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# 260522 - 22May26 - session 26-21

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#### Video Timeline:

00:00 - 03:22 banter\
03:22 - 08:00 Copying layers, organising layers in folders, restricting access to layers\
09:20 - 17:00 Asset Management reports, restricted access in Public Maps, bulk delete records - eg in Table View. Export data to spreadsheets, bulk amend records, and re-import the spreadsheet\
17:00 - 18:00 Public Maps - can use a slider to scroll through layers at Parish level, but not at global level. Select layeers by typing first few letters\
18:00 - 19:30 Recently introduced good points: cookie cutter holes, adjust layer column width\
19:30 - 22:00 increase awareness of banter sessions - go with NALC/SLCC\
22:00 - 24:00 banter\
24:00 - 41:00 CIC and local energy distribution (more banter than Parish Online)\
41:00 - end Farming banter

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#### Meerting Summary:

May 22, 2026 01:59 PM London ID: 897 5877 7706

### Quick recap

This meeting was a Parish Online user group discussion where participants shared feedback and feature requests for the system. Graham, Tristram, Stuart, and Alastair discussed various system improvements needed, including the ability to copy information between layers, better organization of parish layers, and the ability to add private parish data to collaborative layers. The group also addressed security concerns about sharing data with community groups and requested bulk delete functionality and the ability to export data for bulk updates. Additionally, the conversation shifted to energy initiatives, with Tristram sharing plans for a community energy scheme called Power Together, and Alastair discussing his farm's solar panel and battery setup while facing drought conditions affecting his crops. The conversation ended with recommendations for educational resources about climate change and sustainable farming practices.

### Next steps

#### Alastair

* Review the People's Emergency Briefing video and Solar Foods website as suggested by Graham, and consider incorporating relevant insights into the parish resilience plan.

#### Graham

* Publicize the existence of this Parish Online user group via NALC, SLCC, or other relevant newsletters/channels to attract more attendees and increase participation.

#### Tristram

* Follow up with Chris (and relevant technical team) regarding the possibility of enabling users to add private parish data to collaborative layers in Parish Online, and push for this functionality as a priority.
* Investigate and pursue the implementation of improved security and access controls for sharing Parish Online layers with community groups, including the ability to lock down access to specific layers.
* Raise with the technical team the user request for bulk delete functionality in table view, and the ability to export, update, and re-import layer data for bulk changes (bulk update).
* Discuss with the technical team the addition of a toggle and/or type-to-jump functionality when selecting layers for public maps to improve usability.
* Investigate the Green IOW (Isle of Wight) virtual energy sharing project and consider contacting them to learn about their software and approach for possible application in North Hampshire Energy CIC.
* Look into Fogstar batteries as a potential alternative/better value battery solution and share findings with Alastair and the group.

### Summary

#### User Feedback and Feature Requests

Graham and Tristram caught up on personal matters, including Graham's recent trip to Scotland and Tristram's Danube biking trip. The conversation then shifted to feedback from the previous week's session, where Stuart successfully managed a high demand for assistance. Key requests from users included the ability to copy information between layers and better organization of folders in parish layers, particularly for managing collaborative data and neighborhood plan information. Tristram explained that while these requests are important, they are not currently high priority due to ongoing XMAP developments and budget constraints.

#### Parish Online Customization Challenges

The group discussed challenges with Parish Online, focusing on the need for customizable layers that allow users to add their own data fields while maintaining basic information. Tristram and Graham agreed that a hybrid approach combining both private and official layers would be beneficial, as many users currently prefer private layers for customization. Graham noted a catch-22 situation where the system lacks useful reporting features because few people use it, and those who do use it extensively make specific demands that conflict with broader needs.

#### System Feature Enhancement Discussion

The group discussed several features they would like to see in the system, including better layer management capabilities and improved security for sharing parish online usership with community groups. Graham suggested the ability to bulk delete items from table view and export/import layer data, which Tristram noted was a "very bright suggestion" that would be added to his list of requests to Chris. The team expressed particular concern about security when sharing data with external groups, as current public map access doesn't allow for restricted access to specific parish layers.

#### Bulk Update System Challenges

Graham discussed the challenge of bulk updating dates across multiple items, explaining that the current system requires manual changes one by one or exporting to a spreadsheet for bulk updates. Tristram inquired about technical discussions with Chris and Simon regarding bulk updates, and Graham explained he has been banned from communicating with Simon due to time constraints. Stuart suggested an improvement to the public map feature, proposing the addition of a toggle function to make it easier to navigate long lists of layers.

#### System Feature Discussion Meeting

Graham, Tristram, and Stuart discussed issues with a system, including the need for a feature to jump to entries when typing the first couple of letters. They highlighted recent improvements, such as the ability to extract layers and adjust the width of the layers menu. Graham suggested promoting the user group through NALC and SLCC to increase attendance, and Tristram agreed this approach could help address reservations about the group's existence.

#### Internet and Energy Initiatives Discussion

The group discussed internet connectivity and energy initiatives across different locations. Stuart mentioned managing one project and overseeing a group of 11, while Retired discussed being in Spain but returning to Somerset. Graham shared his experience with fiber internet in the Isle of Wight and noted the superior connectivity in Switzerland. Tristram mentioned an upcoming launch of North Hampshire Energy CIC, which aims to allow electricity trading between members, though they are currently facing challenges with implementing the Energy Local software system.

#### Community Energy Sharing Projects

Graham shared information about Green IOW, an organization running a virtual energy sharing experiment that could potentially provide additional income from solar panels. Tristram expressed interest in learning more about their approach to energy trading. The group discussed Tristram's Power Together project, which aims to create the island's first community and virtual power plant across multiple parishes, with plans to demonstrate the concept in Parish Online. Graham also mentioned his public park EV charging project and the high cost from the DNO, while sharing details about Gamlingay's successful wind turbine that has provided 13% of their domestic electricity needs for 13 years.

#### Farm Renewable Energy Systems Discussion

The group discussed renewable energy systems on a farm. Alastair shared that they have solar panels and a Tesla Powerwall battery with 13.5 kilowatt hours capacity, but the battery depletes by 2-3 AM due to high evening energy usage from fridges and farm equipment. Tristram suggested exploring expired electric car batteries as a cheaper alternative, though Alastair noted their current system has intelligent monitoring features. The discussion also touched on the potential for upgrading to more efficient solar panels and the limitations of their single-phase electricity system for exporting excess power.

#### Fogstar Batteries and Weather Impact

The group discussed the current dry weather affecting grass growth, with Alastair noting they are selling cows due to lack of grass and mentioning recent rainfall was their first in weeks. The conversation shifted to a discussion about Fogstar batteries, with Tristram recommending them as efficient and British-made, though Alastair expressed concerns about relying on Chinese components and manufacturing. The discussion concluded with observations about the increasing presence of Chinese cars in Scotland and concerns about their long-term durability.

#### Farming Challenges and Solutions Discussion

The group discussed Alastair's farming challenges, including water storage issues with his 50,000 litre tanks and problems with filtration systems that lose significant water through blocked filters. Alastair reported rising input costs, with fertiliser prices doubling from 300 to 550, and noted that extreme weather has destroyed spring crops while leaving dead earth between green strips. The discussion explored solutions including hydroponics, indoor farming, and worm farming, with Graham recommending Alastair watch "The Age of Stupid" and "People's Emergency Briefing" videos, and suggesting he look into Solar Food's technology for sustainable food production.

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#### Chat:

00:27:22 Retired Clerk: Green Isle of Wight: [Sustainability & Energy Solutions](https://greeniow.org.uk/)

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#### Audio-Transcript:

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Dr. Carey, a wonderful scene, a wonderful face!

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tristram cary: It's a… it's a long time.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Happy New Year to you!

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tristram cary: How's your trip to wherever you've been?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I went last week to Scotland with John, and we had a wonderful time. It was great seeing… I went to see Q, and he and his wife. Do you ever remember a guy called Tim Willis?

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tristram cary: No.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, he was a Blake Ike, but he was, he and I did a lot of sailing together of a small dinghy, which we owned and had the magnificent, habit of falling to pieces every time we took it out.

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tristram cary: on the dot.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, well, no, this was actually in the Midway, when we were at, Chatham together.

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tristram cary: Damn!

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: The classic example, this was an International 14, and we were planing at huge speed. I mean, Chris is… sorry, Tim is a really good driver, and we were going at full pelt back and forth across the redway, and suddenly the mast fell out, and so we fell into the water, and it was all very jolly.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And a laughing bloke came to rescue us as we hauled ourselves up on the pontoon. It turned out to be Commander E of the dockyard.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And he said, I think I better have somebody fix that for you.

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tristram cary: Oh, that's very good.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And then we did a lot of sailing on his yacht, which… the main feature of the yacht was a stoke… a Coke stove inside, which had a rum toddy sitting on the top of it all the time.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, this was very cold weather, it was in the spring term, so we were.

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tristram cary: I'm doing.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Belie.

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tristram cary: Hold up!

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So I got to know the Medway, sailing up and down, and he's one of these people who says, I wonder which pub we should go to next.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, it was good. Anyway, that's where I… I went to see Tim Williams. He's not doing so well health-wise. He's got a collapsed lung.

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tristram cary: Dear.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Or else I'm really doing…

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tristram cary: Remember, Docherty.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Did I do who?

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tristram cary: Derek Docherty.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: No, I don't know him.

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tristram cary: He was a… he was at IEA, Grenville man, but a good friend of Kew, because I was telling you, he doesn't… he absolutely withdrawn from the naval network. He went… went…

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tristram cary: And he said, he said for me to send my regards to Q, because he knew him well from some cadet experience.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

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tristram cary: That's good, I emailed Q, but he's also… he's got Parkinson's, poor chap, and… Not, not doing so well.

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tristram cary: Yeah, he lives here, he lives here in Farnborough.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, right, oh, right, okay.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, you've been traveling, too. Didn't you disappear off the first week of May?

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tristram cary: I've been biking down in the Danube, which was very nice.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Wow.

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tristram cary: Where's good.

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tristram cary: Yes, we went from Paso to, Vienna.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And where do you spend the nights?

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tristram cary: So, you know, it's the easy camp… it's biking for softies, so we went to the various hotels, and our bags were taken forward. It was very nice.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I should…

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tristram cary: Nothing dramatic. Nice, Juan, how are you?

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Stuart Bacon: Not so bad, thank you. Not so bad. Don't let me stop you.

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tristram cary: No, no, just…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Thank you for last week, Stuart. I thought it was a wonderful, wonderful display of how to help people.

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tristram cary: Good, what was that?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, Stuart was running things because I was in Scotland.

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tristram cary: Very good.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Inevitably, he got more people than we've seen in weeks.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And, and was able to… and they all wanted hugely complicated things to do.

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tristram cary: That was very good.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So lots of clients. It's a great shame you didn't come last week, Tristram, because the most common comment was, we've been asking for this for years.

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tristram cary: Well, now it's been… now it's been delivered, or it's still waiting?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, really?

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Stuart Bacon: Excellent.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, no, no, no, still waiting. Still waiting.

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tristram cary: Which particular one is that?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: We'd love to have the ability to, copy information between layers.

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tristram cary: Bye.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: More than we can at the moment. And then, inevitably, the main one is, can we please, please, please organize our folders in the parish layers?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: so we can move things around. I mean, I know we can.

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tristram cary: To me, the biggest one, it seems to me to be, if you've got a collaborative layer, which I know they've sort of all withdrawn a bit, but if we're going to have those, we need to be able to add to… we need to be able to add private parish data

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tristram cary: To that… to that… Whatever it is, that data set.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: To the collaborative later.

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tristram cary: If you're going to have… say, for instance, if you're going to have a national dataset of park benches.

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tristram cary: You need… the parish needs to be able to then have its own data that says, you know, this bench was contributed by, or here's the inscription, or here's the person where you.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, the same as you do with cemeteries, so, but.

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tristram cary: Yeah, exactly.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, great, yes.

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tristram cary: That's what I'm pushing for the hardest. All the rest, I put you on the back burner.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, that will be popular.

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Stuart Bacon: Well, I think that the thing last week was just wanting to be able to organize the layers a little bit more, so that you could, sort of, have a little bit more coordination between layers that are in use, and layers that are…

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Stuart Bacon: more… historic.

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Stuart Bacon: Where people have got, sort of, neighbourhood plan data that is in the parish layers, not in the neighbourhood plan layers, because they set the neighbourhood plans up before the neighbourhood plan layers existed.

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tristram cary: Yeah.

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Stuart Bacon: Whatever.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, so you can just sort of keep that a little bit tidier. If, if you, if the…

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Stuart Bacon: If the layered system was tiered, I suppose.

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tristram cary: You can nest, you can nest things.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah.

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tristram cary: Yeah, I agree. And what's… what's the answer, I should know, but what's the answer to your… to the requests for that from the team?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's on the list, we'll get to it when we can.

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Stuart Bacon: It's not… whenever I've mentioned it to Chris, it's just… that's not something we can do at the minute.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, it's clearly doable, it's just not high on his list of importance.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah.

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tristram cary: It is a bugger, it is a bugger. We are, you know…

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tristram cary: The trouble is, we've got a lot going on, so in the background, you know, there's a lot… there's XMAP developments and discussions with particular districts and everything, and we can't afford to have, you know, a bigger team, because we've got to stay solvent. And so I think… I think things do get… I'm afraid, things get stacked up, and the parish online things are probably

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tristram cary: Bit at the end of the queue.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, I think you should take a tip from our Chancellors of the Exchequerade and whack up enormous debts that we're never going to pay back.

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tristram cary: Huh? If only that were possible. Anyway, I'm… yeah, I hear you. But I'm hoping… I'm hoping to make a breakthrough on that one, of being able to add… because that seems to be important. What you said, Stuart, about people having their private

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tristram cary: parish layers, and then not using the, you know, the official ones, if you like. That wouldn't be… people would use the official ones if they could add their own data, if there was a field that they felt was missing.

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Stuart Bacon: Yeah, yeah, I thought if you could, sort of,

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Stuart Bacon: Customize those a little, that would… that would really help.

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tristram cary: Because I find, in our parish, we looked at that, we said, well, shall we use the neighborhood plan layers? And we said, well, actually, no, because it… you know, we want to… we want to maintain some data that's not in that… that structure. And the idea that you could do it and just add… endlessly add new fields, that's… that's a mistake as well, because the whole thing gets too…

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tristram cary: It needs to be a combination. I think you need… you need the base… you need just the basic information for the… for the, layers you're going to make…

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tristram cary: collaborative layers, not all that guff that you don't want, sure.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, I think that a lot of people go with private bears in the parish layers because they can customize them to their own.

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tristram cary: That's true.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: shoes.

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tristram cary: Exactly.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But… Well, the person.

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tristram cary: Is it just us two?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: The person who signed up to come today hasn't arrived yet, and, Richard

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: From, Mr. Gursi. We'll be with us as soon as he's finished a previous call.

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Stuart Bacon: You mean he's… he's actually working and not sitting outside enjoying the sunshine? Like, that's…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, the way he put it was he's suddenly been made aware of a meeting he has to be at.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think, so…

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Stuart Bacon: No.

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Retired Clerk: I know, I, you know, as migrants, can't, can't, can't sort of comment on such things, that's about you to resolve.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Energy efforts going? Are they success? Are you now?

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tristram cary: Oh, yeah, we're making… no, I mean, nothing, nothing dramatic. We're about to launch this, CIC, which is North Hampshire Energy.

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tristram cary: Where we are… where we're stuck at the moment is getting the software for, I think, a place called Energy Local that'll allow us to trade

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tristram cary: Electricity between the members of the team, you know, so the parish, if you join… join up.

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tristram cary: You… you can trade… you can trade and… both ways. You can sell and receive energy from the local parish.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, I have a new thought for you. An organization called Green IOW for Isle of Wight.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they have written to me to say, we're going to do a virtual energy exercise. If you can let us have access to your solar panels and your battery, then we'll link them up to everybody else around you, and you'll be able to share power

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: If you need theirs, then you get it, and if they need yours, then they get it, and they think that we'll all benefit from about £100 extra income from our solar panels this way.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But they're running it as a guinea pig experiment.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I… since I don't have my solar panels in store yet, it didn't actually apply to me. I was already on their, sort of, interested party list.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Spirit, in spirit, if not in photograph.

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Alastair boyd: Nothing photograph. I'm sorry about that.

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Alastair boyd: Fantastic amount of arrows around at the moment.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Attorney?

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Alastair boyd: I really know what's going on.

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Alastair boyd: Perhaps I should join… come out and join in again.

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Alastair boyd: or something came up about some, organization, did I want to…

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Retired Clerk: In the chat.

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Alastair boyd: So I decided not to.

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Alastair boyd: Well, I don't know with all the bugs I get these days. Anyway, we'll see what happens.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, Richard, thank you very much. Well done.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, who actually… who is it actually?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alright, sustainability and Energy Solutions.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: UK, I beg your pardon, Christian, I forgot.

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Retired Clerk: Are you the… are you the plus for the… one of the 8,445?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Probably.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Is that who they got as members?

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Stuart Bacon: 8,445.

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Stuart Bacon: is engaged. 2,060 homes plus supported.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: We've got 8,000 islanders engaged, yeah.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: You're glad…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Actually, I'm amazed at, some of the stuff that's going on here. You know, the,

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: The banter sessions, both here for Parish Online and the ones I do for great collaboration, are really fascinatingly reassuring, because there are just so many skill sets and experiences lying around the country.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I think the vast majority of people, and particularly politicians, have no idea it exists.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But I'm always fascinated by the stuff that is going on. So here you've got, as you say, the Isle of Wight, whom everyone says is 50 years behind the times, and yet they've got 8,000 people signed up for the energy stuff.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And, and you missed a really fascinating topic of, worms that I put on the other week.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: For the guy who's invented a worm factory.

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tristram cary: Yeah, it's not… I heard about that.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, it's fantastic for rejuvenating tired soil.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But that's it. Then you would perish online.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Alastair, I need to do my standard check with you to see if you've arrived brim-full of urgent questions that you need answering.

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Alastair boyd: I have come, I'm busy at the moment, he doesn't want to open the camera for some reason.

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Alastair boyd: But, carry on, don't be held up by me by any chance.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: We're mostly bantering at the moment. We've been hitting Tristram at all the list of things that he's got to fix.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: We haven't… we haven't put a deadline on it yet, but next Friday would be fine, Tristan.

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tristram cary: I'm looking at… okay, I'm looking at, Power Together, the island's first community and virtual power plant.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

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tristram cary: That's what we're talking about.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I thought that maybe, you know, under the spirit of great collaboration, you could all be chatting to each other and learning.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But you've got enough houses in…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Your little neighborhood to sort of start.

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tristram cary: We've got plenty, because we can use Hart… we're going to have two parishes leading, which is Ushot and Winfield, but we can invite other ones in to give it a critical mass.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And… Of course, the first place you'll be able to want to demonstrate all this is in Paris Online.

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tristram cary: Yeah, that would be good.

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tristram cary: No, actually, it'll only be a signpost from Parrish alone.

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tristram cary: Energy Local has all the software that does the…

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tristram cary: It's quite complicated. And you have to, you have to…

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tristram cary: There are so many rules with the DNO, whatever that's done, so the, you know, the network operators.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Car park is a substation.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And so we thought, well, this is marvelous, we can just hook into that, and away we go. And the DNO said, yes, of course you can, that'll be no problem, provided you pay us 50,000 pounds.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: I would like some evidence from others, like yourself, as to whether you've got better rates.

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tristram cary: Well, I'm not… I'm not aware there's any fixed charge. It's all done on… because you have to… you know, if you've got a local energy scheme, you still have to be able to buy energy from an energy provider.

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tristram cary: And you get charged for that on a, you know, on a per kilowatt hour rate.

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tristram cary: But if there is.

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tristram cary: Yeah, but that wouldn't be 50,000 pounds, really?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, actually, that work is done by our contractor anyway, not by the DNO.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But… Anyway, Lucy.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: But if you're starting a whole thing that you can see spreading across the country, then, Crystal, we should be…

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Demonstrate.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Ash Online.

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tristram cary: Absolutely. But I think… I think it won't be… the idea won't be to… I think the idea is to have…

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tristram cary: Quite a lot of small ones were following the same model.

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tristram cary: I think you want… you want the energy to vote local, because that encourages, you know, if it's run at a parish level, I think that's a big marketing push. People will join, because they… it's like a village project.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, we've got… Do you know about Gambling Gay?

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: They're the ones that in, Cambridge, who are way ahead of the rest of the country, I think, in where they're going on climate change. They installed a wind turbine

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: For the village, back in 2013, so it's had 13 years of running, and in that time, it's provided, about 13% of their total domestic electricity use, and it generates £10,000 a year for the parish council to spend.

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tristram cary: Brilliant.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: on climate change products, which I think is superb.

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tristram cary: Amazing.

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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, given that Bembrich has the only windmill on the island, I'm about to replace it with a wind turbine, and that won't generate any upsets at all.

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tristram cary: What you've got to watch at the moment? Windmill.

440
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00:34:27.909 --> 00:34:32.469
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes, the old, you know, used to grind corn and so forth.

441
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00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:34.560
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tristram cary: Is it… is it working?

442
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00:34:34.929 --> 00:34:41.819
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Sort of on one day a year, I think they sort of start the sales up, just to excite everybody, and then that's it.

443
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00:34:44.600 --> 00:34:45.930
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tristram cary: Yeah, that'd be a good idea.

444
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00:34:47.580 --> 00:34:49.370
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tristram cary: You've got enough wins, Dana.

445
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00:34:49.900 --> 00:34:53.709
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Absolutely, because they wouldn't have put it there in the first place, would they, if you didn't have, wouldn't

446
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00:34:55.110 --> 00:34:56.830
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: There you go, Asther, you're now back in.

447
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00:34:56.830 --> 00:35:06.370
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Alastair boyd: Oh, right. Yes. I've been looking at myself for a few minutes. Apparently, I got a camera opening somewhere else. They didn't like it.

448
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00:35:07.160 --> 00:35:08.270
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

449
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00:35:08.580 --> 00:35:12.749
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Alastair boyd: I could do is really make myself smaller, but… We'll work on that one.

450
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00:35:12.910 --> 00:35:19.329
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Alastair boyd: No, we've put, we've had solar panels for some time, and we put a battery in a couple of months ago.

451
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00:35:19.650 --> 00:35:21.410
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Alastair boyd: And it's only 13M.

452
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00:35:21.520 --> 00:35:26.650
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Alastair boyd: And it, stores a bit up over night time, but by 2 o'clock or 3 o'clock in the morning, it's empty.

453
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00:35:27.140 --> 00:35:27.990
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Really?

454
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00:35:27.990 --> 00:35:28.660
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Alastair boyd: Yeah.

455
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00:35:28.890 --> 00:35:29.660
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well…

456
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00:35:30.330 --> 00:35:33.330
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Alastair boyd: But it's quite fascinating where all the power is being used.

457
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00:35:33.520 --> 00:35:35.779
\
tristram cary: Where is it being used at that time of the day?

458
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00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:41.560
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Alastair boyd: It's, it's really strange. It's going to fridges and compressors and things like that.

459
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00:35:43.390 --> 00:35:46.289
\
tristram cary: Blind me. How big… what's the capacity of the battery?

460
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00:35:46.290 --> 00:35:47.750
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Alastair boyd: 13.5.

461
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00:35:49.130 --> 00:35:50.129
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's about the right size.

462
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00:35:50.130 --> 00:35:50.800
\
tristram cary: What's ours.

463
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00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:51.659
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: I'm just gonna…

464
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00:35:51.660 --> 00:35:55.860
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Alastair boyd: So, we really, we really want another one, but it's another 6 grand, so…

465
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00:35:58.050 --> 00:36:00.250
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tristram cary: That's 13.5 kilowatt hours.

466
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00:36:00.250 --> 00:36:00.930
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Alastair boyd: Yes.

467
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00:36:01.110 --> 00:36:01.830
\
Retired Clerk: Yes.

468
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00:36:01.830 --> 00:36:04.289
\
tristram cary: God, I'm amazed your fridge it is to get through that.

469
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00:36:04.290 --> 00:36:08.329
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Alastair boyd: Whereas there's the bigger fridges, it's not just your house fridges, it's his farm.

470
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00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.060
\
tristram cary: Oh, right. Oh, sorry, right.

471
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00:36:11.560 --> 00:36:18.440
\
Alastair boyd: It gets… it gets stolen between the panels and the mains coming in. It's, fine.

472
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00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:22.019
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: You just put up a wind turbine, that's clearly what you need.

473
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00:36:22.550 --> 00:36:25.789
\
tristram cary: Right, have you… two things, two ideas.

474
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00:36:26.200 --> 00:36:31.790
\
tristram cary: But I'm struggling for a name, I'll have to go and look. But have you thought about using,

475
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00:36:32.350 --> 00:36:34.309
\
tristram cary: expired car batteries.

476
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00:36:34.830 --> 00:36:36.199
\
Alastair boyd: Nope, we haven't.

477
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00:36:36.200 --> 00:36:50.760
\
tristram cary: Because car batteries are much bigger. An electric car has, like, 60… 60 kilometers, and they… and of course, in the car, it's very important that they work efficiently. But if you get… if they start to run down, and you only get 80% of the charge.

478
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00:36:50.890 --> 00:36:52.310
\
tristram cary: they get replaced.

479
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00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:58.140
\
tristram cary: And there's a market for selling those batteries, so for you on the farm.

480
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00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:04.609
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tristram cary: that would be fine. Yeah. 80% of… 80% of 6 kilowatt hours would be very little. You're right.

481
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00:37:04.610 --> 00:37:12.460
\
Alastair boyd: This battery, it works out what's coming down. It will only release onto the grid what is spare.

482
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00:37:12.770 --> 00:37:19.049
\
Alastair boyd: And it, monitors… it isn't just a matter of storage, it does quite a bit of clever stuff as well.

483
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00:37:19.050 --> 00:37:24.040
\
tristram cary: Yeah, but I… but I can't… you would think you'd be able to add more battery capacity to that and have that same.

484
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00:37:24.040 --> 00:37:24.440
\
Alastair boyd: NW.

485
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00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:25.550
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tristram cary: different software.

486
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00:37:25.550 --> 00:37:28.540
\
Alastair boyd: This is Tesla, though, so… It's not funny.

487
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00:37:28.540 --> 00:37:30.289
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: The Powerwall, is it, right?

488
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00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.890
\
Alastair boyd: No, it's not Chinese.

489
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00:37:32.660 --> 00:37:33.170
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: John.

490
\
00:37:33.170 --> 00:37:37.029
\
Alastair boyd: That means you can keep adding them up in a row, and hope that they don't turn them off, but .

491
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00:37:38.650 --> 00:37:48.579
\
tristram cary: Okay, that's all I did. And the other thing, there was a company that's, I'm told, is brilliant, has much cheaper batteries. And when I think of the name, I'll tell you. I'll try to find it.

492
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00:37:49.150 --> 00:38:00.230
\
Alastair boyd: There's a horrendous amount of people advertising all sorts of things, but they're even talking, putting panels on the north side of a building. Yes. It can produce electricity.

493
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00:38:00.230 --> 00:38:02.919
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Because they're so efficient nowadays, yeah.

494
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00:38:03.590 --> 00:38:08.570
\
Alastair boyd: Ours were 240 watt, and the ones nowadays are 480, so…

495
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00:38:09.870 --> 00:38:10.620
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yep.

496
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00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:13.400
\
Alastair boyd: But we're limited by how much we can export.

497
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00:38:13.510 --> 00:38:15.289
\
Alastair boyd: Because we're only single phase.

498
\
00:38:16.010 --> 00:38:16.700
\
tristram cary: True.

499
\
00:38:17.160 --> 00:38:24.430
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, it doesn't apply to you, sir. You can go out and buy ones that you just plug into your main socket now.

500
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00:38:24.980 --> 00:38:29.110
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Plug in the service house, and they'll charge the house.

501
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00:38:29.850 --> 00:38:38.810
\
Alastair boyd: Yeah, well, we've connected all our houses up to, apart from the lodges, up to the farm, so it goes through the meter, the

502
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00:38:39.080 --> 00:38:40.319
\
Alastair boyd: Powerwall first.

503
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00:38:41.980 --> 00:38:42.770
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

504
\
00:38:45.670 --> 00:38:50.490
\
Alastair boyd: But what we don't know is how its efficiency's dropping, because they're now at 18 years old.

505
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00:38:50.830 --> 00:38:55.300
\
Alastair boyd: And, we've had, one,

506
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00:38:56.190 --> 00:38:59.979
\
Alastair boyd: the box of tricks, it converts it into… from DC to AC.

507
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00:39:00.310 --> 00:39:01.750
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Universally, absolutely.

508
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00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:03.789
\
Alastair boyd: Yeah, that was a thousand pounds.

509
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00:39:06.130 --> 00:39:14.920
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: I have heard of people, though, who put in installations some time ago, just taking them out and replacing them, because the new efficiencies are so much greater.

510
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00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:15.730
\
Retired Clerk: Mmm.

511
\
00:39:15.940 --> 00:39:19.260
\
Alastair boyd: Well, it's whether you've got the capital to do that in the business.

512
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00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:21.430
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes. Yeah, well…

513
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00:39:21.710 --> 00:39:24.130
\
Alastair boyd: At the moment, we're selling cows because we haven't got any grass.

514
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00:39:25.250 --> 00:39:25.750
\
tristram cary: Go.

515
\
00:39:27.940 --> 00:39:29.060
\
tristram cary: Or folk stuff.

516
\
00:39:29.060 --> 00:39:32.899
\
Stuart Bacon: It's not gonna do you any help in, getting the grass back, is it?

517
\
00:39:32.900 --> 00:39:33.540
\
Alastair boyd: No.

518
\
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.610
\
Alastair boyd: No, you're going to try and look at what we've got for the winter.

519
\
00:39:37.190 --> 00:39:39.450
\
tristram cary: I'll focus on batteries.

520
\
00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:41.090
\
Alastair boyd: The who?

521
\
00:39:41.430 --> 00:39:51.870
\
tristram cary: Fogstar, F-O-G-S-T-A-R. And somebody who's in the business told me that those batteries are remarkably… efficient and good.

522
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00:39:52.870 --> 00:39:54.800
\
Alastair boyd: Are they Japanese, Chinese, and…

523
\
00:39:55.310 --> 00:40:03.870
\
tristram cary: No, I think that… well, I think the… probably the components are, but it's… I think it's a British company, so I don't know how that works, but have a look.

524
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00:40:04.300 --> 00:40:09.620
\
Alastair boyd: Yeah. Well, the panels we bought were German, because we wanted to have nothing to do with the Chinese.

525
\
00:40:12.130 --> 00:40:12.840
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Right.

526
\
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:14.000
\
tristram cary: Why is that?

527
\
00:40:14.470 --> 00:40:16.450
\
tristram cary: Aren't they miles more expensive?

528
\
00:40:16.450 --> 00:40:22.320
\
Alastair boyd: They were more expensive, but we're not… we're not having to be held in by Chinese.

529
\
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:27.840
\
Alastair boyd: I think they've got a lot of buttons to push that might cause a lot of problems in the future.

530
\
00:40:28.050 --> 00:40:28.810
\
tristram cary: Yo.

531
\
00:40:30.870 --> 00:40:32.210
\
Alastair boyd: Very clever folk.

532
\
00:40:33.930 --> 00:40:37.330
\
Alastair boyd: And they're strangling every industry, they're strangling…

533
\
00:40:37.690 --> 00:40:41.760
\
Alastair boyd: You look how many Chinese cars there's on the road now, it's quite frightening.

534
\
00:40:44.300 --> 00:40:44.830
\
tristram cary: dumb.

535
\
00:40:47.890 --> 00:40:58.660
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: When I was driving around Scotland last week, I was amazed by the number of J Coups that I came across, which is so roughly the equivalent of an electric Range Rover.

536
\
00:40:58.660 --> 00:40:59.170
\
Alastair boyd: Hmm.

537
\
00:40:59.170 --> 00:41:00.649
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: But for half the price.

538
\
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:01.660
\
Alastair boyd: Yeah.

539
\
00:41:01.660 --> 00:41:03.410
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And, they're everywhere.

540
\
00:41:03.980 --> 00:41:06.530
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So those Kenny Scots are spending…

541
\
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.220
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Less money to get roughly the same sort of performance.

542
\
00:41:11.510 --> 00:41:15.009
\
Alastair boyd: We don't know if it's going to be turned into a rust bucket or not for a few years, do we?

543
\
00:41:17.200 --> 00:41:18.779
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: I missed that, sorry.

544
\
00:41:18.780 --> 00:41:26.630
\
Alastair boyd: We don't know if they're going to turn into, like the Japanese did, after about 4 or 5 years, they turned to rust buckets. You don't know if that's going to be the same with the Chinese one.

545
\
00:41:29.660 --> 00:41:30.690
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: motel.

546
\
00:41:30.690 --> 00:41:31.250
\
Alastair boyd: Yep.

547
\
00:41:32.010 --> 00:41:34.510
\
Alastair boyd: By which time it's too late you've done it.

548
\
00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:42.720
\
Alastair boyd: It's 25 degrees here at the moment.

549
\
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:44.000
\
Retired Clerk: Good.

550
\
00:41:44.610 --> 00:41:45.360
\
Stuart Bacon: Nice.

551
\
00:41:47.590 --> 00:41:50.040
\
Alastair boyd: What are you looking out of the bare field.

552
\
00:41:52.430 --> 00:41:55.900
\
Stuart Bacon: From the, that perspective, but, yeah.

553
\
00:41:57.660 --> 00:42:01.999
\
Alastair boyd: We had a day's rain about last week, and that's the first we've had for weeks.

554
\
00:42:02.790 --> 00:42:04.620
\
tristram cary: God, it's very tough.

555
\
00:42:04.860 --> 00:42:07.620
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And yet you had the wettest February ever. Yep.

556
\
00:42:08.120 --> 00:42:09.389
\
Alastair boyd: Blood's the works.

557
\
00:42:10.590 --> 00:42:16.730
\
Alastair boyd: It's more like 1976, where we had no rain from the spring bank holiday to the August bank holiday.

558
\
00:42:17.290 --> 00:42:17.900
\
Retired Clerk: Yep.

559
\
00:42:17.900 --> 00:42:20.249
\
Alastair boyd: And then it poured from then to Christmas.

560
\
00:42:20.730 --> 00:42:22.660
\
Retired Clerk: You're gonna get annoying.

561
\
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:27.010
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Do you have any way of storing the water on your farm?

562
\
00:42:27.010 --> 00:42:31.930
\
Alastair boyd: We have two, large 50,000 liter, tanks.

563
\
00:42:32.180 --> 00:42:34.279
\
Alastair boyd: But they take the roof water.

564
\
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:43.729
\
Alastair boyd: But as the water comes off the roof, all the moss and all the other bits and pieces go with it. Yeah. And it goes over filters. There's a coarse filter and a fine filter.

565
\
00:42:44.200 --> 00:42:46.710
\
Alastair boyd: And the fine filter grows an algae on him.

566
\
00:42:47.130 --> 00:42:48.599
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: move forward. Right.

567
\
00:42:48.600 --> 00:42:53.190
\
Alastair boyd: When you get a real good rain, you'll find that 3 quarters of it's gone down the waste pipe.

568
\
00:42:54.270 --> 00:43:00.459
\
Alastair boyd: It's a great idea, but it needs something sorted out with either a rotary screen or something put on it.

569
\
00:43:00.710 --> 00:43:03.810
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah, just so you can rotate it to clean it, yeah.

570
\
00:43:03.810 --> 00:43:06.039
\
Alastair boyd: So it spins it off, but, yeah.

571
\
00:43:08.240 --> 00:43:09.649
\
Alastair boyd: Full of bright ideas.

572
\
00:43:12.230 --> 00:43:14.100
\
tristram cary: Yeah, so I was a bit gloomy.

573
\
00:43:15.130 --> 00:43:17.719
\
Alastair boyd: It's just slightly depressing at the moment.

574
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00:43:19.180 --> 00:43:23.329
\
tristram cary: And then the cost of your inputs is shooting up as well.

575
\
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:24.939
\
Alastair boyd: So, days are doubled.

576
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00:43:25.450 --> 00:43:26.200
\
Alastair boyd: Fertile.

577
\
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:29.900
\
Alastair boyd: We went from 64 to 120.

578
\
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.589
\
Alastair boyd: Fertilizer went from about 300 to 550, if you can get hold of it.

579
\
00:43:35.540 --> 00:43:38.480
\
Alastair boyd: Yeah, it's, yeah, spooky.

580
\
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:39.410
\
tristram cary: God…

581
\
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:45.839
\
Retired Clerk: Yeah, I can still fly from Alicanty to Bristol tomorrow for $16.99.

582
\
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:46.250
\
Alastair boyd: That's right.

583
\
00:43:46.250 --> 00:43:46.929
\
Retired Clerk: effectiveness on it.

584
\
00:43:47.290 --> 00:43:48.190
\
Alastair boyd: Yep.

585
\
00:43:48.190 --> 00:43:51.589
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's 16 pounds, nearly 17 grid.

586
\
00:43:51.590 --> 00:43:52.840
\
Retired Clerk: Yep.

587
\
00:43:53.740 --> 00:43:54.450
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: That's an easy…

588
\
00:43:54.450 --> 00:43:59.360
\
Alastair boyd: Is that more than one way? Sometimes they have you on the way out and grab you on the way back.

589
\
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.570
\
Retired Clerk: No, it's cheaper on the way back.

590
\
00:44:01.720 --> 00:44:04.689
\
Retired Clerk: But I didn't want to… I didn't want to upset you too much.

591
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00:44:04.850 --> 00:44:07.419
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: You said, ".

592
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00:44:07.420 --> 00:44:15.470
\
tristram cary: Alistair, are you noticing that you're getting extreme weather more and more, and it's making things… having a financial impact?

593
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00:44:15.470 --> 00:44:16.770
\
Alastair boyd: Yeah, yeah.

594
\
00:44:17.180 --> 00:44:17.990
\
Alastair boyd: Yeah.

595
\
00:44:18.160 --> 00:44:25.530
\
Alastair boyd: It's a lot of crops… spring crops are gone, and then there's… there's a few green stropes up the field, but a lot of dead earth between.

596
\
00:44:26.250 --> 00:44:27.080
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Ouch.

597
\
00:44:27.550 --> 00:44:33.719
\
tristram cary: So what do you think's going to happen to the industry as a whole? Are we going to farm less and import more, or what?

598
\
00:44:33.720 --> 00:44:37.900
\
Alastair boyd: Well, you have to import more, and where are you going to get it from? I don't know, because Spain's got the same problem.

599
\
00:44:39.450 --> 00:44:42.100
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: If anything, they're worse down there, aren't they?

600
\
00:44:42.100 --> 00:44:46.669
\
Alastair boyd: I think I said to you before about, you know, people don't realize how near they are to starvation.

601
\
00:44:48.250 --> 00:44:57.249
\
tristram cary: And what about, what about, sort of hydroponics and growing crops in, like the Chinese do, in sort of indoor farms that are all managed?

602
\
00:44:57.250 --> 00:44:58.799
\
Alastair boyd: Boy, it's another option, isn't it?

603
\
00:44:59.180 --> 00:45:04.100
\
Alastair boyd: No, but the thing is, a lot of our water here comes from aquifers.

604
\
00:45:04.100 --> 00:45:04.640
\
Retired Clerk: Mmm.

605
\
00:45:04.640 --> 00:45:09.349
\
Alastair boyd: And they're building now with about, 8,000 houses in Ashford.

606
\
00:45:10.010 --> 00:45:13.510
\
Alastair boyd: And, where that water will come from, I don't know.

607
\
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:24.639
\
Alastair boyd: Originally, on the farmers farming, we had the high-speed railway come through in front of the farm, and the high-speed, the motorway come the other side of the farm.

608
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00:45:24.950 --> 00:45:28.450
\
Alastair boyd: And they cut through the spring line.

609
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Ugh.

610
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Alastair boyd: They, they took, they, they took the, they… where the motorway, foundation would go on, that's the sand where they built the concrete on.

611
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Alastair boyd: They found this water, the lovely emerald water, and they dug down with a digger 20 foot deep. The water was to the top, they dug down through all the swallow, and they progressively put more and more 9-inch pumps onto it, and it didn't move, the water.

612
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Alastair boyd: And this was actually the aquifer that we were drawing our mains from.

613
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, shit.

614
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Alastair boyd: They then had to dig furiously to dig a hole to get the foundation of the bridge in.

615
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Alastair boyd: And then they put in a French drain down the side, so effectively took down the water table by 2 or 3 meters, if not 4 meters.

616
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tristram cary: Ugh.

617
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Alastair boyd: And, we had Silso come out because we were getting dry.

618
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Alastair boyd: And they did pause, and they could see where the water in wintertime normally would rise and fall by the…

619
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Alastair boyd: Rust on the water was bright red. It was, a sort of bluey color where it was no oxygen.

620
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Alastair boyd: But we said to the people who built it, and they didn't want to know. Now, one of the main pumps of pumps for our area, it's out of the water in the summertime.

621
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Alastair boyd: Because the water table's gone down so far. There's no… there's hardly any springs along the downs now.

622
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Alastair boyd: The water's gone.

623
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tristram cary: Because Erk has been drained.

624
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Alastair boyd: Yeah.

625
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So… We don't know.

626
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Alastair boyd: Are you talking about

627
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Alastair boyd: on the downs. The water has to go through the downs, through the chalk, to get to the aquifer.

628
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tristram cary: Which takes… which takes years.

629
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Alastair boyd: Well, it takes a long time, yeah.

630
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tristram cary: But I'm always confused about this, because I thought that overall, the amount of water that rains on Britain is not diminishing, it's just coming in more bursts, so more of it gets wasted, because it goes down the rivers and can't get into the aquifer.

631
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Alastair boyd: Yeah, in 76, we had the similar we're getting now.

632
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Alastair boyd: And the normal waterfall is about 270… 272 mil.

633
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Alastair boyd: And we had it for the whole year, but the distribution was totally different.

634
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tristram cary: Yeah.

635
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tristram cary: So… so theoretically, if we could… if we could stop that running away, we'd be… we'd be okay for water.

636
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Alastair boyd: Yeah, but there's the… the water company down here, they've had a plan for about… planned for 30 years to take water from North Kent, on the River Stour, and they haven't done it.

637
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Alastair boyd: And now they're frantically trying to do it.

638
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\
Alastair boyd: plus the fact the mains sewage works at Ashford drops nitrogen and phosphate in the river.

639
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\
Alastair boyd: which has caused an SSI up… further up the coast to bloom.

640
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\
Alastair boyd: So they've been stopped putting any foul water in there, which has stopped the houses being occupied. So they've now started to put in another sewage work that pumps… would pump it into another river that's clean and SSI as well. So, it's all manic. It's manic. It's manic. It's manic.

641
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, Asher, have you seen the People's Emergency Briefing video?

642
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\
Alastair boyd: Nope.

643
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\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, well, I highly commend it to you, because you're actually the first live person I've seen who is experiencing all the things that this film is

644
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00:48:44.770 --> 00:48:54.530
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Saying are happening. And, you know, a large number of people shake their heads and say, it's never going to happen to me, and here you are saying it's happening right now.

645
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\
Alastair boyd: It's happening worldwide, isn't it?

646
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00:48:56.560 --> 00:48:59.140
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, it is, but the message isn't getting through.

647
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\
Alastair boyd: Well…

648
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00:49:00.010 --> 00:49:00.870
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: So…

649
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00:49:00.870 --> 00:49:03.129
\
Alastair boyd: Everybody's very comfortable at the moment.

650
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00:49:03.130 --> 00:49:11.109
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I suggest you Google People's Emergency Briefing, and you can get a free copy. It's a free copy of the video, you can just download it.

651
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\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it's… we've been showing it to all our parishioners, because it's too important not to.

652
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\
Alastair boyd: Yeah.

653
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\
Alastair boyd: Well, I've, I've set up a, we're just doing a resilience plan for the parish council.

654
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\
Alastair boyd: And, I went to the Kent Association Local Council for the Asheville area, and I said to them, how many are doing it? Nobody's doing it.

655
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\
Alastair boyd: But I've also… we've also extended that to cover not only just resilience for normal things, but also war.

656
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00:49:43.390 --> 00:49:48.270
\
Alastair boyd: Because that… that could well be coming. We're at war, actually at war now, in a sort of…

657
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00:49:48.410 --> 00:49:49.840
\
Alastair boyd: mine away.

658
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\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Cool.

659
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00:49:51.520 --> 00:49:55.580
\
Alastair boyd: But, yeah, otherwise, what does your parish…

660
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00:49:55.790 --> 00:49:58.920
\
Alastair boyd: Captain Manoring to take over, or what happens?

661
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00:50:01.520 --> 00:50:18.990
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I think that there are… and that's what I was talking before you joined, about how reassuring it is talking to people across the country, because there are lots of ideas, and they just need to be put into practice. So, there's a Finnish company called Solar Food, do you know about them?

662
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\
Alastair boyd: Nope.

663
\
00:50:19.940 --> 00:50:24.000
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Oh, look up solofoods.com, because it's absolutely mind-boggling.

664
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00:50:26.630 --> 00:50:34.049
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I think it's probably the way we're all going to have to go, because there is, as you say, there's no option.

665
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\
tristram cary: dot com.

666
\
00:50:36.690 --> 00:50:38.680
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Soapfoods.com, yeah.

667
\
00:50:39.650 --> 00:50:52.240
\
Alastair boyd: You see, there's some, tunnels in London which have been made redundant, which they are doing that, food or plants in those things hydroponically and with artificial light.

668
\
00:50:52.540 --> 00:50:56.760
\
Alastair boyd: You can make, grass for cattle that way.

669
\
00:50:56.990 --> 00:51:03.660
\
Alastair boyd: But when you've got, like, 100-odd, 200-odd cattle, it'll be mighty busy, or it's gonna be mighty busy growing.

670
\
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:17.639
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, the Solo Foods website, you'll see, is saying that you're comparing how much energy it takes to create food their way, and how much it takes to create it through a cow. And of course, the cow is a lot more inefficient.

671
\
00:51:18.530 --> 00:51:22.600
\
Alastair boyd: Yeah, but you can put crap into a cow, something good comes out the other end.

672
\
00:51:27.130 --> 00:51:27.680
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yes.

673
\
00:51:27.680 --> 00:51:35.750
\
Alastair boyd: In the same way as you go and look at these, vegan foods in a supermarket, if you looked on the back of the packet and see what they put in it.

674
\
00:51:35.750 --> 00:51:36.180
\
Retired Clerk: Great.

675
\
00:51:36.180 --> 00:51:37.479
\
Alastair boyd: make it even edible.

676
\
00:51:38.070 --> 00:51:42.919
\
Alastair boyd: My father says you can always make something out of, tile and old boots if you get the right mixture.

677
\
00:51:46.650 --> 00:51:56.240
\
tristram cary: But I wonder, with hydroponic food growing under controlled conditions, I imagine you… the water… you need much less water, and you can recycle the water.

678
\
00:51:57.130 --> 00:52:04.259
\
Alastair boyd: I think… well, I must admit, I'm doing my Tabor's in the garage. I've got 5 sheep troughs.

679
\
00:52:04.540 --> 00:52:06.890
\
Alastair boyd: And I put a fizz for 2 in the bottom.

680
\
00:52:07.180 --> 00:52:09.780
\
Alastair boyd: And putting, some of this,

681
\
00:52:10.740 --> 00:52:15.479
\
Alastair boyd: Fabric which absorbs water, conveys water, and put it up into the pots.

682
\
00:52:15.700 --> 00:52:17.589
\
Alastair boyd: And that's how I grew my tomatoes.

683
\
00:52:17.850 --> 00:52:20.750
\
Alastair boyd: So you've got a heck of a lot of tomatoes in a small space.

684
\
00:52:20.750 --> 00:52:21.410
\
tristram cary: Yeah.

685
\
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:26.030
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And where's the sunshine come from, indeed?

686
\
00:52:26.390 --> 00:52:28.149
\
Alastair boyd: This comes from the sun.

687
\
00:52:28.150 --> 00:52:29.929
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I mean, there are…

688
\
00:52:29.930 --> 00:52:30.790
\
Alastair boyd: Greenhouse, greenhouse.

689
\
00:52:30.790 --> 00:52:34.069
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: I thought I heard you say the trots are in your garage, but maybe I don'.

690
\
00:52:34.070 --> 00:52:36.970
\
Alastair boyd: You know, the troughs are in my greenhouse.

691
\
00:52:36.970 --> 00:52:39.089
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: greenhouse, okay, this is better.

692
\
00:52:40.820 --> 00:52:42.650
\
Alastair boyd: 10-foot trough just fits in.

693
\
00:52:47.540 --> 00:52:48.609
\
tristram cary: It's scary.

694
\
00:52:48.610 --> 00:52:50.629
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: There's a… a…

695
\
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:57.989
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: an institution near us called the Garlic Farm, which is a sort of a famed either white tourist attraction.

696
\
00:52:58.190 --> 00:53:05.630
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they, have a nearby neighbor who started up what he calls the Worm Factory.

697
\
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:16.649
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And, the garlic farm took the first worm factory to be built, which comes with all… turns 1,000 worms into 10,000 worms, and then they…

698
\
00:53:16.780 --> 00:53:20.850
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: M… Extract the, worm casts.

699
\
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:27.609
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And add it with water and make a sort of a tea, and then they sprinkle the tea over their garlic.

700
\
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:32.829
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And they saw a 30% increase in productivity, which was just mind-boggling.

701
\
00:53:33.190 --> 00:53:38.139
\
Alastair boyd: There's a farmer near us, his… the son came home, and he went into worm farming.

702
\
00:53:39.040 --> 00:53:39.720
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: D.

703
\
00:53:39.720 --> 00:53:41.600
\
Alastair boyd: Yeah, they did it 2 or 3 years.

704
\
00:53:41.870 --> 00:53:44.229
\
Alastair boyd: But I don't… I think he's given that up.

705
\
00:53:44.990 --> 00:53:48.730
\
Alastair boyd: But that's the worms, not the worm cast, that's actually worms.

706
\
00:53:50.970 --> 00:53:54.459
\
Alastair boyd: But they exported the water he did for the worms, I don't know, but…

707
\
00:53:56.180 --> 00:54:13.419
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, this is an example near us that is actually working, and they found that one worm factory was enough to do 100 acres of garlic farm, and now they've bought two more, because they're going to turn their spare ground into market gardens.

708
\
00:54:13.570 --> 00:54:20.480
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: For the very reason that we've all been talking, that you can't get the stuff anywhere else, so you have to build it and grow it yourself.

709
\
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:24.170
\
tristram cary: Sorry, he's using the worms to improve the soil. What's he doing with the worms?

710
\
00:54:24.170 --> 00:54:25.289
\
Alastair boyd: No, the worm casts.

711
\
00:54:25.290 --> 00:54:26.189
\
Retired Clerk: worm cast.

712
\
00:54:27.090 --> 00:54:33.579
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So you… you catch the product from the worm and, turn it into, basically, fertilizer.

713
\
00:54:33.580 --> 00:54:34.760
\
tristram cary: Per collaboration.

714
\
00:54:36.190 --> 00:54:53.200
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: But she says that they're also seeing a major improvement in the quality of the soil. The soil over here is extremely tired, it's been worked, you know, agriculture worked for years and years and years, and now it needs to be refurbishing, if you will. And the worm…

715
\
00:54:53.640 --> 00:54:56.219
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Output is doing just that.

716
\
00:54:57.090 --> 00:55:04.290
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it's a whole, virtuous circle, so they have a restaurant which produces lots of food waste.

717
\
00:55:04.410 --> 00:55:10.729
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And the food waste that is not from people's plates. In other words, you know, that,

718
\
00:55:10.930 --> 00:55:12.400
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: that.

719
\
00:55:13.460 --> 00:55:14.210
\
Retired Clerk: That's true.

720
\
00:55:14.210 --> 00:55:21.789
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: The pairings, yeah, exactly, the vegetables, the left sleeves, and so forth. And they stick all that into a rotary digester.

721
\
00:55:22.120 --> 00:55:32.869
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And your idea of turning it once or twice a day, Alastair, is what they do, and that so gradually, over the period of a week, it sends it through to the other end, and then that goes and feeds the worms.

722
\
00:55:33.080 --> 00:55:37.819
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: who just thrive on it, they love it. And, so the whole lot is…

723
\
00:55:37.990 --> 00:55:40.399
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Going round and round and round in a circle.

724
\
00:55:40.600 --> 00:55:41.190
\
Alastair boyd: Hmm.

725
\
00:55:41.720 --> 00:55:42.809
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it works.

726
\
00:55:42.810 --> 00:55:46.840
\
Alastair boyd: You really need to appreciate the soil isn't just soil.

727
\
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:49.940
\
Alastair boyd: It's a living organism, if you don't look after it, or…

728
\
00:55:50.210 --> 00:55:53.860
\
Alastair boyd: deteriorate until you've got nothing. Look at the… look at the American West.

729
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00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:54.720
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yup.

730
\
00:55:54.720 --> 00:55:57.169
\
Alastair boyd: It kept taking and taking and taking.

731
\
00:55:57.460 --> 00:55:58.460
\
tristram cary: Oklahoma.

732
\
00:55:58.460 --> 00:56:04.000
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, they had that whole decimal problem, didn't they, in the 30s? And now they're still doing it,

733
\
00:56:04.550 --> 00:56:08.909
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And I think this… that's that wonderful program, Six Inches of Soil.

734
\
00:56:09.610 --> 00:56:10.270
\
Alastair boyd: Yep.

735
\
00:56:10.270 --> 00:56:11.920
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which is brilliant.

736
\
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:17.029
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Which is doing exactly what you were saying, that it isn't just soil, it's a whole…

737
\
00:56:17.750 --> 00:56:21.199
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Eco Group, or whatever you want to call it.

738
\
00:56:21.850 --> 00:56:23.150
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: ecosystem.

739
\
00:56:23.540 --> 00:56:24.210
\
Alastair boyd: Excuse me.

740
\
00:56:24.210 --> 00:56:25.679
\
tristram cary: So I was on a film.

741
\
00:56:25.680 --> 00:56:31.429
\
Alastair boyd: I think if you can see worms in your… in numbers in your soil, You're… you're still with it.

742
\
00:56:31.620 --> 00:56:38.260
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Yeah. So, yeah, 6 Inches of soil, if you Google it, Tristram, you can… you view it for yourself for free.

743
\
00:56:38.540 --> 00:56:39.240
\
tristram cary: Right.

744
\
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:43.880
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And it's not short, it's about 90 minutes.

745
\
00:56:46.610 --> 00:56:56.260
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And just whilst we're on the subject of old films, I'm going to see this evening, The Age of Stupid. Does that ring any bells for people?

746
\
00:56:57.200 --> 00:57:04.479
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, apparently, it's another hour and 20 minutes film made several years ago by Pete Parcelquade.

747
\
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:19.669
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: As a star character, and it… basically, it projects you forward to the year 2055, and they're looking back at 2008, and they're saying there were all the signs that you were going to crash the planet. Why didn't you do anything about it?

748
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00:57:19.670 --> 00:57:20.630
\
tristram cary: What's it called?

749
\
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:22.970
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: The age of stupid.

750
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00:57:22.970 --> 00:57:23.680
\
tristram cary: It's just stupid.

751
\
00:57:23.680 --> 00:57:25.000
\
Retired Clerk: Okay, stupid.

752
\
00:57:25.810 --> 00:57:27.219
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: with Pete Brusselsweet.

753
\
00:57:27.220 --> 00:57:28.379
\
tristram cary: Yeah, I like him.

754
\
00:57:30.560 --> 00:57:33.679
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: So, and that's on YouTube, you can just get that.

755
\
00:57:33.780 --> 00:57:37.840
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: And 16 inches of sword, I really do recommend that one.

756
\
00:57:38.160 --> 00:57:39.380
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: It's fantastic.

757
\
00:57:42.150 --> 00:57:44.080
\
tristram cary: Well, I think I might go and slip my throat.

758
\
00:57:47.410 --> 00:57:50.709
\
Alastair boyd: Unfortunately, we won't be around to clear up the mess.

759
\
00:57:50.950 --> 00:57:51.750
\
Retired Clerk: Good.

760
\
00:57:55.200 --> 00:57:57.540
\
tristram cary: Ugh, what a world.

761
\
00:57:58.460 --> 00:58:02.859
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Well, I'm gonna go even see what a Swiss supermarket can offer for dinner.

762
\
00:58:05.520 --> 00:58:06.580
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: I think it's.

763
\
00:58:06.580 --> 00:58:07.989
\
tristram cary: It's about to…

764
\
00:58:07.990 --> 00:58:09.229
\
Graham Stoddart-Stones: Mushrooms, strawberry.

765
\
00:58:09.230 --> 00:58:11.290
\
tristram cary: Trump's allowed to withdraw from Europe again.

766
\
00:58:11.940 --> 00:58:12.850
\
Retired Clerk: Right.

767
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00:58:14.070 --> 00:58:18.460
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Gentlemen, thank you all very much for your time. I really appreciate your showing up.

768
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00:58:19.190 --> 00:58:23.660
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: And Tristan, it makes all the difference to have you to throw bricks and bats at.

769
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00:58:24.580 --> 00:58:25.850
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tristram cary: That's funny.

770
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00:58:25.850 --> 00:58:28.030
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: Austin, thanks for joining us.

771
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00:58:28.660 --> 00:58:30.560
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Graham Stoddart-Stones: We used to face reality.

772
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00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:33.650
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Retired Clerk: Did you have a problem.

773
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Alastair boyd: item.

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