> 00:39:33.479 John Roberts: You know.

583 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:35.330 chris edwards: No, no.

584 00:39:35.670 --> 00:39:36.310 John Roberts: Also.

585 00:39:36.310 --> 00:39:38.576 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Welcome to the volunteer market.

586 00:39:39.030 --> 00:39:39.640 Susan McKeown: Hmm.

587 00:39:40.020 --> 00:39:43.510 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which is what Matt was saying is gonna happen in week. Right? The the volunteer

588 00:39:44.070 --> 00:39:45.529 Graham Stoddart-Stones: down to clear the drains.

589 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:46.630 tristram cary: Bye, bye.

590 00:39:46.630 --> 00:39:47.130 Susan McKeown: I know.

591 00:39:47.130 --> 00:39:47.450 John Roberts: I see.

592 00:39:47.450 --> 00:40:01.239 Susan McKeown: Thing. When we're doing grass cutting. We've negotiated with the local authority that we will take over the grass, but they pay us a sum of money, not all of it, but they do pay us some of it. So I would imagine that that would be the tack

593 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:07.390 Susan McKeown: that they would do if you are looking after the gullies. If he comes down to parish councils.

594 00:40:07.890 --> 00:40:13.179 John Roberts: Basically, Susan, what is happening in Somerset is because they're so short of money.

595 00:40:13.450 --> 00:40:18.309 John Roberts: They are devolving responsibilities down to the towns and parishes

596 00:40:19.316 --> 00:40:24.280 John Roberts: and the towns and parishes are putting up their precepts

597 00:40:24.580 --> 00:40:27.429 John Roberts: in order to cover what's being devolved down.

598 00:40:28.070 --> 00:40:35.550 John Roberts: They are move. They're moving the responsibilities. But in very, very few cases. Are they moving the money that goes with it?

599 00:40:37.210 --> 00:40:46.659 Susan McKeown: I think I would argue that they would have to put not all of them, but they would have to transfer.

600 00:40:46.660 --> 00:40:51.074 John Roberts: You can argue, you can argue as long as you like. You're not gonna get it.

601 00:40:51.350 --> 00:41:03.800 Susan McKeown: Yeah, I know. Yeah, I mean, what is it? Why they're doing? That is because they are limited on how much they can put their rates up.

602 00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:04.570 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We can put.

603 00:41:04.570 --> 00:41:04.950 Susan McKeown: Out, of.

604 00:41:04.950 --> 00:41:05.510 John Roberts: So it's.

605 00:41:05.510 --> 00:41:06.289 Susan McKeown: I'm a set.

606 00:41:06.630 --> 00:41:10.079 John Roberts: Somerset are within a whisker of declaring. Section 1, 1, 4.

607 00:41:11.770 --> 00:41:13.239 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So there is no money.

608 00:41:13.460 --> 00:41:17.930 John Roberts: And you've got 400 nod people at the moment who are going through

609 00:41:17.990 --> 00:41:21.100 John Roberts: formal discussions on redundancy.

610 00:41:22.040 --> 00:41:24.610 John Roberts: They literally have not got the money.

611 00:41:25.520 --> 00:41:26.560 John Roberts: and

612 00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:32.010 John Roberts: some towns are taking on things like sports, centers, parks, and everything else.

613 00:41:32.240 --> 00:41:36.739 John Roberts: We, as a rural village, have taken on the grass, cutting, and main.

614 00:41:36.740 --> 00:41:37.100 Susan McKeown: Yeah.

615 00:41:37.100 --> 00:41:38.140 John Roberts: In that respect.

616 00:41:38.550 --> 00:41:39.579 John Roberts: Do you get any.

617 00:41:39.580 --> 00:41:40.719 Susan McKeown: Grass cutting.

618 00:41:40.940 --> 00:41:41.660 Susan McKeown: Nope.

619 00:41:41.970 --> 00:41:45.289 Susan McKeown: we do, we do. We do.

620 00:41:45.290 --> 00:41:48.510 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Aren't you? Aren't you lucky? You've still got a council with money.

621 00:41:48.510 --> 00:41:50.649 John Roberts: I envy, I envy you.

622 00:41:51.370 --> 00:41:56.870 Susan McKeown: It doesn't cover all of it. I'm not saying it covers, but it covers probably 60%.

623 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:00.520 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Anything helps.

624 00:42:02.060 --> 00:42:02.730 tristram cary: Great Great.

625 00:42:03.107 --> 00:42:06.499 Susan McKeown: Only on their verges, obviously grass cutting for us

626 00:42:06.550 --> 00:42:13.239 Susan McKeown: as a parish in our on our land. Obviously we pay for itself, but the grass, cutting on verges

627 00:42:13.560 --> 00:42:16.809 Susan McKeown: and visibility displays. They pay us.

628 00:42:17.010 --> 00:42:19.610 Susan McKeown: they still have a responsibility.

629 00:42:20.260 --> 00:42:24.989 John Roberts: They have a statutory responsibility for visibility. Splays and highway verges.

630 00:42:24.990 --> 00:42:25.340 Susan McKeown: Yeah.

631 00:42:25.340 --> 00:42:30.429 John Roberts: Which in a lot of cases, Somerset are still doing. But they're doing the bare minimum.

632 00:42:31.212 --> 00:42:34.290 John Roberts: The rest of the grass cutting away from that

633 00:42:34.620 --> 00:42:37.039 John Roberts: is, down to the towns and parishes. Now.

634 00:42:37.370 --> 00:42:43.360 Susan McKeown: Yeah, that's that's true. But but they have a response responsibility on the highway

635 00:42:44.020 --> 00:42:50.200 Susan McKeown: to do grass cutting. And that's why I'm saying. And they have a responsibility on the highways to clean the gullies.

636 00:42:50.590 --> 00:42:57.710 Susan McKeown: So you know, that's what I'm saying, you know, with responsibility. If they're passing it over, comes

637 00:42:58.750 --> 00:42:59.480 Susan McKeown: so.

638 00:42:59.860 --> 00:43:17.120 tristram cary: But can I stick on gullies in it? It's it's it's all very well passing. It's all very well passing a statutory responsibility to a parish to say you've got to look after the gullies, and I can see that the parish could do that. If it's a matter of clearing debris from the from the gully. But supposing the gullies broken, or supposing the.

639 00:43:17.120 --> 00:43:17.939 Susan McKeown: It's booked.

640 00:43:18.230 --> 00:43:21.410 tristram cary: You haven't got. You, presumably haven't got the skills to to do that job.

641 00:43:21.410 --> 00:43:22.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hang on, Tristan!

642 00:43:22.190 --> 00:43:22.670 John Roberts: Jobs.

643 00:43:22.670 --> 00:43:28.289 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We very carefully said that the statutory duties have not yet been devolved to the.

644 00:43:28.290 --> 00:43:32.170 tristram cary: But if if they if they are, you're saying it's going to happen.

645 00:43:32.170 --> 00:43:33.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, we're saying.

646 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:34.610 John Roberts: No.

647 00:43:35.150 --> 00:43:38.579 tristram cary: I thought you said if they rans money against divorce.

648 00:43:38.580 --> 00:43:44.750 John Roberts: Basically what's happening within Somerset. They then they they can't get out of their statute responsibilities. You are quite correct.

649 00:43:44.970 --> 00:43:49.380 John Roberts: but they can stretch the time limit to its absolute maximum when they do the job.

650 00:43:49.650 --> 00:43:50.030 Susan McKeown: Yeah.

651 00:43:50.030 --> 00:43:50.620 Matt Geen: And.

652 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:52.770 John Roberts: Video.

653 00:43:52.770 --> 00:43:53.430 tristram cary: No.

654 00:43:53.430 --> 00:43:58.120 John Roberts: So, if you, if you like, curry, rival, or indeed, like Nether Stowe, where I live.

655 00:43:58.150 --> 00:44:00.720 John Roberts: and you get gullies that are blocked.

656 00:44:01.340 --> 00:44:06.850 John Roberts: You then have to notify them what's happening, and everything else, and hope that they will come out and fix it.

657 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:08.870 tristram cary: And do they?

658 00:44:11.340 --> 00:44:11.990 tristram cary: I'm not gonna.

659 00:44:11.990 --> 00:44:13.699 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Rush to do most things, so.

660 00:44:14.603 --> 00:44:16.409 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It, it.

661 00:44:16.410 --> 00:44:20.209 John Roberts: Much depends on who you talk to and what the situation is.

662 00:44:20.210 --> 00:44:33.990 tristram cary: Can I come back to? Can I? Can I come back to the point I was making before about parish online and managing, managing the support from geosphere. I think I think it would be hugely beneficial if

663 00:44:34.080 --> 00:44:58.949 tristram cary: if we we could explain why it is that the parish needs this data, and if at the moment the statutory responsibility is still with the the County Council. You know, Chris is going to say, Well, okay. But why? Why is this so important? You know, why? Why do they need photographs and all this data in parish online? But if you could, if we could, if we could say. The reason we need it is because we want to pull up the the County Council, and it hasn't. You know it hasn't

664 00:44:58.950 --> 00:45:19.829 tristram cary: clear the check. The gully within 2 years, or we want it as a way to report problems, or whatever it is, you know, and there's a useful purpose. Then I think, then I think that would be really interesting to make a case study of that. And I then think the parish online would support you in transferring that data to make to make parish layers for all, for all parishes.

665 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:21.059 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay? Trouble.

666 00:45:21.060 --> 00:45:24.080 Stogursey Parish Clerk: The trouble the parishes are having down here. Tristam, is that

667 00:45:24.518 --> 00:45:36.760 Stogursey Parish Clerk: we're being asked, and have been for some time sort of start looking at stuff. You know, there's the thought line about signs, lines, gullies, whatever you want to call it. But of course, without the data knowing where they are.

668 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:54.349 Stogursey Parish Clerk: That means people have got a tropes round 25 miles worth of parish roads trying to find the bleeding things. That's why we needed the Gully layer. That's why we need the footpath layer. That's why we need where the bins are and where the unitary assets are. But of course, after time they haven't got the information themselves.

669 00:45:54.750 --> 00:46:04.049 tristram cary: Yeah. But, Richard, isn't it true that you've got the with with what you've got now without making a parish lair? You've got the information in parish online that tells you where they are, and you've got a map of them.

670 00:46:04.870 --> 00:46:07.719 Stogursey Parish Clerk: We have we have now. Yes, but that's.

671 00:46:07.720 --> 00:46:09.779 tristram cary: So the question is, why do you.

672 00:46:10.490 --> 00:46:26.529 Stogursey Parish Clerk: That's where this step was. For today. We've moved on to be able to move that data into parent into a a parish layer. So then you can look at when you last. When we last last looked at it, what state it was in blah blah to be able to argue then, when it was last dealt with.

673 00:46:26.530 --> 00:46:40.309 tristram cary: Okay. But you understand my point. I'm not. I'm not sure it's obvious why you need that next step. But I think if you could explain it in a you know sort of you know, a case study. That's that's agreed by this group of parishes that would be really useful because it would guide.

674 00:46:40.350 --> 00:46:45.160 tristram cary: I would guide Chris and the team to say, Yes, actually, this is useful. Let's do it everywhere.

675 00:46:45.160 --> 00:46:59.239 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So let's ask Matt, who's the one that is keen on, for instance, looking at Wix gullies and being able to assign people to them. Matt, would you be writing with the spreadsheet, saying, Could you please import these into my parish layer for me?

676 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:10.279 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because if you do, then this would be a great time for you to say, I need you to do this because and then explain it, which is what Tristan's asking for.

677 00:47:10.690 --> 00:47:14.639 Matt Geen: Yes, the problem with that. Is that what you've explained to me

678 00:47:15.270 --> 00:47:17.599 Matt Geen: to do so far? Really.

679 00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:26.250 Matt Geen: I think, achieves what I need to know at the moment which is, or what I need to do, which is to give a complete list of gullies with all the information.

680 00:47:26.390 --> 00:47:26.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Roll up.

681 00:47:26.790 --> 00:47:29.220 Matt Geen: The guys down in the hamlet of Wick.

682 00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:34.790 Matt Geen: I suppose once.

683 00:47:34.990 --> 00:47:44.339 Matt Geen: if or once they start doing something, then it would be useful, maybe, to have our own layer, so we can add in our own information, to say what they've done.

684 00:47:44.860 --> 00:47:45.550 Matt Geen: That's a lot.

685 00:47:45.550 --> 00:47:47.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'll write up the case, study for.

686 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:47.810 Matt Geen: Yes.

687 00:47:47.810 --> 00:47:49.839 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, we can find something.

688 00:47:50.020 --> 00:47:53.189 Matt Geen: Yes, that's right, but at present I can't think of a

689 00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:55.050 Matt Geen: compelling reason

690 00:47:55.570 --> 00:48:00.679 Matt Geen: why they should do it. We need, I need to get to the next stage and see what happens.

691 00:48:00.680 --> 00:48:16.800 tristram cary: Graham. I also thank you. Thank you, Matt, but I also suggest, Graham, that as we do it, we should try to. You know we should have a draft 1st internally, to this group, circulate that draft so that people can add to it, and then it becomes a more informed, you know a better case. I think that would really help.

692 00:48:17.420 --> 00:48:21.339 Graham Stoddart-Stones: We'll certainly have a lot more weight with geosphere if he doesn't have my signature on it.

693 00:48:23.575 --> 00:48:39.780 tristram cary: That's right, the troublemakers. But you know it's reminding me it's am I jumping the queue here? I don't know, but it's reminded me of the other thing that came up a few months ago about about somebody asked for Band D, or the the residential housing. What tax bracket they were, in

694 00:48:39.860 --> 00:48:55.729 tristram cary: what Council tax bracket? And Chris came back with the question. So why do you want to know that I'm not going to waste my time putting that in or trying to get that information unless I know why. And I think we now know why, because, or one reason, anyway, because there are a lot of grants that are linked to

695 00:48:56.120 --> 00:49:17.979 tristram cary: the Council tax bracket and Cpc things. So we've now got a reason for that. And we get, you know, we're we're busy writing that up in in my solar energy group. You know, to try to try to make the case again, because in the end you can imagine we're gonna have 50 cases, and we can only do one at a time. So we need a sort of prioritization and understanding of why it's important.

696 00:49:18.630 --> 00:49:19.440 tristram cary: Yep.

697 00:49:19.900 --> 00:49:20.540 tristram cary: Thank you.

698 00:49:21.070 --> 00:49:21.800 Helen Davey: May I also.

699 00:49:22.302 --> 00:49:23.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, hey? Helen?

700 00:49:24.930 --> 00:49:32.719 Helen Davey: looking at the picture with all the little blue dots for the gullies. If you wanted to make them all have a

701 00:49:33.130 --> 00:49:40.359 Helen Davey: a picture. Would you have to do them all separately, or could you use one? And that would change them all into that thing?

702 00:49:40.690 --> 00:49:43.920 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Provided it's a parish layer.

703 00:49:44.070 --> 00:49:47.279 Graham Stoddart-Stones: you can make one change, and it covers all the records.

704 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:48.170 Helen Davey: Thank you.

705 00:49:48.170 --> 00:49:50.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But you can't do anything with a 3rd party. There.

706 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:51.849 Helen Davey: No, no.

707 00:49:53.370 --> 00:50:01.277 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So let me move on if I may. If there aren't any other questions that people are desperate to ask, I don't see any hands raised or big grins.

708 00:50:02.020 --> 00:50:14.220 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the natural question will come from somebody that if we need a lot more information from the councils, then how do we get that data from them into parish online.

709 00:50:14.470 --> 00:50:18.470 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And this is a topic where I have

710 00:50:18.937 --> 00:50:26.019 Graham Stoddart-Stones: slightly misled Helen in the past. So let me go over it now for everybody, so that it's clear in on our minds.

711 00:50:26.460 --> 00:50:29.211 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if I share my screen

712 00:50:30.230 --> 00:50:33.020 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and I go into parish online.

713 00:50:34.430 --> 00:50:36.009 Graham Stoddart-Stones: triple is there?

714 00:50:42.730 --> 00:50:44.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Everything's not up.

715 00:50:45.640 --> 00:50:46.919 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Bear with me a second.

716 00:51:02.680 --> 00:51:04.569 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So there is a

717 00:51:04.620 --> 00:51:13.930 Graham Stoddart-Stones: format to be a protocol to be followed in order to make sure that we do get the information from the councils down into parish online.

718 00:51:14.150 --> 00:51:17.966 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And let me just move your pictures because you're all in the way.

719 00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:28.609 Graham Stoddart-Stones: up here in the top right hand corner of parish online, you click on the cogwheel and select the help and support support option which you could see if I got there.

720 00:51:30.170 --> 00:51:33.200 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if you go in and type in the search box

721 00:51:33.210 --> 00:51:34.840 Graham Stoddart-Stones: council data.

722 00:51:36.630 --> 00:51:40.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: then up comes this, how you get requests for council data.

723 00:51:40.830 --> 00:51:49.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and I'm going to go through this step by step, because this is where I've gone wrong in the past. So there are 3 options that you have

724 00:51:49.650 --> 00:52:01.339 Graham Stoddart-Stones: to get data into parish online, and the 1st one they want you to do is to check to see whether the council that you're interested in is already publishing the data that you want

725 00:52:01.410 --> 00:52:04.029 Graham Stoddart-Stones: in an open data format.

726 00:52:04.500 --> 00:52:10.670 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and they give you the address there. The www.data.gov.uk slash search address.

727 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:16.300 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which enables you to find out whether your county is indeed publishing anything.

728 00:52:16.900 --> 00:52:19.789 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if I click on this for you.

729 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:31.429 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and you hear you're in the right place, and then you say so? Who is the publisher? That's the name of your council. So you would type in here, just for instance, Somerset.

730 00:52:33.010 --> 00:52:34.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: you could spell

731 00:52:35.030 --> 00:52:37.120 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and Somerset capsule.

732 00:52:37.200 --> 00:52:38.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's there.

733 00:52:38.680 --> 00:52:40.490 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then you apply the filter.

734 00:52:41.180 --> 00:52:49.769 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and they are putting out this information at the moment in an open data format. So if you wanted tree preservation orders in

735 00:52:49.990 --> 00:52:54.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones: parish online. And, by the way, they're already there. But I'm just giving you this as an example.

736 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:56.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You could click on this.

737 00:52:57.310 --> 00:52:59.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You come up with a URL,

738 00:53:00.210 --> 00:53:01.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which is this one up here?

739 00:53:02.160 --> 00:53:10.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: You would take a record of that and send it in an email or open a ticket to [e-mail].

740 00:53:10.350 --> 00:53:19.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and say, here is the URL of data which is being exported by our council. Could you please get it into parish online?

741 00:53:20.130 --> 00:53:33.339 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And because it's already an open data set, parish online or geosphere can go to that site and just import the data for you. So that's all they need to do so. No permissions needed, no, nothing. Everything is already there.

742 00:53:33.950 --> 00:53:36.819 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So if we go back and say that was, step one.

743 00:53:37.150 --> 00:53:40.200 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So step 2 is, if

744 00:53:40.370 --> 00:53:52.080 Graham Stoddart-Stones: you can't find any data in the open air through this address, you know the supported sorry the data.gov.uk thing. So if that doesn't come up with anything. You move to step 2

745 00:53:52.310 --> 00:53:57.810 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and step 2 says, is your council exporting the data to their own website.

746 00:53:58.050 --> 00:54:02.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you go to your council website, and you look

747 00:54:03.130 --> 00:54:07.330 Graham Stoddart-Stones: for open data as a search in their search button

748 00:54:07.460 --> 00:54:09.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and see what comes up.

749 00:54:09.510 --> 00:54:15.490 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And if what comes up is what you want. Then again, you send a support, open up a support ticket.

750 00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:20.409 Graham Stoddart-Stones: use this title, open data for your parish

751 00:54:20.690 --> 00:54:23.100 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and copy that page link. And again.

752 00:54:23.340 --> 00:54:26.439 Graham Stoddart-Stones: they can automatically do that for you

753 00:54:26.620 --> 00:54:35.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: on a regular basis. So having set it up, then, it'll automatically update every time your council updates your data. So that's step 2

754 00:54:36.190 --> 00:54:37.870 Graham Stoddart-Stones: step 3

755 00:54:37.890 --> 00:54:48.710 Graham Stoddart-Stones: is if you we don't find anything on either step, one or step 2. So then the question comes, we've got to get it from the council themselves. So this is where I went wrong in the past.

756 00:54:49.080 --> 00:54:50.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's your job

757 00:54:50.780 --> 00:54:56.620 Graham Stoddart-Stones: to write to your council and ask for the information, but.

758 00:54:56.620 --> 00:54:56.850 Susan McKeown: Okay.

759 00:54:57.080 --> 00:54:59.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Parish online gives you here

760 00:54:59.550 --> 00:55:01.429 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the template to use

761 00:55:01.560 --> 00:55:04.790 Graham Stoddart-Stones: to get that information, and they say, send it

762 00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:09.110 Graham Stoddart-Stones: to your customer service address for your council.

763 00:55:09.870 --> 00:55:13.789 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and we have had a point in the past where

764 00:55:14.430 --> 00:55:19.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Malcolm, certainly, and I discovered that if you write to the Gis department.

765 00:55:20.120 --> 00:55:24.109 Graham Stoddart-Stones: then you won't get any answer, but if you go through customer service.

766 00:55:24.230 --> 00:55:28.650 Graham Stoddart-Stones: then you will. So, Richard, I'm sorry I've ignored your hand up.

767 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:35.409 Stogursey Parish Clerk: While I was waiting for you to finish. That was all. Did you say that was preservation orders from Somerset Council.

768 00:55:36.140 --> 00:55:37.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's what it said. Yes.

769 00:55:38.310 --> 00:55:39.410 Stogursey Parish Clerk: We haven't got that.

770 00:55:39.830 --> 00:55:44.050 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, I'm sorry I'm I'm speaking from the position of South Somerset. We've had prepaid.

771 00:55:44.837 --> 00:55:47.200 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Just yeah, yeah.

772 00:55:47.200 --> 00:55:51.049 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, but you're in some out of the way place that doesn't really exist, aren't you?

773 00:55:51.050 --> 00:55:53.429 Stogursey Parish Clerk: I know. I know

774 00:55:53.610 --> 00:55:55.150 Stogursey Parish Clerk: that's much longer.

775 00:55:55.150 --> 00:56:01.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, we better nip in quick. Then you can do exactly what set one says

776 00:56:01.460 --> 00:56:04.530 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so obviously, if you did that out of interest.

777 00:56:04.730 --> 00:56:07.699 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Can you do that and send it off to geosphere and see what happens?

778 00:56:08.220 --> 00:56:09.410 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Yeah, we'll do that.

779 00:56:09.410 --> 00:56:12.030 Stuart Bacon: I did some last week, and I've heard absolutely nothing.

780 00:56:12.930 --> 00:56:13.820 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Come again!

781 00:56:13.990 --> 00:56:16.200 Stuart Bacon: I said. I sent some off last week after

782 00:56:16.580 --> 00:56:21.190 Stuart Bacon: meeting to Geosphere, and I've heard absolutely nothing.

783 00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:23.659 Stogursey Parish Clerk: You can't send it on a Friday afternoon, so you know.

784 00:56:23.660 --> 00:56:24.600 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well when you next.

785 00:56:24.600 --> 00:56:25.400 Stogursey Parish Clerk: You're the author.

786 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:29.970 Graham Stoddart-Stones: See the chairman of seat of parish online, then have a word with him. Would you.

787 00:56:33.250 --> 00:56:37.257 tristram cary: I'm not. I'm not rising to that.

788 00:56:38.520 --> 00:56:39.220 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So

789 00:56:40.150 --> 00:56:55.250 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Those 3 steps are what you need to go through in order to get the information into Parashot line at some point, and the point I really wanted to make today is that

790 00:56:55.370 --> 00:57:11.619 Graham Stoddart-Stones: you only need to do one of those steps, but which step it is that you take depends on what you find. So with Step one, you're asking the government to tell you who is exporting data in open data format. And if your council is doing it. And if it's the data that you're looking for.

791 00:57:13.080 --> 00:57:17.560 Graham Stoddart-Stones: then you can go ahead and send that URL to geosphere.

792 00:57:17.710 --> 00:57:22.669 Graham Stoddart-Stones: In the second case, if you can find the information on the Council website.

793 00:57:22.820 --> 00:57:29.560 Graham Stoddart-Stones: then again, you can send the URL for that particular page to geosphere, and they'll get it into

794 00:57:30.010 --> 00:57:40.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: parish online for you, and if there is nothing currently being exported which is classic, if you're in Warwickshire, for instance, you don't export anything to anybody.

795 00:57:40.795 --> 00:57:44.160 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then you would have to send this letter with this template

796 00:57:44.490 --> 00:57:47.199 Graham Stoddart-Stones: to the customer Service people

797 00:57:47.330 --> 00:57:50.100 Graham Stoddart-Stones: at your local council.

798 00:57:51.010 --> 00:57:53.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Is that helpful, friendly, useful.

799 00:57:53.780 --> 00:57:54.740 tristram cary: Very, okay.

800 00:57:54.740 --> 00:57:55.710 Susan McKeown: Yeah.

801 00:57:55.710 --> 00:57:56.520 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

802 00:57:56.520 --> 00:57:57.110 tristram cary: Thank you.

803 00:57:57.110 --> 00:57:57.780 Helen Davey: Too.

804 00:57:59.134 --> 00:58:10.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm now back in a position saying it's up to somebody else to come up with a nice, helpful question or a query, or Deborah, you must have something that you've said. I don't understand how this system works.

805 00:58:11.650 --> 00:58:14.560 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Would you like an explanation of anything whilst we're all here?

806 00:58:15.095 --> 00:58:16.719 Deborah Howell: It's more like how you.

807 00:58:16.720 --> 00:58:17.320 Malcolm Daniels: You're okay.

808 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:18.320 Deborah Howell: Around navigating

809 00:58:19.230 --> 00:58:22.980 Deborah Howell: any training that anyone did, or you just kind of.

810 00:58:24.100 --> 00:58:27.599 Graham Stoddart-Stones: What a what a what a splendid question! Full marks to you.

811 00:58:27.600 --> 00:58:28.140 Malcolm Daniels: For your.

812 00:58:28.140 --> 00:58:29.720 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Friday afternoon to help

813 00:58:30.500 --> 00:58:32.749 Stogursey Parish Clerk: You fell you fell for that one.

814 00:58:34.200 --> 00:58:37.592 Graham Stoddart-Stones: I will send you the information you're looking for.

815 00:58:38.350 --> 00:58:39.070 Deborah Howell: Thank you.

816 00:58:39.070 --> 00:58:45.590 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, you're delighted to but but yes, there is an entire training program that you can follow.

817 00:58:46.746 --> 00:58:49.090 Graham Stoddart-Stones: For extremely reasonable prices.

818 00:58:50.740 --> 00:58:59.730 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But in the meantime, if there's anything that's on your mind that you just haven't grasped something, this is the time to say I haven't the slightest idea how parish online does this? Or does that.

819 00:59:01.180 --> 00:59:04.030 Deborah Howell: I'm still very new to all of it, so I haven't really.

820 00:59:04.030 --> 00:59:04.390 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay.

821 00:59:04.390 --> 00:59:08.179 Deborah Howell: Come across anything, major yet, but I'm sure there will be at some point.

822 00:59:08.450 --> 00:59:13.269 John Roberts: Deborah, do you know, if you're looking at parish online, do you know where the help and support pages are.

823 00:59:13.530 --> 00:59:16.829 Deborah Howell: Yes, yes, shelly show me that. Yeah. Administered.

824 00:59:16.830 --> 00:59:18.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good question. John. Thank you.

825 00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:21.639 John Roberts: Well, it's cheaper than the training.

826 00:59:22.586 --> 00:59:27.770 tristram cary: So, Deborah, how long have you been in post.

827 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:30.669 Deborah Howell: I started in September, so very new.

828 00:59:30.670 --> 00:59:31.449 tristram cary: I've heard it.

829 00:59:31.450 --> 00:59:31.830 Deborah Howell: Yeah.

830 00:59:31.830 --> 00:59:34.300 tristram cary: Did you come from somewhere else, or is this a new.

831 00:59:34.490 --> 00:59:37.870 Deborah Howell: I'm originally from Bournemouth. Yeah. So I moved here in May.

832 00:59:38.250 --> 00:59:41.319 tristram cary: Is this the 1st time you've been? Are you a parish clerk?

833 00:59:41.540 --> 00:59:45.080 Deborah Howell: No, no, I'm doing the business administration apprentice.

834 00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:45.960 tristram cary: Right.

835 00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:47.470 Deborah Howell: Yeah, for the Town Council.

836 00:59:48.220 --> 00:59:49.140 tristram cary: All right.

837 00:59:49.140 --> 00:59:52.959 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Light and town council. They've already got power online up and running for you.

838 00:59:54.230 --> 00:59:56.900 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, Malcolm, sorry you've gone this

839 00:59:57.480 --> 00:59:59.460 Graham Stoddart-Stones: nice to see you. Goodbye.

840 01:00:00.570 --> 01:00:01.980 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good to see you this week.

841 01:00:02.540 --> 01:00:08.129 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let me see, Susan. You sure you can't come up with another question.

842 01:00:08.500 --> 01:00:15.510 Susan McKeown: No, no, I'm going to focus on these gullies for a moment. Do you realize that

843 01:00:15.660 --> 01:00:27.999 Susan McKeown: what this session will be recorded so I could go and have a look at it, you know, because when you were going through about how to go through the cog and the help and support and council data.

844 01:00:28.550 --> 01:00:30.710 Susan McKeown: That's all recorded. So I can.

845 01:00:30.710 --> 01:00:33.670 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, yes, yeah. You can go back and look at it again.

846 01:00:33.870 --> 01:00:34.269 Susan McKeown: Yeah, yeah.

847 01:00:34.270 --> 01:00:37.899 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you can listen to my dulcet tones explaining to in great.

848 01:00:37.900 --> 01:00:41.590 Susan McKeown: I'm going to put Staffordshire County because Staffordshire County Council

849 01:00:42.450 --> 01:00:49.870 Susan McKeown: have for years been collecting this data, and so it would be quite useful to see what information is coming out.

850 01:00:50.350 --> 01:00:53.049 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Absolutely. No, I quite agree. It's

851 01:00:53.100 --> 01:01:15.630 Graham Stoddart-Stones: we certainly found. When Malcolm was working with me in Somerset, we came to the conclusion that most of the effort required is educational, that the people at the higher levels of government haven't got the slightest idea that we had this facility down at parish level that they're just not used to the idea that we have a full fledged

852 01:01:15.770 --> 01:01:17.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: geographic information system.

853 01:01:18.750 --> 01:01:20.969 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Will be compatible with what they're doing.

854 01:01:21.170 --> 01:01:21.650 Susan McKeown: Yes.

855 01:01:21.650 --> 01:01:25.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So once they get the message, they're actually most of them have been quite helpful.

856 01:01:25.900 --> 01:01:26.570 Susan McKeown: Yes.

857 01:01:26.570 --> 01:01:29.760 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But getting the message across is quite hard work.

858 01:01:30.130 --> 01:01:43.789 Susan McKeown: Yeah, yeah. But I think that those steps that you've just shown us. I think that's really good. Thank you for going through for me, and I'll look at it when you put the recording. Just remind me where you do put the recording. So I.

859 01:01:43.790 --> 01:01:53.659 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I'll I'll I'll send you. You get an email at the end of this session that says the data is now up on the wiki and the wiki is underlined. It's got a hyperlink on it. So you.

860 01:01:53.660 --> 01:01:55.480 Susan McKeown: Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

861 01:01:55.980 --> 01:02:02.120 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And so I'm going to send that to everybody. I'm going to send Deborah the list of wonderful training that she can get.

862 01:02:02.460 --> 01:02:09.740 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And, Chris, you're a standard by reliable sort of person. Surely you can invent something for the last 3 min.

863 01:02:09.740 --> 01:02:10.300 Matt Geen: Can I ask.

864 01:02:10.300 --> 01:02:11.609 chris edwards: Up just like that.

865 01:02:11.610 --> 01:02:13.380 Matt Geen: Yeah, can I ask a question?

866 01:02:13.620 --> 01:02:14.769 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Who's Matt? Yes.

867 01:02:15.238 --> 01:02:18.990 Matt Geen: Which is, I see that there are some

868 01:02:19.950 --> 01:02:23.390 Matt Geen: layers that are specific to

869 01:02:23.610 --> 01:02:27.250 Matt Geen: our parish, and we can invent all sorts of weird and wonderful ones.

870 01:02:29.270 --> 01:02:33.309 Matt Geen: Oh, that's another question I'm about to ask. Can I ask 2 questions at once?

871 01:02:33.610 --> 01:02:35.550 Matt Geen: The 1st one is

872 01:02:36.140 --> 01:02:40.019 Matt Geen: some of the information we put in, goes into

873 01:02:40.080 --> 01:02:41.930 Matt Geen: a collaborative layer

874 01:02:42.350 --> 01:02:43.320 Matt Geen: on

875 01:02:43.470 --> 01:02:53.350 Matt Geen: Paris online. For example, grit bins can be added to a layer, or we can add our own layers. So that's question. So

876 01:02:53.380 --> 01:02:54.839 Matt Geen: question number one, is

877 01:02:55.560 --> 01:02:58.640 Matt Geen: any guidance as to which you use and

878 01:02:58.810 --> 01:03:07.350 Matt Geen: prefer to do that. So if I want to add grit bins on my better off creating my own grit bins, layer, or adding things to the collaborative layer.

879 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:08.810 Matt Geen: presumably editable.

880 01:03:08.980 --> 01:03:16.440 Matt Geen: And the second question, looking at that, talking about our own parish layers is. I managed to create a layer, but I can't delete it.

881 01:03:17.560 --> 01:03:23.879 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That that's well, both of those are reasonably easily answered. So let me do with the 1st question. First, st yeah.

882 01:03:25.640 --> 01:03:30.330 Graham Stoddart-Stones: There are literally hundreds of layers within parish online.

883 01:03:30.340 --> 01:03:39.919 Graham Stoddart-Stones: The vast majority of them are 3rd party layers. It's other people's information, and so you can't do anything with it except read it and use it.

884 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:55.779 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Then there is your own layers, the parish layers, which you have full control over, and, as you've already remarked, you can do everything you like with that whatever. If you want to have a picture of your cat as the local street sign, then that's what you can do.

885 01:03:56.100 --> 01:03:59.770 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then there's a hybrid in between the 2,

886 01:03:59.950 --> 01:04:03.719 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which is the assets and maintenance layer.

887 01:04:04.430 --> 01:04:14.770 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and that one is one where parish online create the infrastructure for you. So they name all the layers. They name all the fields within the layers.

888 01:04:14.850 --> 01:04:22.680 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and you can fill in any data that you like, but you cannot change the structure. You cannot change the styling.

889 01:04:22.770 --> 01:04:24.930 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and it's bloody, irritating.

890 01:04:25.529 --> 01:04:26.130 Susan McKeown: But.

891 01:04:26.130 --> 01:04:29.700 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And we've we've mentioned this to them, and they're they're thinking about it.

892 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:33.180 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But then there is the

893 01:04:33.410 --> 01:04:43.959 Graham Stoddart-Stones: the sort of change for that. There are a couple of layers which are what they used to call national layers, and that's cemeteries and allotments. At the moment.

894 01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:44.450 Susan McKeown: Hmm.

895 01:04:44.450 --> 01:04:56.090 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And on each of those the boundary layer they've divided into 2. There's just a boundary layer, and there's a plot layer, and the boundary layer is collaborative. It's made visible to everyone.

896 01:04:56.190 --> 01:05:02.919 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So that's questions about the entire place like, Do you have electricity? Do you have water? Do you have parking.

897 01:05:03.250 --> 01:05:14.829 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But the fact that Mr. Jones is doing allotment number 3, and Mr. Smith is doing allotment number 4. That's private parish information, and it doesn't go outside the parish.

898 01:05:15.720 --> 01:05:21.430 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So the private personal information, if you will, stays within the parish.

899 01:05:21.600 --> 01:05:30.279 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But the collaborative layers go outside the parish for everybody to take advantage, because you can use it as a lever against your council. Yeah. Well, look at

900 01:05:30.750 --> 01:05:37.919 Graham Stoddart-Stones: hewish Episcopy. They've got water. They've got parking. They've got electricity. They've got huts. They're fantastic, and you've got nothing.

901 01:05:38.220 --> 01:05:43.169 Graham Stoddart-Stones: or that's 1 of the you know the things that you can gather from the collaborative player.

902 01:05:43.190 --> 01:05:52.579 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So then, when you go into the assets and maintenance, you discover that there are some individual columns that are collaborative.

903 01:05:52.990 --> 01:05:55.099 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But the other layers are not

904 01:05:55.270 --> 01:05:56.479 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so. It all depends

905 01:05:57.230 --> 01:05:58.960 Graham Stoddart-Stones: on where you are. Yeah.

906 01:06:00.180 --> 01:06:01.060 Graham Stoddart-Stones: so

907 01:06:02.390 --> 01:06:03.060 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and.

908 01:06:03.060 --> 01:06:04.200 tristram cary: Sure. That's massive.

909 01:06:04.200 --> 01:06:06.470 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Tends to be changes

910 01:06:06.700 --> 01:06:14.860 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which are made without anybody realizing it. All of a sudden something that was not collaborative becomes collaborative, or vice versa

911 01:06:15.502 --> 01:06:20.940 Graham Stoddart-Stones: but not enough to do any damage to anybody. And there's a question from Stuart.

912 01:06:24.190 --> 01:06:31.520 Stuart Bacon: All right. It's it's a question for Tristram. Just on the back of what you were saying about the allotment boundaries.

913 01:06:32.108 --> 01:06:34.100 Stuart Bacon: Why that no longer

914 01:06:34.210 --> 01:06:37.720 Stuart Bacon: describes itself as being a collaborative layer.

915 01:06:38.940 --> 01:06:41.169 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But it used to be a national lair, didn't it?

916 01:06:41.170 --> 01:06:41.889 Stuart Bacon: Yeah. But now.

917 01:06:41.890 --> 01:06:42.699 tristram cary: I just don't know.

918 01:06:42.700 --> 01:06:47.610 Stuart Bacon: Says allotment boundaries. It doesn't say collaborative or national, or anything. It just says allotment boundaries.

919 01:06:48.320 --> 01:07:01.660 tristram cary: I don't know why, but the I think the issue still there is, as Graham described it, that the overall allotment is is a National there, and the reason one of the reasons for that was that we got support from the National Allotment Association.

920 01:07:02.170 --> 01:07:23.690 tristram cary: Because they they didn't have any idea on a national basis. You know where the allotments were, what the capacity was, whether that was secure disabled access all that stuff. So they they supported us in creating that national layer. But the individual plots, as Graham says, you don't want to put into a national air. The detail of Mr. Jones has plot for and hasn't paid his subs.

921 01:07:23.690 --> 01:07:33.329 tristram cary: So that was, that was a a you know, that's not a national there, so that that seems to work very well. I don't. I don't know if there's a labeling problem. I I don't know what that is.

922 01:07:34.310 --> 01:07:37.610 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, it it. I agree. It used to be called a national

923 01:07:38.140 --> 01:07:40.231 Graham Stoddart-Stones: for some reason I got changed.

924 01:07:40.770 --> 01:07:45.470 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But you're quite right, Stuart. The other thing that is worthy of mention.

925 01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:48.770 tristram cary: Sorry while Stuart is that still who shared his screen? Yes.

926 01:07:48.770 --> 01:07:49.430 Stuart Bacon: Yes, sir.

927 01:07:49.430 --> 01:07:50.990 tristram cary: So what? So what? You what

928 01:07:51.250 --> 01:07:58.149 Stuart Bacon: So at the moment. The as you can see, the cemeteries, describes itself as the cemetery boundary being collaborative.

929 01:07:58.150 --> 01:07:59.170 tristram cary: I am.

930 01:07:59.170 --> 01:08:02.590 Stuart Bacon: But for allotments there's no indication there.

931 01:08:02.810 --> 01:08:07.949 tristram cary: But if you click, if you click on that, if you boundaries, is it actually national.

932 01:08:07.950 --> 01:08:12.860 Stuart Bacon: You can. I can see 3. There's 1 in the center here

933 01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:14.109 Stuart Bacon: in our parish.

934 01:08:14.110 --> 01:08:15.149 tristram cary: Yeah. But if you if you.

935 01:08:15.150 --> 01:08:15.690 Stuart Bacon: 2, or.

936 01:08:16.047 --> 01:08:18.190 Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you go back and hover

937 01:08:18.200 --> 01:08:21.030 Graham Stoddart-Stones: on the allowment, boundaries hover over the right hand end.

938 01:08:21.250 --> 01:08:24.749 Graham Stoddart-Stones: just they see he comes up and tells you. It's a collaborative layer.

939 01:08:24.750 --> 01:08:32.339 Stuart Bacon: Yeah, when you go into it further, it tells you it's collaborative. But I mean, as you're just scrolling past the.

940 01:08:32.340 --> 01:08:33.379 tristram cary: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

941 01:08:33.380 --> 01:08:36.210 Stuart Bacon: Titles when you can see it, says.

942 01:08:36.210 --> 01:08:36.550 tristram cary: Yeah.

943 01:08:36.550 --> 01:08:39.390 Stuart Bacon: Sort of cemeteries is a collaborative one.

944 01:08:41.290 --> 01:08:42.240 Stuart Bacon: yeah, I I.

945 01:08:42.240 --> 01:08:48.849 tristram cary: If he, if he worries you, do raise a you know, to a ticket, just to say, ask if they could correct it.

946 01:08:48.859 --> 01:08:50.779 Stuart Bacon: I just think it helps. If.

947 01:08:50.779 --> 01:08:53.869 tristram cary: Yeah, I would. I can see. I think you're right. You're absolutely right. Do it.

948 01:08:53.870 --> 01:08:57.930 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Stuart. It absolutely goes against the grain to send in a simple ticket like this on a phone.

949 01:08:57.939 --> 01:08:59.279 tristram cary: No, no, no!

950 01:09:01.379 --> 01:09:02.979 tristram cary: Cool

951 01:09:03.219 --> 01:09:05.869 tristram cary: the Flack I get.

952 01:09:05.870 --> 01:09:07.490 Graham Stoddart-Stones: They're doing them.

953 01:09:07.490 --> 01:09:09.139 tristram cary: The whole best to help you.

954 01:09:09.140 --> 01:09:11.560 Stuart Bacon: They're doing a wonderful job, and I'm not trying to not.

955 01:09:13.649 --> 01:09:14.449 Stogursey Parish Clerk: I'll find it.

956 01:09:14.450 --> 01:09:15.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That that's a.

957 01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:15.829 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Oh, right!

958 01:09:15.830 --> 01:09:16.440 Graham Stoddart-Stones: One.

959 01:09:17.050 --> 01:09:23.799 Stogursey Parish Clerk: Frame Graham must be, must be to get Tristram to send a ticket in on behalf of the banter group.

960 01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:26.270 Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, he's already in.

961 01:09:26.541 --> 01:09:28.369 tristram cary: I gotta try to stay on site

962 01:09:30.215 --> 01:09:31.000 tristram cary: of.

963 01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:33.799 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But it does raise the point that I wanted to give.

964 01:09:34.330 --> 01:09:35.309 Graham Stoddart-Stones: which is that the

965 01:09:35.810 --> 01:09:59.069 Graham Stoddart-Stones: sometimes when you go into the allotment's boundaries, there you will find that it's completely wrong. It's either in the wrong place or it's the wrong size or the wrong shape, or it shouldn't be there at all, and the National Allotment Society quite cheerfully says that they've given you the information that they had at the time, but it might be 30 or 40 years out of date.

966 01:09:59.070 --> 01:10:06.939 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So my case to you is, do not be surprised if the map tells you that you have an allotment that, in fact, you don't actually have.

967 01:10:07.050 --> 01:10:10.540 Graham Stoddart-Stones: because the data could be a real legacy piece of data.

968 01:10:10.540 --> 01:10:13.350 tristram cary: Yeah. But if you find that we should report that back to them.

969 01:10:13.530 --> 01:10:20.569 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, absolutely yes, because we're all very helpful, friendly people, despite my effort to convince you otherwise.

970 01:10:21.535 --> 01:10:22.040 tristram cary: No.

971 01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:30.209 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay people. Then, if there aren't any more questions, let me wish you all a very happy weekend, and hope to see you next week.

972 01:10:30.210 --> 01:10:32.030 Matt Geen: Sorry I did ask a second question.

973 01:10:32.030 --> 01:10:32.770 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, you did!

974 01:10:32.770 --> 01:10:33.280 Matt Geen: Disease.

975 01:10:33.280 --> 01:10:33.950 Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I think.

976 01:10:33.950 --> 01:10:34.590 Matt Geen: Delete a.

977 01:10:34.590 --> 01:10:37.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, share your screen, Matt, do, please.

978 01:10:38.225 --> 01:10:38.920 Matt Geen: Right?

979 01:10:40.300 --> 01:10:41.100 Matt Geen: See?

980 01:10:41.400 --> 01:10:43.120 Matt Geen: So it's gonna be.

981 01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:59.400 Matt Geen: how do I share a screen on this share? And I share screen, too. There we are share.

982 01:11:02.530 --> 01:11:03.540 Matt Geen: Got that?

983 01:11:03.690 --> 01:11:10.320 Matt Geen: Yes, we do and right. So there's my! If you look on the left hand side.

984 01:11:10.320 --> 01:11:11.389 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right, so.

985 01:11:11.390 --> 01:11:18.300 Matt Geen: I chose flooding issues and hit duplicate because I was messing around trying things, and it won't go away.

986 01:11:18.500 --> 01:11:20.399 Matt Geen: I can't make that one go away.

987 01:11:20.400 --> 01:11:31.959 Graham Stoddart-Stones: So the key word for you to remember here is this is administration. So you want to go up to your top right corner, click on the cogwheel and select the administration.

988 01:11:32.400 --> 01:11:33.580 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Mini menu.

989 01:11:34.590 --> 01:11:38.239 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Wait for the layers to fill in, because they're coming down from the Internet.

990 01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:43.009 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Now select the one you want to get rid of, just click on it, so it gets highlighted

991 01:11:43.140 --> 01:11:47.370 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and move up to the dustbin at the top of that rail the middle column.

992 01:11:47.370 --> 01:11:48.030 Matt Geen: One there.

993 01:11:48.030 --> 01:11:49.130 Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's it, Yup.

994 01:11:49.290 --> 01:11:51.549 Graham Stoddart-Stones: and then it asks you to be really, really.

995 01:11:51.550 --> 01:11:54.039 Matt Geen: Type. Delete in there. Yeah.

996 01:11:55.330 --> 01:11:56.460 Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it's gone.

997 01:11:58.610 --> 01:11:59.190 Susan McKeown: Yeah.

998 01:12:00.150 --> 01:12:00.980 Matt Geen: Grey.

999 01:12:00.980 --> 01:12:07.689 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which reminds me just to send you all on your merry way. Happily, what sort of food is it that you can never find?

1000 01:12:11.240 --> 01:12:12.897 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, come on!

1001 01:12:14.570 --> 01:12:18.150 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, the answer is a scone, because you, soon as you.

1002 01:12:18.150 --> 01:12:18.980 Stogursey Parish Clerk: It's called.

1003 01:12:18.980 --> 01:12:19.700 Matt Geen: Thank you.

1004 01:12:19.700 --> 01:12:21.120 Graham Stoddart-Stones: Goodbye!

1005 01:12:21.120 --> 01:12:23.630 Helen Davey: Bye. Thank you.