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# 260821 - 21Aug26 - session 26-35

User rights, new layers under NGD: open data, digital planning data, and bus stops, importing shapefiles, adding icons to point layers

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#### Video Timeline:

00:00 - 02:23 Banter\
02:23 - 07:07 Adjusting user rights, adding new users\
07:07 - 16:00 NGD layers: house floors, bus stops, tree preservation orders. NGD does not export to Public Map\
16:00 - 18:00 Banter\
18:00 - 25:00 Creating and amending Point Layers, selecting and adding icons\
25:00 - 26:30 Uses for Parish Online\
26:30 - 30:00 Importing Shapefiles,working with B\&NES\
30:00 - 51:12 (end) Banter - devolution from District to Unitary in Leicestershire

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#### Meeting Summary:

Aug 21, 2026 01:58 PM LondonID: 897 5877 7706

### Quick recap

The meeting focused on Parish Online usage, with Stuart demonstrating how to set up and change user rights, explaining the differences between reader, editor, data manager, and admin roles, and noting that only admins could access billing. The group discussed new and existing map layers, including NGD, open data, digital planning data, and bus stops, and commented on the accuracy and usefulness of these layers. Stuart showed how to select and change icons for point layers, and the group discussed the limitations of the current icon set. They also talked about using Parish Online to share information with councils and contractors, and compared the amount and quality of data available in different areas. John and Stuart discussed local government reorganisation, financial problems in Somerset Council, and the impact on parishes, as well as John’s plans to step down from his council role. They reviewed the difference between neighbourhood plans and neighbourhood statements, agreeing that statements had no legal status and were unwise. Finally, they discussed recent changes in planning processes, reduced consultation, and a specific planning enforcement query about the height measurement of a summer house on a raised plinth.

### Next steps

#### Graham

* Email Sam Nash to see if he will be joining the meeting.
* Follow up with the planning department regarding the complaint about the industrial air conditioning units in the conservation area.

#### John

* Discuss the issue of neighbourhood statements vs. plans with Hugh (Chair of SALC) at the next director's meeting.

### Summary

#### Parish Online User Permissions Discussion

Graham, John, and Stuart discussed technical aspects of Parish Online, focusing on user setup and permissions. Stuart provided a detailed walkthrough of how to modify user rights, explaining the different permission levels (reader, editor, data manager, and admin) and their respective capabilities. Graham clarified that admin users are the only ones who can access billing information, and mentioned that Sam would be joining for a session to discuss icons in more detail.

#### Ordnance Survey Data Review Meeting

The group discussed new Ordnance Survey layers, including NGD data and digital planning information showing bus stops across the country. John and Stuart noted inaccuracies in the floor count data for bungalows, while Graham highlighted the usefulness of having bus stop information. The conversation included observations about incomplete tree preservation order data and the practicality of bus services in rural areas.

#### Mapping System Icon Modifications

The group discussed adding bus time information to a map, but determined it would be challenging due to data accuracy concerns and limitations in the mapping system. Stuart demonstrated how to change icons in the mapping system, specifically showing how to modify lighting bollard symbols to brighter yellow versions for better visibility in park areas. Stuart explained that he uses the mapping system to share information with county and district councils, creating public maps to help prepare stakeholders for site meetings and ensure everyone is aligned on project objectives.

#### Shapefile Import and Data Contacts

Graham discussed a request from someone seeking to import shapefiles from Somerset County, and he directed them to contact Adam Rhymer for data export assistance. The group clarified that Peasedown St John is part of Bath and North East Somerset rather than Somerset, and identified Martin Laker as the key contact for data distribution in that area. Graham mentioned he had to completely rewrite training slides for an upcoming Parish Online session due to significant changes in column lists and interface updates.

#### Local Government Reorganization Discussion

The group discussed local government reorganization plans in Leicester, with Stuart explaining that his parish will transfer from Leicestershire County to Leicester City in May next year. John shared concerns about Somerset Council's financial struggles, noting they are under government warning and facing potential bankruptcy due to poor financial management and excessive consultant spending. The discussion also covered planning process changes, with John and Stuart agreeing that neighborhood plans provide legal status while neighborhood statements do not, and they reviewed a specific planning case involving a summer house construction in a conservation area.

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#### Chat:

Nothing in chat this week

***

#### Audiotranscript:

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Good afternoon, John.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You're a man with no sound at the moment.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Must be some button in somewhere.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nothing yet.

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John Roberts: How's that?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Much better.

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John Roberts: Yeah, it helps. I have my earphones muted, sorry.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Be nice to keep you.

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John Roberts: I keep… I keep forgetting.

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John Roberts: It mutes everything.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: We will know next time we see you. Microphone on.

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John Roberts: You're nuts.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, no Hey, Stuart.

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Stuart Bacon: Good afternoon, both.

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Stuart Bacon: How was the sailing last week?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It was phenomenal, thank you.

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Stuart Bacon: Good.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's been good this week, too.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But last week was round Brittany, and this week was round Bembridge.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, local sailing around, racing around the boys, rather than… battling from A to B.

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Stuart Bacon: Fair enough.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, it's been good.

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John Roberts: Fine. At the moment, it's… it's sunny.

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Stuart Bacon: Good, good?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, we are expecting a visit from Sam, who joined us earlier in the year for a major session, and he's come back for some more.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And in the meantime, I have one query emailed in from a lady who wishes to be reminded how to A set up users, and B, how to change the rights of existing users.

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Stuart Bacon: Easily enough done.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, so, since it's such a piece of cake, would you like to go ahead and…

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Stuart Bacon: I can do, I mean, I'm not logged in at the minute, so you'll have to bear with me a moment.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: We can tell scandalous stories about you in the meantime.

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Stuart Bacon: Hi.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, I've been researching one-liners to see how to test the humor level in a hall that you're going to be talking to.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And my favourite one so far.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: is, to tell you that dogs can't handle MRI machines, but CAT scan.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So… God help you.

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John Roberts: At least they're consistent.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's a wildly ambiguous statement.

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Stuart Bacon: If we click on the cog in the top right corner and go to administration…

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Stuart Bacon: That takes you into the backend of the details for your account once you're logged in.

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Stuart Bacon: The column, you're looking for amending users' details.

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Stuart Bacon: So, clicking on the Users tab, and that'll bring up all of your individual users.

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Stuart Bacon: So… Choosing a user, you can see…

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Stuart Bacon: So, info, as I've got it, as a user, currently is a reader only. We set all their details up,

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Stuart Bacon: But if we wanted them to change, then it's just a case of clicking on the drop-down option within the type.

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Stuart Bacon: And then selecting the appropriate level.

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Stuart Bacon: Reader means a person can only look at the data that you've got secured within your account and set up, and is probably the safest option for new users to at least

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Stuart Bacon: familiarise themselves with Parish Online, in their first week or two of access.

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Stuart Bacon: An editor, steps up that capability and gives them the ability to…

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Stuart Bacon: edit, within the existing datasets. So you can, sort of, not add any new layers, but they can,

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Stuart Bacon: they can add detail, to existing, datasets. A data manager has the capability to add new datasets, and everything from the above levels, while admin, has the ability to

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Stuart Bacon: Manage users as well.

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Stuart Bacon: For the most part, yeah.

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Stuart Bacon: one of the top three, sort of, elements, would be my expectation.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, and depends on their need, to access data and how regularly… how competent they are with the information, because you…

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, you don't want to end up with somebody deleting your required datasets and sending you back to square one.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which is really, really important stuff.

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Stuart Bacon: It is, but, again, at the same time.

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Stuart Bacon: Do… do councillors all need to be looking at the billing information? Probably not.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, no, no, it's why I said, it's reserved to admin, they're the only people who can do it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, the differences between admin and data managers is that admin can do users, and admin can do billing.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And that's all.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, that's… that's great. Thank you very much, Stuart.

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Stuart Bacon: Props.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Mmm.

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Stuart Bacon: I shall stop sharing.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And Sam, when he joins us, will be asking particularly questions about icons.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, he remembers that icons are…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: reachable, but doesn't remember, A, how to reach them, and B, how to select the one he wants.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So when he comes, we will be doing that.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: In the meantime… I have not spotted anything new in Parish Online.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Recently, but it doesn't mean to say there is nothing.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let me just go and have a look.

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John Roberts: I'll put my hand up and say I haven't used it for about 10 days.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You have done what, right?

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John Roberts: I haven't used it for about 10 days.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Who am I?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You get rusty.

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John Roberts: You do. At least I do.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I would hazard a guess that that's even worse than mine, Stuart. And that's really setting the bar down.

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Stuart Bacon: Are the Ordnance Survey layers… new.

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Stuart Bacon: In the brown layers.

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John Roberts: Well, the end…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I don't it?

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John Roberts: D ones.

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Stuart Bacon: The NGD and open data.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, well, fairly new, but they've been around for a couple of months.

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Stuart Bacon: Okay.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But yes.

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Stuart Bacon: Shows my ignorance, I've not been looking at those, obviously.

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John Roberts: Yeah, they quote.

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John Roberts: I would say fairly accurate, because,

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John Roberts: You click on the number of floors, We'll say inaccurate, because We live in a bungalow.

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John Roberts: That's… that I've… we converted up into the loft.

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John Roberts: So, it gives two floors.

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John Roberts: But on our neighbor, Who is still a bungalow.

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John Roberts: It still gives two floors.

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John Roberts: In fact, both neighbors, either side of us, are both bungalows with just normal attics, and it says two floors.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, oh god.

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Stuart Bacon: I wouldn't go.

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John Roberts: by that one. I've got.

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Stuart Bacon: Relatively new build, bungalows and whatever, and that says they're two floors when they're not.

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Stuart Bacon: Although, not all of them are…

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Stuart Bacon: Some of them are missing data entirely, and they were all built at the same time.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you go a bit further down the beige layers, are we guys familiar with digital planning data?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I don't recall seeing that one before.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because apparently you can see bus stops all over the country.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, that one's been there for… I do remember seeing that one before.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You do.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, okay. I was just thinking how useful it is to have all the bus stops in the country.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And… Since it's showing 346,000 of them, there probably is a substantial number.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Very useful.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, I am…

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John Roberts: bus stops still exist.

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Stuart Bacon: Because we looked at that again last week, I think, as well, with the tree preservation order data.

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Stuart Bacon: noticeable that the, the TPOs are…

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Stuart Bacon: Incomplete, because it only shows the MHCLG TPOs, not the county or district or unitary registered TPOs.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

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John Roberts: I've got a few bus stops in my village that I think will be a surprise to the bus driver.

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John Roberts: The ones that exist, they have marked, I will agree, but there's some additional ones that…

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Stuart Bacon: You didn't realize they made stops, huh?

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John Roberts: Well, I don't think they do, but I'm not going to argue.

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John Roberts: Stand there one day, put my hand out, and see what happens.

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Stuart Bacon: Well, that's the ultimate test, isn't it, really?

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John Roberts: Yeah.

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John Roberts: I know what I'll get round here.

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Stuart Bacon: What a finger.

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John Roberts: Yeah, basically. We've got one bus in the morning and one in the evening.

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John Roberts: And that's it.

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Stuart Bacon: Turns up at all.

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John Roberts: Yeah, and during the day, we have a free bus that was put on by EDF, who are building the power station.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: talked… she was talking to a department at Somerset County level, who were going to send her a whole bunch of shapefiles, and she was asking me if we could import shape files. And I said, no, you've got to go through the, the, you know, the help desk.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I mentioned that Stuart Reimer might well be the person who would be exporting the data to her.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I don't know if you had a recent contact with Stuart? Is he still there, John, do you know?

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John Roberts: Apart from his name being Adam Reimer.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm sorry, I meant Adam, yes, you're quite right.

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John Roberts: I haven't recently, no.

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John Roberts: name still crops up on, documentation, so I'm assuming it's still there.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, it appeared to me that they were getting very, a lot of help. Peace down St. John, how about that?

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John Roberts: Yeah, right. Now, Peas down St John is nothing to do with Somerset, it's North Somerset.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Is it?

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John Roberts: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But…

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John Roberts: And…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: They were not part of the Somerset Unitary?

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John Roberts: Nope.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

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John Roberts: Nope.

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John Roberts: North Somerset is a… Council on its own, and death there.

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John Roberts: talking about becoming part of the West of England

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John Roberts: conglomerate with South Gloucester, Bristol, and the rest.

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John Roberts: They're separate from Somerset.

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John Roberts: And…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, she was definitely getting her data from Somerset Council, so I suspect that the data she's looking for stems from the days before the arrival of North Somerset. When did North Somerset get created?

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John Roberts: Long time ago.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So maybe I'm wrong. Oh, hang on, it's Baines, isn't it? It's Bath and North East Somerset. Alright.

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John Roberts: Yeah, bathroom needs research.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, so that would, as you say, it's nothing to do with Somerset Council. Okay.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, but…

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John Roberts: she's got an advantage there. Who's the guy in… in Baines who…

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John Roberts: Pushes all the data out to the barricade.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, he's fabulous.

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John Roberts: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Martin Laker.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So yeah, she's got an even better advantage there.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I must say, I hadn't actually appreciated that P's down was in that part.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I guess it's Bath and North East Somerset, isn't it? Yeah.

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John Roberts: Yep.

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John Roberts: P's Down St John?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Sam Nash was the guy… oh, he's also from Peace down St. John, that's extraordinary.

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John Roberts: That's right. Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hmm.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nope.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm gonna email him and see his ears are burning.

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John Roberts: Oh, I was looking at it, sorry.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, he's not the one who was asking about the shape files, he was generating stuff directly in

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Parish online himself.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Let me just email him and see if he's going to be joining us.

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John Roberts: I would think… P's down, St John is, is North Somerton.

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John Roberts: faint.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

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John Roberts: It doesn't tell us.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, it's binds.

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Stuart Bacon: Using the administrative… the administrative boundaries one, it tells me it's bones.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Thank you.

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John Roberts: Brings back memories, that does.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Nope.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, I have a training session for Parish Online following this meeting.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And just as an indicator of the change of times, I've had to completely rewrite all the slides for the training session, because, of course, the…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: list of columns and so forth has changed so much, so that when I give examples in the,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: slides. They don't match what people would be seeing on their actual current screens.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I thought you'd be really fascinated to know that.

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Stuart Bacon: Well, it does show, sort of, how…

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Stuart Bacon: things have progressed, I suppose, between, yeah, when…

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Stuart Bacon: Parish Online was first created, and

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Stuart Bacon: And what we're faced with now.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Correct. So, you know, they are making changes, even if they're not the ones that we've asked for.

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John Roberts: No, they are, I mean… The amount of information on there, I would say, what, over the last…

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John Roberts: Two and a half years has grown phenomenally.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Indeed.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah.

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John Roberts: Certainly for Somerset it has, anyway, put it that way.

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Stuart Bacon: Well, and you're very lucky, with the amount that you get, sort of, fed in and whatever from the unitary there. You've got…

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Stuart Bacon: A vast wealth of data that everybody else is lucky enough to obtain.

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Stuart Bacon: I gotta admit, My approach on trying to, sort of, convince people to…

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Stuart Bacon: add anything in is changed now, and I'm gonna hold off

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Stuart Bacon: until local government reorganisation completes, because we'll move from Leicestershire County to Leicester City as part of the reorganisation, so I'm going to have to redevelop entirely new relationships with a vastly different set of people.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do you know any of them from previous,

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Stuart Bacon: I have had zero contact with the city.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And when's this change gonna take place, Stuart?

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Stuart Bacon: Next May, the… next May, the Shadow Authority comes into being, and then, the April 28th

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Stuart Bacon: They tack over properly.

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John Roberts: Is this part of a unitary setup, or…

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, yeah, this will be the move from, the district arrangement to unitary under local government reorganisation.

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Stuart Bacon: So, yeah, we will be feeling your pain on,

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John Roberts: I hope it goes better than ours did.

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John Roberts: But, you know, to be…

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John Roberts: I don't think they've made a very good job of ours, to be honest, but…

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John Roberts: They inherited, a lot of financial troubles from the previous, previous, incumbents.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, sudden 85 million pound gap.

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John Roberts: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Didn't help.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, no…

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John Roberts: Everybody seems to be trying to ignore

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John Roberts: when they're blaming Somerset Council for something, but it… you can. It's the elephant in the room that's always there.

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Stuart Bacon: No, I mean, we're slightly the other way, in that Leicester City are…

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Stuart Bacon: exceedingly cash-strapped, and are using the opportunity of LGR to pull in a load of parishes to give them more money to try and pull them out of their dire straits.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, no, this is… Oh, shit, so is it?

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Stuart Bacon: Well, they want the business rates from the parishes into the city authority to help pull them out, because we get no access to those.

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John Roberts: This is what happened with Somerset, because Somerset County Council Was deep in debt.

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John Roberts: Very deep in debt, and they pushed and pushed and pushed.

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John Roberts: for unity authority, because the… the districts were cash rich.

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John Roberts: Yeah. And they had their eye on the money.

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John Roberts: But…

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John Roberts: the… the… certainly with South Somerset, Sedge more, Mend It, whatever, they were… they were very cute. They ring-fenced their money for projects that it was meant for.

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John Roberts: So, when the unitary came about, Somerset didn't get access to all the cash it thought it was going to get.

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Stuart Bacon: Well, that's not the, that's not the worst idea to, go about with at all.

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John Roberts: Nope.

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John Roberts: And I mean, they all went down this route of buying property, buying buildings, etc, with Treasury loans.

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John Roberts: And… Somerset have inherited those buildings.

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John Roberts: And they're… they're worthless now.

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John Roberts: So, they're having to sell them a lot.

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John Roberts: So, it just gets worse.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they have to sell them because they can't afford to keep them, basically.

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John Roberts: Face it, do ya?

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John Roberts: We think they're on the cusp of going bankrupt, it's…

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John Roberts: It's a bit like a greasy pole, you know, they're gripping it hard not to slide down, but every time they…

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John Roberts: They, they, they breathe, they go down a bit further.

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Stuart Bacon: Two steps forward, one step back, kind of.

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John Roberts: Yeah, they're under warning from the government now. They have to report to the government once a month on what the situation is.

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Stuart Bacon: Well, that's not ideal.

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John Roberts: Nope.

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John Roberts: But then, if they… if they declare, what is it, one…

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Stuart Bacon: Section 104…

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John Roberts: Section 104, whatever it is. Then the commissioners will come in and run the business, and they will cut everything, so…

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John Roberts: It's not a good situation, whichever way you look at it.

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John Roberts: But one of the… I think big mistakes they made.

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John Roberts: It was a Conservative, and Liberals took over, and they weren't used to being in power or running a county.

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John Roberts: So every project that's come along, they've employed consultants.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Ouch.

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Stuart Bacon: That's an excellent way of being.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes.

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John Roberts: The number of different Teams of consultants they've employed is unbelievable.

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Stuart Bacon: And if these consultants aren't… Properly, sort of, set up to actually interact with each other.

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Stuart Bacon: And share data between all the sets of consultants, then, yeah, you could be repeating the same thing over and over again.

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John Roberts: Yeah.

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John Roberts: Yep.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Ouch.

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John Roberts: I could go on, I'm not going to.

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John Roberts: I… I'm out of it early next year, so… That's it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's it, you're finished. Complete.

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John Roberts: Yeah, this time though, Graham, I mean it.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: He's wrong to…

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Stuart Bacon: Say, watch this space, and will he be back?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm just printing it out and putting it on my wall, John.

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John Roberts: No, I won't be back this time.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

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Stuart Bacon: I can just foresee if you're involved in the, the working parties and things go a little bit awry.

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Stuart Bacon: you might want to, sort of, come back, John. Just personality comes across that way.

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John Roberts: we… myself and my deputy chair told them in May

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John Roberts: That we would not be there for the elections next year.

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John Roberts: I suspect Kevin will go before Christmas, and then I will go shortly after Christmas.

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John Roberts: But we have put that caveat in that

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John Roberts: A, if Somerset go belly up.

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John Roberts: We will still be there to help.

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John Roberts: Advised, but we will not be counsellors.

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John Roberts: And also.

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John Roberts: things like redoing the neighbourhood plan or whatever. If they form a working group, we'll happily be part of a working group.

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John Roberts: But we will not be parish councillors.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep, I can see that as being very sensible.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Not leaving them in the lurch, but not committing yourselves to huge amounts of time for which you're not paid anything.

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John Roberts: But… I find, in some respects, I begrudge the time now.

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John Roberts: Where I never used to.

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John Roberts: You know, what is it now, 25 years?

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John Roberts: Yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright, well.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm afraid we newcomers will just have to sit back and… admire.

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Stuart Bacon: We climb.

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John Roberts: was hoping… the client was hoping we would go at the same time, but she's got another 5 years, and I said, I'm not waiting that long.

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John Roberts: I don't know how you work, but myself and the clerk tend to work

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John Roberts: In reality, as a team together.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah.

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John Roberts: And it works well.

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Stuart Bacon: No, I think when you… you have… That sort of…

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Stuart Bacon: parallel working or whatever between Chair and Clark, it works really well. When you've got, the two at odds with each other, it's…

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Stuart Bacon: Not so straightforward.

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John Roberts: No, I've got a neighbor in parish at the moment, And…

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00:46:50.850 --> 00:46:54.280
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John Roberts: The deputy chair keeps ringing up and saying.

506
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00:46:54.710 --> 00:46:58.440
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John Roberts: Can we do this, and can we do that? And I said, well, ask your clerk.

507
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00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:03.299
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John Roberts: and she'll, I don't want to do that.

508
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00:47:04.220 --> 00:47:04.820
\
John Roberts: Whoa.

509
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00:47:04.820 --> 00:47:05.849
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But yeah, that's basically…

510
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00:47:05.850 --> 00:47:10.610
\
John Roberts: She rang the other day to say they had a planning issue, they were going to hold a meeting.

511
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00:47:11.130 --> 00:47:17.269
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John Roberts: And… Discuss this planning issue, and come to a decision.

512
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00:47:17.780 --> 00:47:22.729
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John Roberts: But then the clerk had told them that, well, you can do this, you can have a private meeting.

513
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00:47:23.260 --> 00:47:24.830
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John Roberts: And I said, no, you can't.

514
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00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:35.280
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John Roberts: I said, if you're going to discuss a planning issue and come to a decision, Is it public meeting?

515
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00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:36.090
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah.

516
\
00:47:37.120 --> 00:47:42.269
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John Roberts: Oh, well, the client says we don't have to have a public meeting. I said, well, go back to your client and tell her she's wrong.

517
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00:47:44.100 --> 00:47:47.929
\
John Roberts: And it comes… the crux of that matter is that

518
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00:47:48.350 --> 00:47:51.300
\
John Roberts: They've employed a friend as Clark.

519
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00:47:54.310 --> 00:47:56.249
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John Roberts: So, the conflict of interest.

520
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00:48:05.390 --> 00:48:08.439
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John Roberts: I think, Graham, he's not gonna turn up.

521
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00:48:09.150 --> 00:48:10.779
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: It does look that way, doesn't it?

522
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00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:16.509
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which may be one good reason why we've solved this problem for him.

523
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00:48:16.510 --> 00:48:17.170
\
Stuart Bacon: Yeah.

524
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00:48:18.500 --> 00:48:34.560
\
Stuart Bacon: Have you made any progress in looking at the, the issue that was raised the other week, John? In terms of the impact on yourselves, where we were talking about, neighbourhood statements instead of neighbourhood plans?

525
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00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:39.839
\
Stuart Bacon: The lady that attend… attended the other week,

526
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00:48:40.470 --> 00:48:43.549
\
John Roberts: Yeah, I went through…

527
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00:48:44.850 --> 00:48:51.799
\
John Roberts: What I've done with that one in the first instance, I've gone through to the chair of SALT, which is Somerset Associated Local Council.

528
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00:48:52.190 --> 00:48:52.550
\
Stuart Bacon: Yeah.

529
\
00:48:52.550 --> 00:48:54.969
\
John Roberts: Because I'm a director of that anyway.

530
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00:48:55.430 --> 00:49:02.279
\
John Roberts: And we've got a director's meeting, I think, next week, but I sent it to you, and in effect, my boss on that.

531
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00:49:02.770 --> 00:49:11.049
\
John Roberts: And he's discussed it with Somerset, and as far as we know at the moment, Somerset aren't… have no intention of going that route.

532
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00:49:12.420 --> 00:49:15.850
\
John Roberts: But it does appear that…

533
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00:49:16.490 --> 00:49:21.350
\
John Roberts: If you go the… you go the neighborhood plan route, you've got a legal status.

534
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00:49:21.650 --> 00:49:28.259
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John Roberts: If you go this neighborhood statement, it's got no legal status whatsoever.

535
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00:49:29.520 --> 00:49:31.159
\
John Roberts: It's a dangerous time.

536
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00:49:31.160 --> 00:49:37.320
\
Stuart Bacon: That was my… that was my reading of it as well, like, I see it as a very dangerous approach to,

537
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00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:43.930
\
John Roberts: It's… it's good for Cornwall to push them in that direction, because it means Cornwall can ignore their wishes.

538
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00:49:44.970 --> 00:49:49.630
\
John Roberts: It's not a direction I would advise anybody to go into, really.

539
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00:49:51.210 --> 00:50:00.400
\
Stuart Bacon: But they were a part of a pilot project that the government were pushing as part of the change with the new MPPF that was launched on Monday, this.

540
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00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:01.779
\
John Roberts: I haven't read it yet.

541
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00:50:02.390 --> 00:50:03.500
\
John Roberts: I bet you are.

542
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00:50:03.730 --> 00:50:06.950
\
Stuart Bacon: I haven't read all of it,

543
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00:50:07.510 --> 00:50:11.400
\
Stuart Bacon: But, effectively, it's… it's giving,

544
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00:50:13.060 --> 00:50:23.910
\
Stuart Bacon: giving parishes and communities a lot less opportunity to be consulted and inform anything to do with planning, it's a lot more dictatorial.

545
\
00:50:24.010 --> 00:50:26.710
\
Stuart Bacon: Than it is, consultative.

546
\
00:50:27.190 --> 00:50:35.300
\
John Roberts: Yeah, we've… we've already got a bit of that here, whereby If we had a planning come through.

547
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00:50:35.410 --> 00:50:39.279
\
John Roberts: And they wanted the decision before we were having a meeting, shall we say.

548
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00:50:39.770 --> 00:50:42.870
\
John Roberts: Very often, we… they would give us,

549
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00:50:43.650 --> 00:50:44.640
\
Stuart Bacon: Extension on the deadline.

550
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00:50:44.640 --> 00:50:46.000
\
John Roberts: Yeah, an extension, yeah.

551
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00:50:46.200 --> 00:50:47.300
\
John Roberts: No, they won't.

552
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00:50:48.200 --> 00:50:51.900
\
John Roberts: So we're having to hold planning meetings, the special meetings now.

553
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00:50:52.670 --> 00:50:54.210
\
John Roberts: Yeah. If we want to get it there.

554
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00:50:57.810 --> 00:51:03.940
\
John Roberts: whether or not Somerset knew what was coming, but they've been doing that now for about 6 weeks, 6 or 7 weeks.

555
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00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:09.230
\
John Roberts: And like you say, it's very, very much less.

556
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00:51:09.740 --> 00:51:15.740
\
John Roberts: consultation, we… you can't talk to a planning officer.

557
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00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:18.780
\
John Roberts: Or anything. You've got to put in a request.

558
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00:51:20.700 --> 00:51:23.810
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's gone all bureaucratic and not really very helpful.

559
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00:51:24.110 --> 00:51:25.520
\
Stuart Bacon: Yes.

560
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00:51:26.260 --> 00:51:31.360
\
John Roberts: Yes, that's one way of putting it. The other way of putting it is, is they can just carry on

561
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00:51:31.780 --> 00:51:34.489
\
John Roberts: They haven't got to consult now like they used to.

562
\
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:38.480
\
John Roberts: And what's… what's happening here?

563
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00:51:38.940 --> 00:51:45.660
\
John Roberts: It's… And I think that's part of this new bit, is that A lot of decisions now.

564
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00:51:46.470 --> 00:51:51.840
\
John Roberts: that would normally go to a planning committee. They're not. They're delegated to the planning officer.

565
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00:51:52.600 --> 00:51:53.850
\
John Roberts: And that's the end of it.

566
\
00:51:55.020 --> 00:51:59.410
\
Stuart Bacon: I think it all falls back to the fact that there's been a national shortage.

567
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00:51:59.890 --> 00:52:18.140
\
Stuart Bacon: of planning officers, with people having to sort of do multiple different areas across the country and whatever to keep things running. And yeah, so to expedite the process of how everything gets done and ensure,

568
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00:52:18.410 --> 00:52:22.390
\
Stuart Bacon: The numbers are met for building, because everybody's missing the targets.

569
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00:52:22.570 --> 00:52:24.540
\
Stuart Bacon: Yeah, it's…

570
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00:52:25.140 --> 00:52:32.320
\
Stuart Bacon: Stop people objecting, so that everything… you allow builders to build more and more, whether it's appropriate or not.

571
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00:52:32.560 --> 00:52:33.210
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Hmm.

572
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00:52:36.600 --> 00:52:38.460
\
Stuart Bacon: Sorry, that's my cynical view on it, but…

573
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00:52:39.260 --> 00:52:42.980
\
John Roberts: It's actually not a cynical view, because it's reality.

574
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00:52:43.330 --> 00:52:50.100
\
John Roberts: And come back to your original question, this is a damn good reason not to go with a community…

575
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00:52:50.290 --> 00:52:52.380
\
John Roberts: Whatever you want to call it. Neighbourhood.

576
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00:52:52.620 --> 00:52:54.370
\
Stuart Bacon: Nobel Priority Statement, yeah.

577
\
00:52:54.590 --> 00:52:57.090
\
John Roberts: You've got to go with a neighbourhood plan.

578
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00:53:00.270 --> 00:53:02.569
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's still some teeth to the neighbourhood plan, then.

579
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00:53:03.060 --> 00:53:03.610
\
John Roberts: Yeah.

580
\
00:53:03.610 --> 00:53:04.600
\
Stuart Bacon: At the moment, yeah.

581
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00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.040
\
John Roberts: Yeah, as I say, yeah, there is.

582
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00:53:07.750 --> 00:53:13.110
\
John Roberts: Because they're a legal entity, whereas this statement isn't as such.

583
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00:53:16.020 --> 00:53:22.190
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: I do have another question for you. A neighbor here is putting up a summer house, which is not…

584
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00:53:22.350 --> 00:53:32.770
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: requiring planning permission, provided he stays within the limits. And one of the limits is the height of the roof on a pitched roof has got to be within 4.3 meters.

585
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00:53:33.420 --> 00:53:38.229
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: But… They've put a great big concrete plinth underneath it.

586
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00:53:38.550 --> 00:53:41.730
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, does that count as part of the 4.3?

587
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00:53:42.130 --> 00:53:43.130
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do we know?

588
\
00:53:45.220 --> 00:53:47.650
\
Stuart Bacon: So, you're saying they've raised the base level.

589
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00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:53.040
\
Stuart Bacon: Yeah. And is it from the original ground level, or is it from the top of the base level now?

590
\
00:53:53.210 --> 00:53:55.120
\
Stuart Bacon: The measurement should be taken.

591
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00:53:55.120 --> 00:53:56.120
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Exactly.

592
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00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:03.690
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's actually… it's more than a foot deep, this plinth, so it's very solid.

593
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00:54:04.530 --> 00:54:06.100
\
Stuart Bacon: So, yeah.

594
\
00:54:06.100 --> 00:54:07.350
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Probably half a meter.

595
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00:54:07.350 --> 00:54:11.559
\
Stuart Bacon: So, effectively, it only gives them 4 meters rather than 4.3.

596
\
00:54:11.930 --> 00:54:14.280
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that's my question.

597
\
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:15.570
\
Stuart Bacon: I'm…

598
\
00:54:15.570 --> 00:54:22.589
\
John Roberts: I… I… personally, I would say that if the planning decided to measure it, they would take the original ground level.

599
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00:54:23.050 --> 00:54:25.270
\
Stuart Bacon: That would be my expectation.

600
\
00:54:25.270 --> 00:54:27.390
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, that makes a lot of sense.

601
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00:54:28.510 --> 00:54:29.890
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Okay, thank you.

602
\
00:54:31.540 --> 00:54:32.849
\
John Roberts: I know.

603
\
00:54:32.850 --> 00:54:36.970
\
Stuart Bacon: the difference between what was there and what is there now.

604
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00:54:36.970 --> 00:54:39.100
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Correct.

605
\
00:54:39.100 --> 00:54:42.820
\
John Roberts: The plinth is… the plinth is part of the new construction, isn't it?

606
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00:54:43.050 --> 00:54:45.899
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, yes, and yes, and yes.

607
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00:54:47.070 --> 00:54:51.950
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And you have to ask, why does a summer house need a sucking great sewer pipe outside it?

608
\
00:54:53.120 --> 00:54:54.710
\
Stuart Bacon: Probably because they want a toilet in it.

609
\
00:54:54.910 --> 00:55:00.990
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, but this is a very large, you know, like, for a 4- or 5-bedroom house.

610
\
00:55:02.060 --> 00:55:04.289
\
Stuart Bacon: That's, that's a monstrous… yeah.

611
\
00:55:05.140 --> 00:55:10.159
\
John Roberts: the, is the summer house actually disguising a nuclear bunker?

612
\
00:55:12.990 --> 00:55:15.719
\
Stuart Bacon: It's not Colin Furs building it, like, that's…

613
\
00:55:15.720 --> 00:55:23.539
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: funny enough, they've… they've put industrial air conditioning units on the side of the house.

614
\
00:55:23.890 --> 00:55:29.560
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the rules here, and particularly the… I should mention that this house is in a conservation area.

615
\
00:55:29.890 --> 00:55:37.770
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: The rules say that you have to put household air conditioners, not industrial ones, because they're so much bigger and noisier.

616
\
00:55:38.210 --> 00:55:41.380
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: they've gone ahead and done the industrial, so I think we're going to be…

617
\
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:50.650
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: We already had a reply back from the planning people saying, we've noticed your complaint, and we'll get to it as soon as our huge backlog permits us.

618
\
00:55:52.170 --> 00:55:59.109
\
Stuart Bacon: So, effectively, they run the timescale down and forget to manage it, and… yeah.

619
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00:55:59.110 --> 00:56:03.860
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: They may, but it's gonna be a… you know, the whole house would have been built for a year by the time they get around to it.

620
\
00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:09.709
\
John Roberts: The, I mean, Stuart mentioned the scarcity of planning officers, but…

621
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00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:12.379
\
John Roberts: It's even worse with enforcement officers.

622
\
00:56:12.540 --> 00:56:14.219
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, I'm sure it is.

623
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00:56:14.990 --> 00:56:18.110
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Gentlemen, I'm afraid I've got my class coming up, so I'm going to have to leave.

624
\
00:56:18.110 --> 00:56:18.680
\
John Roberts: Right.

625
\
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:22.939
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Would you wish to stay online, or would you like to say goodbye?

626
\
00:56:22.940 --> 00:56:26.030
\
John Roberts: No. No, I'm gonna say goodbye and go back to my workshop.

627
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00:56:26.310 --> 00:56:30.419
\
Stuart Bacon: Well, have a lovely weekend both, and see you next week.

628
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00:56:30.730 --> 00:56:31.750
\
John Roberts: See you next week.

629
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00:56:31.750 --> 00:56:33.689
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Your help and company, see you again. Take care.

630
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00:56:33.690 --> 00:56:34.759
\
John Roberts: And you, bye-bye.